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usually
Sep 9, 2004

e

usually fucked around with this message at 08:51 on Jul 19, 2011

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Casimir Radon
Aug 2, 2008


Lemmi Caution posted:

In the quotes file in the "secret ending" one of the developers jokes that since they have a couple months left before deadline they should put vehicles back in, and another quips that players should have a pretty good time driving them down all the hallways the game is made up of.
I love this so loving much.

Mozzie
Oct 26, 2007
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZjQJMp_ZG8

Iacen
Mar 19, 2009

Si vis pacem, para bellum



I guess this guy's head wasn't augmented:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MaUnFo5gVaA&feature=related

fuxxo
Feb 17, 2010

Fucking Pokemon, how do they Surf?
Does anyone have a list of all the shifter unique weapons and where you get them?

Angry Diplomat
Nov 7, 2009

Winner of the TSR Memorial Award for Excellence In Grogging
I discovered something very cool in Shifter: the Electrostatic Discharge aug is a lot more useful than it seems. Hitting bots in melee isn't really a brilliant idea most of the time, but the aug really starts to shine when you realize you can hit cameras and tripwire projectors to temporarily gently caress them up. This makes the stealthy approach vastly easier in some parts - you can just crouch down and give the low projectors a little tap to short them out, then creep silently through the now-flickering beams without triggering the alarm.

Lemon-Lime
Aug 6, 2009

fuxxo posted:

Does anyone have a list of all the shifter unique weapons and where you get them?

Check ten pages back.

Also, the guy who did Shifter apparently doesn't like the list being posted.

The Kins
Oct 2, 2004

Lemmi Caution posted:

In the quotes file in the "secret ending" one of the developers jokes that since they have a couple months left before deadline they should put vehicles back in, and another quips that players should have a pretty good time driving them down all the hallways the game is made up of.

quote:

Monte: “We have 16 weeks left...plenty of time.”
Harvey: “Let's add vehicles back in.”
Brian Glines: “That'd be pretty damned lame in our game, driving a car down a hallway.”

VAGENDA OF MANOCIDE
Aug 1, 2004

whoa, what just happened here?







College Slice

Tecman posted:

It's even funnier when you know that at some point in the development of the game, they were planning on revealing that JC was supposedly a direct descendant of Jesus Christ, but it just never made it into the game. :D

At least it would have predated The DaVinci Code

Male Man
Aug 16, 2008

Im, too sexy for your teatime
Too sexy for your teatime
That tea that you're just driiinkiing

fuxxo posted:

Does anyone have a list of all the shifter unique weapons and where you get them?

I'll make it a bit easier to find. Check my posts in this thread. The first list is a bit incomplete, so make sure you find the second: it should have every weapon, though there may be two instances of some that I didn't account for.

Fnoigy
Apr 9, 2007

I'm fine. Why do you ask?

Tecman posted:

It's even funnier when you know that at some point in the development of the game, they were planning on revealing that JC was supposedly a direct descendant of Jesus Christ, but it just never made it into the game. :D
I think that's too corny even for Deus Ex. Actually, wouldn't it mean Bob Page is actually the descendent, since the Dentons are clones of him? (I though I read earlier they were specifically clones of Page).

Bar Ran Dun
Jan 22, 2006




Fnoigy posted:

I think that's too corny even for Deus Ex. Actually, wouldn't it mean Bob Page is actually the descendent, since the Dentons are clones of him? (I though I read earlier they were specifically clones of Page).

It isn't really a stretch, It doesn't really go far enough frankly. Helios is a created Logos. JC is created Man. The merger is a created Jesus, the Logos/Man union. JC is not metaphorically Jesus. JC is Jesus.

Look at the conversation with the Morpheus AI in Everetts place. The "Question" , "Answer" structure, the traditional relationship between Philosophy (Question) and Theology (Answer). "You are the offspring of knowledge and imagination", that's "creative reason", (sometimes called, The Logos). The question of JC, "You are another type of question with another type of answer", is implied to have a theology answer.

I think from that point it can be interpreted in a couple of ways. You can have the a real prime mover Logos, creative reason, God having set in motion (the idea of Creator Spiritus) the created Logos "Helios" , created "man" JC union, the trinity answer.

Or you could have mankind finally having it's own "creative reason", with JC as the Übermensch. Created Man/Logos as the new source of values, created God when there was no God before.

arioch posted:

At least it would have predated The DaVinci Code

It's far more well thought out than the DaVinci Code.

Lemon-Lime
Aug 6, 2009

BrandorKP posted:

It's far more well thought out than the DaVinci Code.

Sonichu is better thought out than the da Vinci Code.

Male Man
Aug 16, 2008

Im, too sexy for your teatime
Too sexy for your teatime
That tea that you're just driiinkiing

Fnoigy posted:

I think that's too corny even for Deus Ex. Actually, wouldn't it mean Bob Page is actually the descendent, since the Dentons are clones of him? (I though I read earlier they were specifically clones of Page).

JC's a clone of Paul. Paul was naturally born, although his parents' relationship (possibly also his grandparents' and even his great-grandparents') was manipulated by secret societies to produce someone genetically predisposed to augmentation.

The genetic records to accomplish this were gathered during the application of the smallpox vaccine. The Deus Ex Bible is awesome.

CAPTAIN SHIT
Mar 10, 2001

guff

Male Man posted:

JC's a clone of Paul. Paul was naturally born, although his parents' relationship (possibly also his grandparents' and even his great-grandparents') was manipulated by secret societies to produce someone genetically predisposed to augmentation.

The genetic records to accomplish this were gathered during the application of the smallpox vaccine. The Deus Ex Bible is awesome.

Is that actually how it's supposed to go? Everything in game indicates the Dentons came from the area 51 tanks and that they have more spares available still.

Luigi Thirty
Apr 30, 2006

Emergency confection port.

CAPTAIN poo poo posted:

Is that actually how it's supposed to go? Everything in game indicates the Dentons came from the area 51 tanks and that they have more spares available still.

"Hey, this tank says Alex Denton! I bet this game's gonna have an awesome sequel!" --Everyone, 2000

Hard Clumping
Mar 19, 2008

Y'ALL BREADY
FOR THIS

Luigi Thirty posted:

"Hey, this tank says Alex Denton! I bet this game's gonna have an awesome sequel!" --Everyone, 2000

GET OUT OF MY HEAD

SeanBeansShako
Nov 20, 2009

Now the Drums beat up again,
For all true Soldier Gentlemen.

Luigi Thirty posted:

"Hey, this tank says Alex Denton! I bet this game's gonna have an awesome sequel!" --Everyone, 2000

Said awesome sequal crashed on me three times today. Thank god I save every couple of minutes.

Seriously, they should have used those sixteen extra weeks to make the game suck less.

Zeerust
May 1, 2008

They must have guessed, once or twice - guessed and refused to believe - that everything, always, collectively, had been moving toward that purified shape latent in the sky, that shape of no surprise, no second chance, no return.
Thanks to reading this thread and wanting to give Biomod a try I ended up finally sorting out my PayPal so I could buy this off Steam to reinstall it. I have a physical copy, but it would've been another couple of weeks before I could get my hands on it and the appeal of a digital copy was far too strong.

Now I've managed to run into the problem every time I play this game, or any RPG for that matter; restarting every couple of hours to try a new build. I started wanting to do a Solid Snake no-encounter rule but that changed quickly into a psychotic Rambo stealth murderer approach. Then I decided that I wanted to do another pistol specialist. Now I'm back to ghosting it and I WILL stick with it, god drat it.

Pope Guilty
Nov 6, 2006

The human animal is a beautiful and terrible creature, capable of limitless compassion and unfathomable cruelty.

Male Man posted:

The Deus Ex Bible is awesome.

Any idea where it's at? It doesn't appear to be on Gamespy anymore.

xX_WEED_GOKU_Xx
Apr 30, 2010

by Ozma

Pope Guilty posted:

Any idea where it's at? It doesn't appear to be on Gamespy anymore.

Part 1
Part 2
Part 3

SeanBeansShako
Nov 20, 2009

Now the Drums beat up again,
For all true Soldier Gentlemen.
That Bible is awesome. Never knew JC was a clone of Paul. Thought they were biological brothers.

Also, speaking of JC Invisible War JC doesn't wear sunglasses or have his hair long at the back. The gently caress?

AXE COP
Apr 16, 2010

i always feel like

somebody's watching me

Cool Hand Leukemia posted:

Part 1
Part 2
Part 3

Wow, reading the interviews there makes you realise how cobbled together the plot was.

Lemon-Lime
Aug 6, 2009

SeanBeansShako posted:

Also, speaking of JC Invisible War JC doesn't wear sunglasses or have his hair long at the back. The gently caress?

Vision. Augmented.

Sanctum
Feb 14, 2005

Property was their religion
A church for one
Is there a mod for deus ex that gives energy regeneration?

I get that I'm meant to use my augs conservatively, and having a limited energy supply enforces that. I'd just like a nice 10 energy/min regen so I don't have to worry about hording energy cells for later levels and backtracking to repair bots and all that silly stuff that could easily be replaced with slow energy regeneration and no scrounging.

Also I picked run silent because I wanted to be stealthy and I think that was a mistake. :(

Spaz Medicine
Feb 22, 2008

Sanctum posted:

Also I picked run silent because I wanted to be stealthy and I think that was a mistake. :(

Run silent is pretty much pointless. You can crouch to make your footsteps silent and turn on the fast movement aug to get yourself moving at a normal speed.

You're not screwed or anything, though. Its still useful.

ate shit on live tv
Feb 15, 2004

by Azathoth

Spaz Medicine posted:

Run silent is pretty much pointless. You can crouch to make your footsteps silent and turn on the fast movement aug to get yourself moving at a normal speed.

You're not screwed or anything, though. Its still useful.

Yuo move 50% slower run-crouching even with lvl4 speed running then you do with run silent. Run Silent is the "pro" stealth way to play, while speed-running with dragon tooth is probably the most fun.

K8.0
Feb 26, 2004

Her Majesty's 56th Regiment of Foot

Sanctum posted:

Is there a mod for deus ex that gives energy regeneration?

I get that I'm meant to use my augs conservatively, and having a limited energy supply enforces that. I'd just like a nice 10 energy/min regen so I don't have to worry about hording energy cells for later levels and backtracking to repair bots and all that silly stuff that could easily be replaced with slow energy regeneration and no scrounging.

Also I picked run silent because I wanted to be stealthy and I think that was a mistake. :(

If you are ever running short on biocells past the first two or so levels, you are doing something drastically wrong. The game is incredibly generous with resources but especially with bioenergy. Also you never have to hoard anything, there's always way more resources in any given level than you'll need.

Run Silent isn't bad at all, it's just that the speed aug is more useful in the core game because of the aforementioned exploit.

Spaz Medicine
Feb 22, 2008

Powercrazy posted:

Yuo move 50% slower run-crouching even with lvl4 speed running then you do with run silent.

Oh. Well, thats what happens when I talk about a game I haven't played in two years or so.

I still think the speed aug is better.

Fuzz
Jun 2, 2003

Avatar brought to you by the TG Sanity fund
Speed also lets you jump higher/farther and take less falling damage.

brap
Aug 23, 2004

Grimey Drawer
frankly considering they didn't implement the ability to climb waist-high objects that makes a big difference. One of my favorite things about biomod.

Vivian Darkbloom
Jul 14, 2004


AXE COP posted:

Wow, reading the interviews there makes you realise how cobbled together the plot was.

I'd rather have really good gameplay than the best plot possible. Luckily Deus Ex managed to produce both :)

Casimir Radon
Aug 2, 2008


Male Man posted:

JC's a clone of Paul. Paul was naturally born, although his parents' relationship (possibly also his grandparents' and even his great-grandparents') was manipulated by secret societies to produce someone genetically predisposed to augmentation.

The genetic records to accomplish this were gathered during the application of the smallpox vaccine. The Deus Ex Bible is awesome.
So they managed to cram in some Dune-inspired stuff too? It's still pretty awesome.

Luigi Thirty
Apr 30, 2006

Emergency confection port.

Now all they need is some Timecube and they've collected every conspiracy theory.

SeanBeansShako
Nov 20, 2009

Now the Drums beat up again,
For all true Soldier Gentlemen.
I got to give points to Tracer Tongs VA, shooting down the shoot of the destructing UC in Versalife and when he starts to look deep into the grey deaths structure with all the numbers he gets the whole 'do you SEE' tone of somebody telling somebody a conspiracy fact.

Mike the TV
Jan 14, 2008

Ninety-nine ninety-nine ninety-nine

Pillbug
To the person who was trying to kill JC in Deus Ex 2 while he is in the shield by using spiderbombs to move him around:


You can Bot Dominate your own spiderbombs and control them. :c00l:

etalian
Mar 20, 2006


Never bring a sword to a dragon sword fight

usually
Sep 9, 2004

e

usually fucked around with this message at 08:51 on Jul 19, 2011

AXE COP
Apr 16, 2010

i always feel like

somebody's watching me
Is the e-mail from Project Mayhem in the Underworld Bar in vanilla or something that Shifter adds in?

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CaptainWinky
Jun 13, 2001

AXE COP posted:

Is the e-mail from Project Mayhem in the Underworld Bar in vanilla or something that Shifter adds in?

I'm pretty certain it was in vanilla. Fight Club came out before Deus Ex did so a little reference to it wouldn't be too surprising.

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