Register a SA Forums Account here!
JOINING THE SA FORUMS WILL REMOVE THIS BIG AD, THE ANNOYING UNDERLINED ADS, AND STUPID INTERSTITIAL ADS!!!

You can: log in, read the tech support FAQ, or request your lost password. This dumb message (and those ads) will appear on every screen until you register! Get rid of this crap by registering your own SA Forums Account and joining roughly 150,000 Goons, for the one-time price of $9.95! We charge money because it costs us money per month for bills, and since we don't believe in showing ads to our users, we try to make the money back through forum registrations.
 
Skutter
Apr 8, 2007

Well you can fuck that sky high!



the_psychologist posted:

Oh deary me.

I just got done watching The Human Centipede.

I must say, it's a real goddamn horror movie, not just an exercise in shock gore. The killer is also a truly classic character, played with much gusto. In general, the movie takes itself seriously, so don't be fooled into thinking it's comedy like Dead Alive or Evil Dead II. THC will leave the room quiet after it's over. Great final shot, too. Most horror movies wish they had 1/2 the impact of this one.

Ugh.

My friends and I saw a midnight showing of it last night and I can say that it was one of the few horror movies I've seen that wasn't just "Oh look at how gory and gross this is, isn't that scary?" and was actually psychologically disturbing. There were several scenes where you wanted to look away, not because it was gross, but because it was actually that terrifying and crazy. It was very serious too, but the movie matched the seriousness I believe, so it didn't seem...egotistical? Overwrought? Like you mentioned, there were a few plot holes, but they weren't that big and didn't take me out of the movie (the glass of water, seriously?).

This is definitely not for everyone, even if you are a horror movie fan. It's so different from all the horror movies I've seen, which is both good and bad. I can see how a lot of people haven't heard of this, because it doesn't really have a specific audience. Did anyone read Roger Ebert's review of this movie? It's like he was daring you to see it. He also refused to give it a star rating; just think on that for a moment. My favorite quote from the review is:

quote:

I am required to award stars to movies I review. This time, I refuse to do it. The star rating system is unsuited to this film. Is the movie good? Is it bad? Does it matter? It is what it is and occupies a world where the stars don't shine.

Adbot
ADBOT LOVES YOU

Keanu Grieves
Dec 30, 2002

Skutter posted:

:words:
Ebert never loses the capacity to pleasantly surprise me. I thought for sure he would give The Human Centipede an overwhelmingly negative review, but he does give the film some guarded praise for certain elements.

It's definitely an interesting review.

Namirsolo
Jan 20, 2009

Like that, babe?

bad movie knight posted:

As far as rape->revenge movies go, I can think of a couple that are way more effective simply because they imply more than they show when it comes to the rape. I Spit on Your Grave brutalizes its characters so much the filmmakers become complicit in the fictional rape, i.e. it seems as if they're getting off on it...and that's when I can no longer stand a rape scene, much less four of them back to back that go on for 50 minutes.

I agree with this. I'm pretty squeamish when it comes to rape in movies, but I respect that it should be represented since art represents life and all of that. However, when it becomes completely and utterly exploitative and pornographic- that's when I can't stand it anymore. Honestly, this is how I feel about violence (even in horror films). It's not so much what is happening as it is how the filmmakers treat it.

For instance, yes, they often are very gruesome deaths in horror movies that I approve of. However, these deaths are usually short. The scene is over in seconds and it's not dwelled on for minutes at a time. A movie becomes "torture porn" when it's no longer about the fact that someone is going to be killed, but that they are literally tortured on screen and the audience is apparently supposed to take some kind of pleasure in it. Movies which fit this description to me are Last House on the Left (the rape), I Spit on Your Grave, and High Tension.

Incidentally, I love Saw and Saw II and don't believe either of them fit what I'm talking about. Most of the "torture" is implied. The series started to jump the shark in III when it actually did start to linger on the suffering of the victims.

JammyLammy
Dec 23, 2009
Just got done watching Cabin Fever, that was good. Was expecting a gorier movie with the way everyone was going on about it. Fun ending, though should have expected that what was going to happen.


Is Cabin Fever 2 any good? Or just a shameless money grab?

Blast Fantasto
Sep 18, 2007

USAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!

JammyLammy posted:

Just got done watching Cabin Fever, that was good. Was expecting a gorier movie with the way everyone was going on about it. Fun ending, though should have expected that what was going to happen.


Is Cabin Fever 2 any good? Or just a shameless money grab?

It was basically created to be a shameless money grab, then directed by someone who wanted to make it something cool, then cut and edited so much that it's a complete train wreck.


Not the entertaining kind of train wreck.

Ride The Gravitron
May 2, 2008

by FactsAreUseless

the_psychologist posted:

Oh deary me.

I just got done watching The Human Centipede.

I must say, it's a real goddamn horror movie, not just an exercise in shock gore. The killer is also a truly classic character, played with much gusto. In general, the movie takes itself seriously, so don't be fooled into thinking it's comedy like Dead Alive or Evil Dead II. THC will leave the room quiet after it's over. Great final shot, too. Most horror movies wish they had 1/2 the impact of this one.

Ugh.

I can't agree with this more. THC is the horror movie of the year. I was actually quite surprised at the lack of gore in this one. It really made the few bits of gore The Human Centipede ripping apart as they go up the stairs really stand out that much more.

Keanu Grieves
Dec 30, 2002

JammyLammy posted:

Is Cabin Fever 2 any good? Or just a shameless money grab?

Blast Fantasto posted:

It was basically created to be a shameless money grab, then directed by someone who wanted to make it something cool, then cut and edited so much that it's a complete train wreck.


Not the entertaining kind of train wreck.
I disagree. I gave it 2/4, but it's recommended for any fan of truly creepy-crawly lo-fi special effects and makes bad movies, intentional or otherwise, into an art form. Plus, judging by the poor reception of his two films before Cabin Fever 2, painting Ti West as an Alan Smithee type is probably a P.R. move in the wake of The House of the Devil, his first genuinely good film.

Even if all the elements of Cabin Fever 2 were reconfigured, the nuts and bolts of the actual filmmaking -- everything from the camera work to the color of blood -- just smacks of badmovieitis.

Here's hoping West continues to make movies like The House of the Devil, though. I initially gave it a lukewarm review, but the more I revisit it (and I revisit it frequently), the more I see the genius in what he accomplished. It's so rare these days that a horror movie can function both as a parody of/homage to the genre while simultaneously retaining its tension, and The House of the Devil does both wonderfully.

Also, be sure and watch the special features on Cabin Fever 2. They went to a lot of work to make some of the most gruesome poo poo imaginable, and even if they were limited to their budget, it's pretty awesome to see them do it, setting up prostheses and using literal gallons of blood in just one scene.

DrVenkman
Dec 28, 2005

I think he can hear you, Ray.
Cabin Fever 2 is fine. It has some great moments to it but there's still some glaring issues (The whole end coda might've pissed off Ti West, but his actual ending is hugely underwhelming). The moments of gore are fantastic though and as an unashamed fan of 'Prom Night' it was great to spot the many references to it.

Slasherfan
Dec 2, 2003
IS IT WRONG THAT I ONCE WROTE A HORROR STORY ABOUT THE BUDDIES? YOU KNOW, THE TALKING PUPPIES?

bad movie knight posted:



Here's hoping West continues to make movies like The House of the Devil, though. I initially gave it a lukewarm review, but the more I revisit it (and I revisit it frequently), the more I see the genius in what he accomplished. It's so rare these days that a horror movie can function both as a parody of/homage to the genre while simultaneously retaining its tension, and The House of the Devil does both wonderfully.


I think West got his Decade wrong for House Of The Devil, seemed more like a 70s movie then an 80s one (Think Burnt Offerings).

Keanu Grieves
Dec 30, 2002

Slasherfan posted:

I think West got his Decade wrong for House Of The Devil, seemed more like a 70s movie then an 80s one (Think Burnt Offerings).
Yeah but the Satanic panic is dead-on '80s.

Slasherfan
Dec 2, 2003
IS IT WRONG THAT I ONCE WROTE A HORROR STORY ABOUT THE BUDDIES? YOU KNOW, THE TALKING PUPPIES?
Colin Farrell has been cast in the Fright Night remake.

http://www.dreadcentral.com/news/37446/dreamworks-adds-colin-farrell-and-toni-collette-fright-night

JammyLammy
Dec 23, 2009
Watching the show "Fear Itself" and it is terrible :( I'm trying to put my finger on why, it has some of the same people who worked on Master of Horror and that was good (especially the later episodes/season).

Is it just impossible to make something horror based but safe for tv? That shouldn't be right though, horror shouldn't just have to rely on blood and gore shots for a R-rating, but everytime I see a horror movie/show with a pg or pg-13 rating, it just seems to suck.

edit: I guess the intro part is alright, not as good as Master of Horror though. :\

JammyLammy fucked around with this message at 01:19 on May 12, 2010

weekly font
Dec 1, 2004


Everytime I try to fly I fall
Without my wings
I feel so small
Guess I need you baby...



I just saw House of the Devil. Good movie, loved how it was shot. Really enjoyed just how eighties it was. But once the proverbial poo poo hit the fan it actually got a lot worse. It had a great build up and atmosphere, then a bunch of stuff happened at once and the climax was minimal. Plus, do they really expect me to believe bitch lived through a gunshot wound that went right through her skull with a gun that literally blew a girl's face off from that range an hour before?

penismightier
Dec 6, 2005

What the hell, I'll just eat some trash.

I'll never understand what happened to House of the Devil. It's like another, shittier director took over for the last act.

Schlitzkrieg Bop
Sep 19, 2005

I felt it ran into the same problem 98% of horror/suspense films do, in that the buildup is always much better than the payoff. Luckily for House of the Devil, the mediocre final act takes up a pretty small part of the running time and everything leading up to it is phenomenal. The movie also got me to like "One Thing Leads to Another," when I never really cared about the song before.

sursumdeorsum
Jan 10, 2010

Kentucky Shark posted:

The movie also got me to like "One Thing Leads to Another," when I never really cared about the song before.



me too! I had never heard it before but ever since I saw House Of The Devil I just picture the lead jamming out to it with her walkman, and the song is now one of my favorite 80s songs.

I agree with everyone else though..the first half was great, climaxing with the friend getting her head blown off. From that point on it was all downhill. Still a decent flick though.

the_psychologist
Jul 28, 2004
~~Bush is a Dick.....Cheney~~
The Human Centipede is starting to creep into the mainstream!

http://www.cnn.com/2010/SHOWBIZ/Movies/05/10/centipede.torture.movie/index.html?hpt=T2

Zahki
Nov 7, 2004

My favorite part of The Human Centipede was when The german doctor introduces himself to his victims and says "I'm Josef...'Heigel'" with a big cheesy wink to the camera

Keanu Grieves
Dec 30, 2002

the_psychologist posted:

The Human Centipede is starting to creep into the mainstream!

http://www.cnn.com/2010/SHOWBIZ/Movies/05/10/centipede.torture.movie/index.html?hpt=T2
Oh CNN, how could you give The Human Centipede that headline the same year Serbian Film hits theaters? You're always one step behind. In politics. In movies. In everything.

RIP CNN.

wormil
Sep 12, 2002

Hulk will smoke you!

bad movie knight posted:

Oh CNN, how could you give The Human Centipede that headline the same year Serbian Film hits theaters? You're always one step behind. In politics. In movies. In everything.

RIP CNN.

I don't know, when everyone is only talking about a single scene in a movie it tends to make me think the movie just inserted a random shocking scene for the sake of publicity.

Keanu Grieves
Dec 30, 2002

wormil posted:

I don't know, when everyone is only talking about a single scene in a movie it tends to make me think the movie just inserted a random shocking scene for the sake of publicity.
And what scene is that?

The Anime Liker
Aug 8, 2009

by VideoGames

bad movie knight posted:

And what scene is that?

The dance number.

wormil
Sep 12, 2002

Hulk will smoke you!

bad movie knight posted:

And what scene is that?

You brought up Serbian Film so I thought you were familiar with it.

The raping the newborn baby to death scene.

Keanu Grieves
Dec 30, 2002

wormil posted:

You brought up Serbian Film so I thought you were familiar with it.

The raping the newborn baby to death scene.
I'm pretty sure that's just the most hosed-up scene, but from what I've read, Serbian Film is not short on scenes that are hosed up. It's not just some intense drama that ends with baby rape. Baby rape just happens to be the only shocking ending left after you've hacked women to death with a machete mid-coitus, knocked out a woman's teeth and forced her to perform fellatio, and received a blowjob while staring at pictures of an 8-year-old girl.

wormil
Sep 12, 2002

Hulk will smoke you!

bad movie knight posted:

...but from what I've read, Serbian Film is not short on scenes that are hosed up.

I wouldn't know because everything I've read about the movie only talks about the previously mentioned scene. The rest of the movie could be about gardening for all I know (well except that you just said otherwise). I haven't seen either movie yet but just from reading, Human Centipede seems like it attempts to be something other than a string of offensive images while Serbian Film doesn't.

Ride The Gravitron
May 2, 2008

by FactsAreUseless

bad movie knight posted:

Oh CNN, how could you give The Human Centipede that headline the same year Serbian Film hits theaters? You're always one step behind. In politics. In movies. In everything.

RIP CNN.

Seriously gently caress this article. It basically reduces THC to nothing but torture porn. Now I'm not gonna say this film is deep or moving or anything like that but it's not a torture porn or even an exploitation film. The film really is more of an emotional horror then a gore flick.

atrus50
Dec 24, 2008

bad movie knight posted:

I'm pretty sure that's just the most hosed-up scene, but from what I've read, Serbian Film is not short on scenes that are hosed up. It's not just some intense drama that ends with baby rape. Baby rape just happens to be the only shocking ending left after you've hacked women to death with a machete mid-coitus, knocked out a woman's teeth and forced her to perform fellatio, and received a blowjob while staring at pictures of an 8-year-old girl.


haha on the contrary baby rape. Baby rape happens first and then it all goes downhill from there

Keanu Grieves
Dec 30, 2002

atrus50 posted:

haha on the contrary baby rape. Baby rape happens first and then it all goes downhill from there
I stand baby raped corrected regarding the baby-raping placement of the baby rape within Serbian baby rape Film's baby-raping narbaby raperative.

Barometer
Sep 23, 2007

You travelled a long way for
"I don't know", sonny.
:whip: :cthulhu: :shivdurf:

I just tried to cut my screen thanks to that post, BMK! :haw:

God, I wish something good or at least positive would come out of Serbia again, so I could feel proud of my heritage instead of awfully ashamed. I can't think of any reason on Earth that will lead me to watch this movie.

Keanu Grieves
Dec 30, 2002

Barometer posted:

I just tried to cut my screen thanks to that post, BMK! :haw:

God, I wish something good or at least positive would come out of Serbia again, so I could feel proud of my heritage instead of awfully ashamed. I can't think of any reason on Earth that will lead me to watch this movie.
As I said in the Serbian Film thread, if the filmmakers are being honest about their intentions, then I applaud the audacity of the film, even if I probably won't be able to bring myself to watch it. It's in the Saved section of my Netflix queue, but I have a feeling it'll be hanging out toward the bottom until I feel ready for that kind of brain rape.

Defleshed
Nov 18, 2004

F is for... FREEDOM

JammyLammy posted:

Watching the show "Fear Itself" and it is terrible :( I'm trying to put my finger on why, it has some of the same people who worked on Master of Horror and that was good (especially the later episodes/season).

Is it just impossible to make something horror based but safe for tv? That shouldn't be right though, horror shouldn't just have to rely on blood and gore shots for a R-rating, but everytime I see a horror movie/show with a pg or pg-13 rating, it just seems to suck.

edit: I guess the intro part is alright, not as good as Master of Horror though. :\

There were a couple decent episodes in Season 1 (is there even a Season 2?). But it is certainly no Master of Horror. I liked the one where the woman was a zombie and she didn't know it yet, even though I guessed what was going on about 5 minutes in, and the one where the three brothers run into those sisters in the woods taking care of the vampire was OK. The rest were pretty awful though.

It can be hard to do anthology horror right on Network TV. "Monsters" and the first couple seasons of "Tales from the Darkside" did a pretty good job though.

bad movie knight posted:

I really liked the Brad Anderson-directed episode with the P.I. haunted by ghosts from his past, and Mary Harron's "Community." Haven't watched the rest though.

See both of those struck me more as "mysteries" than "horror". The above comparison to Goosebumps or Are you Afraid of the Dark is pretty apt, I think. Both the episodes you mention were well done from a technical standpoint I suppose I just didn't find think they were really what I would define as horror.

Defleshed fucked around with this message at 19:05 on May 12, 2010

Keanu Grieves
Dec 30, 2002

I really liked the Brad Anderson-directed episode with the P.I. haunted by ghosts from his past, and Mary Harron's "Community." Haven't watched the rest though.

InfiniteZero
Sep 11, 2004

PINK GUITAR FIRE ROBOT

College Slice

Volume posted:

Seriously gently caress this article. It basically reduces THC to nothing but torture porn.

Any horror film that has violence in it is now referred to as "torture porn", especially in the mainstream media. I loving hate that incredibly lazy label that people have attached to modern horror films. So many mainstream critics are completely dismissive of the genre, the last thing it needed was a quick and easy way to be dismissive by just tossing out a hackneyed term.

wormil
Sep 12, 2002

Hulk will smoke you!
I had no intention of watching Human Centipede, it's just not my thing, but with the publicity I decided to go ahead. Well, it's not a gross out film. I didn't find it particularly all that disturbing really. Maybe had I seen it when the idea was still fresh in my brain or maybe if I could have sympathized with the victims (they were really unlikable)... who knows. One thing I liked was the casting. Dieter Laser, what a name, was believable as a creepy mad doctor type. The cops looked like cops, the girls looked like ditsy American tourists, so they were good choices. Everything else about it was mediocre to poor. I didn't hate it but it was a novelty and I can say I saw it.



bad movie knight posted:

As I said in the Serbian Film thread, if the filmmakers are being honest about their intentions...

Would you mind summarizing the intentions?

FirstCongoWar
Aug 21, 2002

It feels so 80's or early 90's to be political.

wormil posted:

Would you mind summarizing the intentions?

They've said that they want to convey the feeling of living in Serbia through a film. Hence, Serbian Film.

XIII
Feb 11, 2009


I watched The Human Centipede today. I liked it, but it didn't really freak me out or scare me. I do wish I had waited til tonight to watch it. I think watching it alone and in the dark would have made it more effective.

Mr.Graves
Jul 23, 2007

by T. Finn
Watched Trick R Treat recently. I can't remember if it was suggested here earlier or not, but it is really good. Get your hands on it if you can, it's worth the watch.

Ape Agitator
Feb 19, 2004

Soylent Green is Monkeys
College Slice

Craig Spradlin posted:

I really liked The Killing Room - a low-key psychological horror film that went directly to video. Not sure why - it's got a great cast (Peter Stormare, Chloe Sevigny, Timothy Hutton, Clea DuVall), it's just bloody enough to be effective, and it's sharp and tense throughout - almost like Cube filmed in part from the perspective of the people running the experiment.

I agree that it's quite good and the comparison to Cube is apt if only because of how spare it is while also being high concept. It's also blessed with actors higher than the caliber of film it should be. Worth giving a watch even though I wouldn't think it appropriate for the "Gimmie Blood" thread.


I finally caught [Rec]2 and goddamn if it isn't in the running for the biggest bunch of retards to ever be in a horror movie. I mean, they're up there with the biggest set of dolts you've seen in the cheapest of 80s films. If you have no tolerance for characters being unjustifiably stupid stay far away.

That isn't the movie's only big problem. It also goes the route of explaining far too much and does so with a plot explanation that even the characters laugh at. The first was focused and spare and just hinted at stuff which was intriguing. Here, it's all laid out in a way that you just have to say "well when you say it like that it sounds pretty silly".

It does have some intentionally funny moments and some of their slight of hand moves to get gore in their extended shot first-person format were nifty but it's not really worth the effort to track down.

foodfight
Feb 10, 2009

Ape Agitator posted:

[Rec]2


Well that sucks.

Adbot
ADBOT LOVES YOU

Count Thrashula
Jun 1, 2003

Death is nothing compared to vindication.
Buglord

Mr.Graves posted:

Watched Trick R Treat recently. I can't remember if it was suggested here earlier or not, but it is really good. Get your hands on it if you can, it's worth the watch.

I think it was generally lauded when it came out, and I definitely agree.

  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5