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frozenphil
Mar 13, 2003

YOU CANNOT MAKE A MISTAKE SO BIG THAT 80 GRIT CAN'T FIX IT!
:smug:

MrKatharsis posted:

http://gainesville.craigslist.org/mcy/1708051436.html

I like this guy. However, in the video link it sounds like it idles strangely. Does that sound normal to you guys?

Sounds like a combination of being cold and needing the valves adjusted. $1200 is a decent price, but you could probably get it for $1k.

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Terminal
Feb 17, 2003
The Void
Question for <'07 owners, how linear is clutch engagement? I took my wife's '02 on the road today for the first time since we purchased it. Everything seems pretty good mechanically, but I'm thinking that either the clutch springs are worn or there's some glazing.

Engagement is decent in first, but going up into 2nd with even a moderate amount of throttle results in the first 70% of the engagement travel transferring very little power. The final bit of lever travel has a much more significant "hook" to it, and as far as I can tell there is no slipping with the clutch fully engaged. I haven't noticed this as much in 2nd->3rd and higher upshifts, but I'm usually not up beyond 10k for those shift points. I'm thinking either:

- Clutch springs are worn.

- Clutch springs are super soft in the same vein as the EX500.

- There's some glazing on the friction material that's causing the slipping.

Any thoughts?

Z3n
Jul 21, 2007

I think the point is Z3n is a space cowboy on the edge of a frontier unknown to man, he's out there pushing the limits, trail braking into the abyss. Finding out where the edge of the razor is, turning to face the darkness and revving his 690 into it's vast gaze. You gotta live this to learn it bro.
Have you tried adjusting the clutch? What you describe seems pretty standard though.

sectoidman
Aug 21, 2006
Never underestimate the bandwidth of a station wagon full of tapes hurtling down the highway.

Terminal posted:

Question for <'07 owners, how linear is clutch engagement? I took my wife's '02 on the road today for the first time since we purchased it. Everything seems pretty good mechanically, but I'm thinking that either the clutch springs are worn or there's some glazing.

Engagement is decent in first, but going up into 2nd with even a moderate amount of throttle results in the first 70% of the engagement travel transferring very little power. The final bit of lever travel has a much more significant "hook" to it, and as far as I can tell there is no slipping with the clutch fully engaged. I haven't noticed this as much in 2nd->3rd and higher upshifts, but I'm usually not up beyond 10k for those shift points. I'm thinking either:

- Clutch springs are worn.

- Clutch springs are super soft in the same vein as the EX500.

- There's some glazing on the friction material that's causing the slipping.

Any thoughts?

Is there any slack in the clutch cable? If not, then you could probably see a big improvement by fiddling with the adjuster on the handlebars, like Z3n said. 3mm of play in the cable should be just tight enough to prevent the handle from rattling without inducing any clutch slippage.

Edit: while you're messing with that, lubing the cables at the same time wouldn't be a bad idea either.

Terminal
Feb 17, 2003
The Void

sectoidman posted:

Is there any slack in the clutch cable? If not, then you could probably see a big improvement by fiddling with the adjuster on the handlebars, like Z3n said. 3mm of play in the cable should be just tight enough to prevent the handle from rattling without inducing any clutch slippage.

Edit: while you're messing with that, lubing the cables at the same time wouldn't be a bad idea either.

You post like some 250 owners are neglectful or something :colbert:

There's plenty of slack in the cable, wife has small hands, so I don't want her hitting the friction zone at the end of her reach. The cable action is super smooth, I drowned all the cables when we got the bike since the PO was pretty lazy on little maintenance things like that.

I'll just chalk it up to Kawasaki being new rider friendly with the clutch & spring design, and maybe take a look at the spring tolerances if we have a rainy stretch with nothing else to do.

Z3n
Jul 21, 2007

I think the point is Z3n is a space cowboy on the edge of a frontier unknown to man, he's out there pushing the limits, trail braking into the abyss. Finding out where the edge of the razor is, turning to face the darkness and revving his 690 into it's vast gaze. You gotta live this to learn it bro.

Terminal posted:

You post like some 250 owners are neglectful or something :colbert:

There's plenty of slack in the cable, wife has small hands, so I don't want her hitting the friction zone at the end of her reach. The cable action is super smooth, I drowned all the cables when we got the bike since the PO was pretty lazy on little maintenance things like that.

I'll just chalk it up to Kawasaki being new rider friendly with the clutch & spring design, and maybe take a look at the spring tolerances if we have a rainy stretch with nothing else to do.

This is the best reason to buy custom levers. Being adjustable for both distance from the bar and engagement point is amazing.

Sonic Dude
May 6, 2009
I've noticed some resistance on the clutch lever recently that was not there last November. I presume the clutch cable has probably never been lubricated (2003 model, and the PO did jack crap in terms of maintenance). Does this sound reasonable?

It sounds like I just need to spray some lubricant in that sheath, but I've been told I need to get a little "cable lubrication tool" - do I really need the little metal bracket thing to do it right?

Thanks to Terminal for jogging my memory and making me remember to ask.

Sonic Dude fucked around with this message at 04:26 on May 2, 2010

OneEightHundred
Feb 28, 2008

Soon, we will be unstoppable!
I got hosed by the DMV and mine wound up sitting in a parking lot for a full month, the fuel's gone to poo poo and now it doesn't even run without the choke open.

Since it's too late for fuel stabilizer, would siphoning the fuel out and letting it run on a fresh tank and some carb cleaner be likely to fix it, or am I going to have to take it to the shop?


In the latter case, I won't even be able to take it to the shop for another two weeks thanks to money issues, so what would be the best way to keep this from getting worse until then?

(Cleaning the carbs myself isn't an option, I have nowhere to service it at the moment)

OneEightHundred fucked around with this message at 19:04 on May 2, 2010

Z3n
Jul 21, 2007

I think the point is Z3n is a space cowboy on the edge of a frontier unknown to man, he's out there pushing the limits, trail braking into the abyss. Finding out where the edge of the razor is, turning to face the darkness and revving his 690 into it's vast gaze. You gotta live this to learn it bro.
You can give it a try. I'd also drain the carb to try and get as much fresh fuel in there as possible, and then I'd go run the hell out of it to get fuel flushing through the carbs and pray that that cleans things up.

Terminal
Feb 17, 2003
The Void

Sonic Dude posted:

I've noticed some resistance on the clutch lever recently that was not there last November. I presume the clutch cable has probably never been lubricated (2003 model, and the PO did jack crap in terms of maintenance). Does this sound reasonable?

It sounds like I just need to spray some lubricant in that sheath, but I've been told I need to get a little "cable lubrication tool" - do I really need the little metal bracket thing to do it right?

Thanks to Terminal for jogging my memory and making me remember to ask.

Since the adjuster on the lever end of the clutch cable seems to be made of lightly compressed tin foil and started shredding the moment I tried to take it out, I lubed the clutch cable from the transmission end. It was as simple as loosening the adjuster, removing the end of the cable, and then spraying cable lube into the sheath with some paper towels held around the end. Cycle the clutch lever a few times, lube again, repeat until you can't feel any "dryness" when cycling the lever.

If you can get the lever-end of the cable out successfully, that will be your best bet since you'll have gravity on your side.

I had a MotionPro cable lube tool, tried to use it once which resulted in cable lube spraying everywhere but down the cable. Re-fastened it, this time half the lube went down the cable, and the other half spit out where the rubber channel on the tool comes together. Paper towels/rags and being light on the spray trigger will work just fine.

the walkin dude
Oct 27, 2004

powerfully erect.
I hosed around with the interior of the throttle assembly, and this metal wire on the underside popped out. Now I seemingly can't put it back together and it is now unrideable. :( I've been suspecting that my throttle is the (next testable) source of my bike's current malady, so I tried to take it apart and put it back following Ninja250.org's throttle section. I failed. Is there another guide on putting the throttle assembly back together? Can anyone explain how to do it?

sectoidman
Aug 21, 2006
Never underestimate the bandwidth of a station wagon full of tapes hurtling down the highway.

Terminal posted:

You post like some 250 owners are neglectful or something :colbert:

:blush:

Sonic Dude posted:

I've noticed some resistance on the clutch lever recently that was not there last November. I presume the clutch cable has probably never been lubricated (2003 model, and the PO did jack crap in terms of maintenance). Does this sound reasonable?

It sounds like I just need to spray some lubricant in that sheath, but I've been told I need to get a little "cable lubrication tool" - do I really need the little metal bracket thing to do it right?

Thanks to Terminal for jogging my memory and making me remember to ask.

You can get one of those tools at harbor freight for <$5, and while it isn't strictly necessary, it does make things a bit easier.

frozenphil
Mar 13, 2003

YOU CANNOT MAKE A MISTAKE SO BIG THAT 80 GRIT CAN'T FIX IT!
:smug:
Hey everyone, go swap in a 15t front sprocket on your bike right now. These drat things should have come from the factory with one. I was hoping for more than a 500 RPM drop in cruising engine speed, but that is easily rectified with a smaller rear sprocket. At any rate, I can now use gears other than 6th for more than just getting to 6th gear.

I'm not sure how that one dude managed to get a 16t in there as the 15t comes really close to a couple of the cover mounting bosses. I don't see how a 16t could actually fit. I think he may have received a mislabeled 15t.

Z3n
Jul 21, 2007

I think the point is Z3n is a space cowboy on the edge of a frontier unknown to man, he's out there pushing the limits, trail braking into the abyss. Finding out where the edge of the razor is, turning to face the darkness and revving his 690 into it's vast gaze. You gotta live this to learn it bro.
You can count the teeth on it, it's a 16. :psyduck:

frozenphil
Mar 13, 2003

YOU CANNOT MAKE A MISTAKE SO BIG THAT 80 GRIT CAN'T FIX IT!
:smug:

Z3n posted:

You can count the teeth on it, it's a 16. :psyduck:

Weird. There's about 3mm between the edge of the 15t and the sprocket cover's mounting bosses on my '09. Maybe he ground those down?

Z3n
Jul 21, 2007

I think the point is Z3n is a space cowboy on the edge of a frontier unknown to man, he's out there pushing the limits, trail braking into the abyss. Finding out where the edge of the razor is, turning to face the darkness and revving his 690 into it's vast gaze. You gotta live this to learn it bro.

frozenphil posted:

Weird. There's about 3mm between the edge of the 15t and the sprocket cover's mounting bosses on my '09. Maybe he ground those down?

You can read the thread here:
http://www.ninja250forum.com/index.php?option=com_smf&Itemid=26&topic=738.15

He claimed that there was no need to modify anything, it was just a tight fit. He could have not mentioned that though...

From a 15 to a 16 tooth is only a ~6.5% increase in size though.

-Inu-
Nov 11, 2008

TWO HUNDRED AND FIFTY CUBIC CENTIMETERS

frozenphil posted:

Hey everyone, go swap in a 15t front sprocket on your bike right now. These drat things should have come from the factory with one. I was hoping for more than a 500 RPM drop in cruising engine speed, but that is easily rectified with a smaller rear sprocket. At any rate, I can now use gears other than 6th for more than just getting to 6th gear.
Amen brother.

Daemoxx
Oct 20, 2007
[witty comment goes here]
I've been thinking about picking up a motorcycle in the next couple months. Much cheaper to maintain/fill up than a car, and honestly looks a hell of a lot more fun.

I read through the thread and saw a bunch of posts about how small the Ninja 250 is which is honestly a good thing for me. I'm 5'0 and about 120lbs with a 24 inch inseam. Can I handle this bike, and if not is there any customization I can do to it to make it smaller without spending more than the actual cost of one of these used? The styling has by far made it my favorite bike, so I hope I can pull one of these off.

blugu64
Jul 17, 2006

Do you realize that fluoridation is the most monstrously conceived and dangerous communist plot we have ever had to face?

Daemoxx posted:

I'm 5'0 and about 120lbs with a 24 inch inseam. Can I handle this bike

You should be fine. There are lowering kits, but I'd give it a shot stock first.

Daemoxx posted:

thinking about picking up a motorcycle

You'll have to a couple times when you start out so don't worry about it :rimshot:

Daemoxx
Oct 20, 2007
[witty comment goes here]

blugu64 posted:

You should be fine. There are lowering kits, but I'd give it a shot stock first.


You'll have to a couple times when you start out so don't worry about it :rimshot:

Planning on picking up a cosmetically dinged up one when I get my first one so I won't feel quite so bad about that.

Probably cheaper, too!

-Inu-
Nov 11, 2008

TWO HUNDRED AND FIFTY CUBIC CENTIMETERS
One other thing about going up one tooth in the front: I've had 2 or 3 fillups and I'm seeing about a 5-10mpg increase. Went from low-mid 40's to low 50's. I do a large portion of my riding on the highway though, so the drop in rpms has a more noticeable impact on my gas.

Edit:

Gas receipt from 3/15/10 (stock gearing): 138.7 miles/3.256 gallons = 42.60 MPG

Gas reciept from 4/30/10 (+1 front): 158.5 miles/3.078 gallons = 51.49 MPG

-Inu- fucked around with this message at 12:24 on May 4, 2010

Endless Mike
Aug 13, 2003



Where is the speed sensor on the 250?

Terminal
Feb 17, 2003
The Void

Endless Mike posted:

Where is the speed sensor on the 250?

Classic gen has a mechanical speedo gear on the front wheel.

frozenphil
Mar 13, 2003

YOU CANNOT MAKE A MISTAKE SO BIG THAT 80 GRIT CAN'T FIX IT!
:smug:

-Inu- posted:

One other thing about going up one tooth in the front: I've had 2 or 3 fillups and I'm seeing about a 5-10mpg increase. Went from low-mid 40's to low 50's. I do a large portion of my riding on the highway though, so the drop in rpms has a more noticeable impact on my gas.

I thought I was getting poor mileage at 49mpg, mostly highway. Do you just sit on the rev limiter all day or something because I used to basically never be below 10k RPM.
I'm looking forward to seeing what my mileage goes up to now that I can cruise at 9k RPM instead.

Endless Mike posted:

Where is the speed sensor on the 250?

Same for both generations, front wheel.

-Inu-
Nov 11, 2008

TWO HUNDRED AND FIFTY CUBIC CENTIMETERS

frozenphil posted:

I thought I was getting poor mileage at 49mpg, mostly highway. Do you just sit on the rev limiter all day or something because I used to basically never be below 10k RPM.
Yeah. Highway cruising never below 11k and in-town shifting between 10-11k and 3/4 throttle-WOT most of the time. I like to ride my slow bike fast.

frozenphil
Mar 13, 2003

YOU CANNOT MAKE A MISTAKE SO BIG THAT 80 GRIT CAN'T FIX IT!
:smug:

-Inu- posted:

Yeah. Highway cruising never below 11k and in-town shifting between 10-11k and 3/4 throttle-WOT most of the time. I like to ride my slow bike fast.

:hfive:

The Ninja 250 has got to be the only reasonable application of a 1/4 turn throttle on a street bike outside of a poseur drag bike.

Z3n
Jul 21, 2007

I think the point is Z3n is a space cowboy on the edge of a frontier unknown to man, he's out there pushing the limits, trail braking into the abyss. Finding out where the edge of the razor is, turning to face the darkness and revving his 690 into it's vast gaze. You gotta live this to learn it bro.

frozenphil posted:

:hfive:

The Ninja 250 has got to be the only reasonable application of a 1/4 turn throttle on a street bike outside of a poseur drag bike.

DRZ400.

frozenphil
Mar 13, 2003

YOU CANNOT MAKE A MISTAKE SO BIG THAT 80 GRIT CAN'T FIX IT!
:smug:

Z3n posted:

DRZ400

You ride a supermoto on the street? I thought they were only allowed on sidewalks and on the curvy ramps underneath bridges?

Z3n
Jul 21, 2007

I think the point is Z3n is a space cowboy on the edge of a frontier unknown to man, he's out there pushing the limits, trail braking into the abyss. Finding out where the edge of the razor is, turning to face the darkness and revving his 690 into it's vast gaze. You gotta live this to learn it bro.

frozenphil posted:

You ride a supermoto on the street? I thought they were only allowed on sidewalks and on the curvy ramps underneath bridges?

Touche, sir. Touche.

Tsaven Nava
Dec 31, 2008

by elpintogrande

frozenphil posted:

You ride a supermoto on the street? I thought they were only allowed on sidewalks and on the curvy ramps underneath bridges?

The rear wheel is allowed on the street, but the front wheel isn't.

-Inu-
Nov 11, 2008

TWO HUNDRED AND FIFTY CUBIC CENTIMETERS
Painted my windscreen a couple days ago, I think it greatly improved the aesthetics of the bike.



Painted the back of it with matte black krylon fusion, total cost about 8 bucks. Only downside is you can't see out of the windscreen anymore, but I don't full tuck my ninja 250 often enough to care..

frozenphil
Mar 13, 2003

YOU CANNOT MAKE A MISTAKE SO BIG THAT 80 GRIT CAN'T FIX IT!
:smug:
Even when I am full tuck I still see over the top of the tiny stock screen.

ButtFaceMcCrackin
Nov 6, 2004

You'll never get confused about which end to use!
Just bought a 2002 Ninja 250 with about 7500 miles over the weekend, my first bike. Haven't had much time to ride it because of work but it has me grinning like a retard throughout the day. I'll try to get some pictures when I get home if I can.

the walkin dude
Oct 27, 2004

powerfully erect.

ButtFaceMcCrackin posted:

Just bought a 2002 Ninja 250 with about 7500 miles over the weekend, my first bike. Haven't had much time to ride it because of work but it has me grinning like a retard throughout the day. I'll try to get some pictures when I get home if I can.

Yellow or green?

the walkin dude
Oct 27, 2004

powerfully erect.
The GF just moved into a new apartment. This is her neighbor, sitting right there on the street. Good thing the street is heavily-trafficked by cops, I guess.

ButtFaceMcCrackin
Nov 6, 2004

You'll never get confused about which end to use!
Green, like it's supposed to be.


Click here for the full 1535x1459 image.



Click here for the full 1435x2043 image.

sklnd
Nov 26, 2007

NOT A TRACTOR

the walkin dude posted:

The GF just moved into a new apartment. This is her neighbor, sitting right there on the street. Good thing the street is heavily-trafficked by cops, I guess.



that is so awesome

Ammanas
Jul 17, 2005

Voltes V: "Laser swooooooooord!"
How do I get the screws out of the bottom of the carbs? All of my phillips heads just shred the metal. Like its made of cheese or something

sectoidman
Aug 21, 2006
Never underestimate the bandwidth of a station wagon full of tapes hurtling down the highway.

Ammanas posted:

How do I get the screws out of the bottom of the carbs? All of my phillips heads just shred the metal. Like its made of cheese or something

I think they are made of cheese, or at least a cheese-like substance that also vaguely resembles a metal.

If you haven't yet, try the screwdrivers that come with the bike's tool kit, they should be the perfect sizes to fit the screws, and assuming the screws aren't totally seized should work fine for removing them.

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Ammanas
Jul 17, 2005

Voltes V: "Laser swooooooooord!"
That worked for most of them but two just got tore up. Bottom aint coming off now. This is giving me flashbacks to working on my GS500. Every loving screw and bolt and nut on that thing was made of soft metal.

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