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tek79
Jun 16, 2008

Ganguro King posted:

Got Documents

Recipient::crossarms: Ah, very interesting, but can you produce all of that information if I asked you to?
Sender: :clint: YES BUT I DONT HAVE TO IM NOT THE PRESIDENT!!!!!!
:crossarms: I'm sorry, can you repeat that?
:clint: IM NOT THE PRESIDENT!!!!!
:crossarms: That's what I thought you said... :a2m:

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jackpot
Aug 31, 2004

First cousin to the Black Rabbit himself. Such was Woundwort's monument...and perhaps it would not have displeased him.<
I'm so jealous of you people sometimes, goddamnit I never get any good emails. I have conservative relatives, but they don't send emails. The best I can do is an occasional mother-in-law email about Al Qaeda hacking FarmVille or something, but that's pretty rare.

yatagan
Aug 31, 2009

by Ozma

Toad on a Hat posted:

EVERYTHING IS NAZI GERMANY! EVERYTHING. THERE IS LITERALLY NOTHING THAT ISN'T LIKE NAZI GERMANY.

They kind of have a point that it's a little hosed up. I'm not sure what Qaddafi did to them personally though.

quote:

I don't like to send bulk e-mail, but this is just too inconceivable to ignore. It seems to be a nightmare come true: Qaddafi has been elected to the "Human Rights" Council of the UN.

Now I'm quite apprehensive about sending my son to Germany next summer. Below, the Deutsche Presse-Agentur says,

"We don't measure the success of the council solely in terms of who is on the body," US Ambassador Susan Rice said. "The most important metric is what the council does and what action it takes or doesn't take."

This isn't about someone who has made a few human mistakes that we all do in life. This is a dictator who has tortured and murdered *thousands* of people. When we're at the point of forgiving mass murderers and putting them in charge in judging others on human rights, it's total hypocrisy and lunacy. It isn't just a case of people having different politics or opinions. Khaddafi, Gaddafi, Qaddafi -- no matter how you spell it, he's a mass murderer who has brutalized thousands and thousands of people. Why is it not acceptable when some private citizen or a terrorist goes out and murders people, yet when a man in power does so and does so on a huge scale, it's somehow ignored? One of the worst human rights violators in the world is now sits with power to judge others about "human rights."

This news item will be completely glossed over in the news.

Below are various news clips that UN Watch (whom I've been following for some time and who works to ensure human rights for all human beings) has collected.

I guess maybe he did them personally and there's a problem with that, but not US sanctioned killings I guess.

chesh
Apr 19, 2004

That was terrible.

jackpot posted:

I'm so jealous of you people sometimes, goddamnit I never get any good emails. I have conservative relatives, but they don't send emails. The best I can do is an occasional mother-in-law email about Al Qaeda hacking FarmVille or something, but that's pretty rare.

That's like saying you're jealous of people with cancer.

crime fighting hog
Jun 29, 2006

I only pray, Heaven knows when to lift you out

chesh posted:

That's like saying you're jealous of people with cancer.

That's the point of this thread now. To give everyone cancer. Conservative, e-mail cancer.

Ruckby
Aug 25, 2009

yatagan posted:

They kind of have a point that it's a little hosed up. I'm not sure what Qaddafi did to them personally though.


I guess maybe he did them personally and there's a problem with that, but not US sanctioned killings I guess.

I'm pretty it isn't commonly accepted that Qaddafi killed thousands of people though. There were definitely political assassinations of Libyan dissidents, but I'm not aware of any mass murders committed by him.

herbaceous backson
Mar 10, 2009

by FactsAreUseless

quote:

FW: [FWD: Fw: Awesome video]

This is beautiful and so descriptive of what Americans really are and must continue.

This is one of the best videos I have ever received. It will touch your heart because it is about all of us. Please watch video to the very end, including credits..you will find the credits interesting. Yes, Obama take your socialism and go to hell!

Click below.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXAcHtdU3nY

Hollow Gaunt
Aug 7, 2007

Got this one today:

[quote: Retarded family member]
A Stranger in Our Midst

By Robert Weissberg
As the Obama administration enters its second year, I -- and undoubtedly millions of others -- have struggled to develop a shorthand term that captures our emotional unease. Defining this discomfort is tricky. I reject nearly the entire Obama agenda, but the term "being opposed" lacks an emotional punch. Nor do terms like "worried" or "anxious" apply. I was more worried about America's future during the Johnson or Carter years, so it's not that dictionary, either. Nor, for that matter, is this about backroom odious deal-making and pork, which are endemic in American politics.

After auditioning countless political terms, I finally realized that the Obama administration and its congressional collaborators almost resemble a foreign occupying force, a coterie of politically and culturally non-indigenous leaders whose rule contravenes local values rooted in our national tradition. It is as if the United States has been occupied by a foreign power, and this transcends policy objections. It is not about Obama's birthplace. It is not about race, either; millions of white Americans have had black mayors and black governors, and this unease about out-of-synch values never surfaced.

The term I settled on is "alien rule" -- based on outsider values, regardless of policy benefits -- that generates agitation. This is what bloody anti-colonial strife was all about. No doubt, millions of Indians and Africans probably grasped that expelling the British guaranteed economic ruin and even worse governance, but at least the mess would be their mess. Just travel to Afghanistan and witness American military commanders' efforts to enlist tribal elders with promises of roads, clean water, dental clinics, and all else that America can freely provide. Many of these elders probably privately prefer abject poverty to foreign occupation since it would be their poverty, run by their people, according to their sensibilities.

This disquiet was a slow realization. Awareness began with Obama's odd pre-presidency associations, decades of being oblivious to Rev. Wright's anti-American ranting, his enduring friendship with the terrorist guy-in-the-neighborhood Bill Ayers, and the Saul Alinsky-flavored anti-capitalist community activism. Further add a hazy personal background -- an Indonesian childhood, shifting official names, and a paperless-trail climb through elite educational institutions.

None of this disqualified Obama from the presidency; rather, this background just doesn't fit with the conventional political résumé. It is just the "outsider?" quality that alarms. For all the yammering about George W. Bush's privileged background, his made-in-the-USA persona was absolutely indisputable. John McCain might be embarrassed about his Naval Academy class rank and iffy combat performance, but there was never any doubt of his authenticity. Countless conservatives despised Bill Clinton, but nobody ever, ever doubted his good-old-boy American bonafides.

The suspicion that Obama is an outsider, a figure who really doesn't "get" America, grew clearer from his initial appointments. What "native" would appoint Kevin Jennings, a militant gay activist, to oversee school safety? Or permit a Marxist rabble-rouser to be a "green jobs czar"? How about an Attorney General who began by accusing Americans of cowardice when it comes to discussing race? And who can forget Obama's weird defense of his pal Louis Henry Gates from "racist" Cambridge, Massachusetts cops? If the American Revolution had never occurred and the Queen had appointed Obama Royal Governor (after his distinguished service in Kenya), a trusted locally attuned aide would have first whispered in his ear, "Mr. Governor General, here in America, we do not automatically assume that the police were at fault," and the day would have been saved.

And then there's the "we are sorry, we'll never be arrogant again" rhetoric seemingly designed for a future President of the World election campaign. What made Obama's Cairo utterances so distressing was how they grated on American cultural sensibilities. And he just doesn't notice, perhaps akin to never hearing Rev. Wright anti-American diatribes. An American president does not pander to third-world audiences by lying about the Muslim contribution to America. Imagine Ronald Reagan, or any past American president, trying to win friends by apologizing. This appeal contravenes our national character and far exceeds a momentary embarrassment about garbled syntax or poor delivery. Then there's Obama's bizarre, totally unnecessary deep bowing to foreign potentates. Americans look foreign leaders squarely in the eye and firmly shake hands; we don't bow.
But far worse is Obama's tone-deafness about American government. How can any ordinary American, even a traditional liberal, believe that jamming through unpopular, debt-expanding legislation that consumes one-sixth of our GDP, sometimes with sly side-payments and with a thin majority, will eventually be judged legitimate? This is third-world, maximum-leader-style politics. That the legislation was barely understood even by its defenders and vehemently championed by a representative of that typical American city, San Francisco, only exacerbates the strangeness. And now President Obama sides with illegal aliens over the State of Arizona, which seeks to enforce the federal immigration law to protect American citizens from marauding drug gangs and other miscreants streaming in across the Mexican border.

Reciprocal public disengagement from President Obama is strongly suggested by recent poll data on public trust in government. According to a recent Pew report, only 22% of those asked trust the government always or most of the time, among the lowest figures in half a century. And while pro-government support has been slipping for decades, the Obama presidency has sharply exacerbated this drop. To be sure, many factors (in particular the economic downturn) contribute to this decline, but remember that Obama was recently elected by an often wildly enthusiastic popular majority. The collapse of trust undoubtedly transcends policy quibbles or a sluggish economy -- it is far more consistent with a deeper alienation.

Perhaps the clearest evidence for this "foreigner in our midst" mentality is the name given our resistance -- tea parties, an image that instantly invokes the American struggle against George III, a clueless foreign ruler from central casting. This history-laden label was hardly predetermined, but it instantly stuck (as did the election of Sen. Scott Brown as "the shot heard around the world" and tea partiers dressing up in colonial-era costumes). Perhaps subconsciously, Obama does remind Americans of when the U.S. was really occupied by a foreign power. A Declaration of Independence passage may still resonate: "HE [George III] has erected a Multitude of new Offices [Czars], and sent hither Swarms of Officers [recently hired IRS agents] to harass our People, and eat out the Substance." What's next?
Robert Weissberg is Professor of Political Science-Emeritus, University of Illinois-Urbana.
[/quote]

I always reply to these, even though I know that it never gets through to them. How should I go about tackling this one?

Seth Pecksniff
May 27, 2004

can't believe shrek is fucking dead. rip to a real one.

yatagan posted:

They kind of have a point that it's a little hosed up. I'm not sure what Qaddafi did to them personally though.


I guess maybe he did them personally and there's a problem with that, but not US sanctioned killings I guess.

I don't deny they have a point but if I were Jewish I'd be deeply offended that everything is compared to Nazi Germany/the Holocaust right now because that trivializes the horror that the Jewish people went through.

euphronius
Feb 18, 2009

quote:

Perhaps the clearest evidence for this "foreigner in our midst" mentality is the name given our resistance -- tea parties, an image that instantly invokes the American struggle against George III, a clueless foreign ruler from central casting.

Bit of a reach there considering at the time George III was the same nationality of most of them, they recognized them as their king and were protesting Parliament, not the King.

But otherwise, completely accurate!

jackpot
Aug 31, 2004

First cousin to the Black Rabbit himself. Such was Woundwort's monument...and perhaps it would not have displeased him.<

chesh posted:

That's like saying you're jealous of people with cancer.
Everybody treats them special and they sometimes get to meet their heroes. :unsmith:

Factum est posted:

"HE [George III] has erected a Multitude of new Offices [Czars], and sent hither Swarms of Officers [recently hired IRS agents] to harass our People, and eat out the Substance."
:quagmire:

a handful of dust posted:

This is pro-click, 100%.

They treat the founding fathers like they're the gods on Mount Olympus, it's just so weird and creepy.

Intel&Sebastian
Oct 20, 2002

colonel...
i'm trying to sneak around
but i'm dummy thicc
and the clap of my ass cheeks
keeps alerting the guards!

quote:

As the Obama administration enters its second year, I -- and undoubtedly millions of others -- have struggled to develop a shorthand term that captures our emotional unease.

"Sour Grapes"

You're welcome!

Gripen5
Nov 3, 2003

'Startocaster' is more fun to say than I expected.

quote:

As the Obama administration enters its second year, I -- and undoubtedly millions of others -- have struggled to develop a shorthand term that captures our emotional unease. Defining this discomfort is tricky. I reject nearly the entire Obama agenda, but the term "being opposed" lacks an emotional punch. Nor do terms like "worried" or "anxious" apply. I was more worried about America's future during the Johnson or Carter years, so it's not that dictionary, either. Nor, for that matter, is this about backroom odious deal-making and pork, which are endemic in American politics.

After auditioning countless political terms, I finally realized that the Obama administration and its congressional collaborators almost resemble a foreign occupying force, a coterie of politically and culturally non-indigenous leaders whose rule contravenes local values rooted in our national tradition. It is as if the United States has been occupied by a foreign power, and this transcends policy objections. It is not about Obama's birthplace. It is not about race, either; millions of white Americans have had black mayors and black governors, and this unease about out-of-synch values never surfaced.

The term I settled on is "alien rule" -- based on outsider values, regardless of policy benefits -- that generates agitation. This is what bloody anti-colonial strife was all about. No doubt, millions of Indians and Africans probably grasped that expelling the British guaranteed economic ruin and even worse governance, but at least the mess would be their mess. Just travel to Afghanistan and witness American military commanders' efforts to enlist tribal elders with promises of roads, clean water, dental clinics, and all else that America can freely provide. Many of these elders probably privately prefer abject poverty to foreign occupation since it would be their poverty, run by their people, according to their sensibilities.

I also agree that alien rule is defined by overwhelming victory from both a popular vote and electoral standpoint.

quote:

This disquiet was a slow realization. Awareness began with Obama's odd pre-presidency associations, decades of being oblivious to Rev. Wright's anti-American ranting, his enduring friendship with the terrorist guy-in-the-neighborhood Bill Ayers, and the Saul Alinsky-flavored anti-capitalist community activism. Further add a hazy personal background -- an Indonesian childhood, shifting official names, and a paperless-trail climb through elite educational institutions.

Lets bring up some meaningless and otherwise debunked associations.

quote:

None of this disqualified Obama from the presidency; rather, this background just doesn't fit with the conventional political résumé. It is just the "outsider?" quality that alarms. For all the yammering about George W. Bush's privileged background, his made-in-the-USA persona was absolutely indisputable. John McCain might be embarrassed about his Naval Academy class rank and iffy combat performance, but there was never any doubt of his authenticity. Countless conservatives despised Bill Clinton, but nobody ever, ever doubted his good-old-boy American bonafides.

I too agree that a manufactured good-old-southern-boy persona from a northeast-privileged man, who literally failed at everything he did until running for Texas governor makes you a true American. Where as the son of an immigrant who worked hard to get everywhere he got is completely foreign to the American spirit.

Where to being on this next part?

quote:

The suspicion that Obama is an outsider, a figure who really doesn't "get" America, grew clearer from his initial appointments. What "native" would appoint Kevin Jennings, a militant gay activist, to oversee school safety? Or permit a Marxist rabble-rouser to be a "green jobs czar"? How about an Attorney General who began by accusing Americans of cowardice when it comes to discussing race? And who can forget Obama's weird defense of his pal Louis Henry Gates from "racist" Cambridge, Massachusetts cops? If the American Revolution had never occurred and the Queen had appointed Obama Royal Governor (after his distinguished service in Kenya), a trusted locally attuned aide would have first whispered in his ear, "Mr. Governor General, here in America, we do not automatically assume that the police were at fault," and the day would have been saved.

Every appointment is dubious to Republicans so why bother?

I also don't find it strange that he was likely to give the benefit of the doubt to someone he actually knew and respected.


quote:

And then there's the "we are sorry, we'll never be arrogant again" rhetoric seemingly designed for a future President of the World election campaign. What made Obama's Cairo utterances so distressing was how they grated on American cultural sensibilities. And he just doesn't notice, perhaps akin to never hearing Rev. Wright anti-American diatribes. An American president does not pander to third-world audiences by lying about the Muslim contribution to America. Imagine Ronald Reagan, or any past American president, trying to win friends by apologizing. This appeal contravenes our national character and far exceeds a momentary embarrassment about garbled syntax or poor delivery. Then there's Obama's bizarre, totally unnecessary deep bowing to foreign potentates. Americans look foreign leaders squarely in the eye and firmly shake hands; we don't bow.

All of this is stupid, I don't even know how to respond. We have apologized for things in the past. This isn't the cold war. We don't need to act like we are the tough guy on the block. We already spend almost as much money on the military than the entire rest of the world combined.

quote:

But far worse is Obama's tone-deafness about American government. How can any ordinary American, even a traditional liberal, believe that jamming through unpopular, debt-expanding legislation that consumes one-sixth of our GDP, sometimes with sly side-payments and with a thin majority, will eventually be judged legitimate? This is third-world, maximum-leader-style politics. That the legislation was barely understood even by its defenders and vehemently championed by a representative of that typical American city, San Francisco, only exacerbates the strangeness.

As though Bush didn't do the exact same thing, only worse it was a 50-50 tie broken by the Cheney, with trillion dollar tax cuts. Where as the tax cuts were actually debt expanding, while the health plan lowered the national debt... oops.

quote:

And now President Obama sides with illegal aliens over the State of Arizona, which seeks to enforce the federal immigration law to protect American citizens from marauding drug gangs and other miscreants streaming in across the Mexican border.

I don't see why supporting legislation that address a symptom rather than a problem is seen as a good thing. Illegal immigrants are nothing more than a scape goat right now for the most part.

quote:

Reciprocal public disengagement from President Obama is strongly suggested by recent poll data on public trust in government. According to a recent Pew report, only 22% of those asked trust the government always or most of the time, among the lowest figures in half a century. And while pro-government support has been slipping for decades, the Obama presidency has sharply exacerbated this drop. To be sure, many factors (in particular the economic downturn) contribute to this decline, but remember that Obama was recently elected by an often wildly enthusiastic popular majority. The collapse of trust undoubtedly transcends policy quibbles or a sluggish economy -- it is far more consistent with a deeper alienation.

Its part of a steady tread for half a century because the Republicans have campaigned upon the idea that the government literally can not be trusted to do anything (unless a Republican does it).

quote:

Perhaps the clearest evidence for this "foreigner in our midst" mentality is the name given our resistance -- tea parties, an image that instantly invokes the American struggle against George III, a clueless foreign ruler from central casting. This history-laden label was hardly predetermined, but it instantly stuck (as did the election of Sen. Scott Brown as "the shot heard around the world" and tea partiers dressing up in colonial-era costumes). Perhaps subconsciously, Obama does remind Americans of when the U.S. was really occupied by a foreign power. A Declaration of Independence passage may still resonate: "HE [George III] has erected a Multitude of new Offices [Czars], and sent hither Swarms of Officers [recently hired IRS agents] to harass our People, and eat out the Substance."

This is mostly stupid BS, but the last part is silly. Bush had more Czars and there is nothing wrong with hiring more people to get people to pay what they are legally suppose to.

quote:

What's next?
Robert Weissberg is Professor of Political Science-Emeritus, University of Illinois-Urbana.

Some d-bag who likely didn't write this anyway.

Sorry, bored at work, luckily its the end of the day.

jackpot
Aug 31, 2004

First cousin to the Black Rabbit himself. Such was Woundwort's monument...and perhaps it would not have displeased him.<

Intel&Sebastian posted:

As the Obama administration enters its second year, I -- and undoubtedly millions of others -- have struggled to develop a shorthand term that captures our emotional unease.

"The sheriff is a n-----!"

crime fighting hog
Jun 29, 2006

I only pray, Heaven knows when to lift you out

Gripen5 posted:

Sorry, bored at work, luckily its the end of the day.

I actually like paragraphed responses like this, so don't apologize

ManoliIsFat
Oct 4, 2002

Gripen5 posted:

Where as the tax cuts were actually debt expanding, while the health plan lowered the national debt... oops.
Ya, but those tax cuts lead to the sweetest decade of stagnate wages ever. Can't you see how necessary they were for our economic prosperity as a nation?! A rising tide lifts all boats.

OatBoy
Nov 18, 2004

What can I say, it's my nature

a handful of dust posted:


I couldn't stop laughing the whole time, it just seemed so ridiculous, and the music was so godawful. When the woman sings "I'm independent" it just sounds so loving stupid.

Deuce
Jun 18, 2004
Mile High Club

OatBoy posted:

I couldn't stop laughing the whole time, it just seemed so ridiculous, and the music was so godawful. When the woman sings "I'm independent" it just sounds so loving stupid.

There's a lot of this sort of thing these days. Random patriotic sounding nonsense that doesn't mean anything. "SEE OBAMA THIS IS WHAT YOU DON'T GET!"

jackpot
Aug 31, 2004

First cousin to the Black Rabbit himself. Such was Woundwort's monument...and perhaps it would not have displeased him.<
They've got the comments on that video locked down, there's not a chance of getting anything in there. Still entertaining to read, though:

quote:

@postmodernistme You loose your right to choose, your freedom. Your personal info about your BODY at their fingertips. Why doesn't that bother you? Strangers in the federal government, can see your pap smear results. Are you ok with them knowing you have depression or EDD? Or you are a registered gun owner and they see you are taking a mild anti-depressant and use that info to confiscate your guns. or your kids? what if they decide to pay for only 2 kids limiting your family size?.

quote:

@postmodernistme Everyone has access to health care. Hospitals don't turn you away when you enter the ER.

quote:

I really wanted to pass this video on but twice he mentions that we "have freedom of choice". Sorry, but the Lord did NOT give us the right to take the life of unborn children. Other than that comment it IS a wonderful video.

quote:

To clear the air, lyric is "I have the Constitution and freedom of choice" meaning the Constitution guarantees freedom of choices,e.g., to vote, to bear arms, to pursue the "Blessings of Liberty", etc. The Constitution is the only protection against an out of control federal government bent on diminishing, and/or abolishing human, civil, and God given rights. This song is a tribute to the brave folks who have, and are, standing up to protect and defend our Constitution and God given rights.

chesh
Apr 19, 2004

That was terrible.

quote:

The suspicion that Obama is an outsider

quote:

Perhaps the clearest evidence for this "foreigner in our midst" mentality

quote:

Perhaps subconsciously, Obama does remind Americans of when the U.S. was really occupied by a foreign power.

I have a bachelor's in film. One of the things they make you do in film school it tedious, horrible film criticism classes. For the most part they utterly suck. Yes, I know what the use of the color orange means in the Godfather, not because I was a film student, but because I have seen the loving movie.

Having said that, the one criticism class I enjoyed was Intro to Horror. They talk a lot about the evolution of the horror film, how they become more prevalent when the populace is scared about real world events (WWI, WWII, Vietnam, The Cold War, and then again after 9/11) and the one real gripe I had was the focus on female victimization, which I think petered out after the advent of Ripley and absolutely was gone by the time Buffy hit the scene.

All of which is a long winded way to get to my point: The Horror Film is all about The Other. It's all about focusing fear on an undefinable or unbeatable OTHER, which is basically what this e-mail equates Obama to.

Frankenstein accidentally kills a woman because he doesn't know his own strength. The mob kills him.

Nosferatu was LITERALLY an other, a creature from another place preying on the women in his path.

The Werewolf was a normal man transfigured to a beast (as all men occasionally are).

Rosemary's husband allows his wife to be raped by Satan and give birth to a horned being for his own personal gain. She is betrayed, raped by an Other, gives birth to an Other.

Texas Chainsaw Massacre? A family of Others.

Honestly, I could go on and on through the pantheon of Others that are meant to scare us, but it's absurdly late, and I would love to get in to that in the morning if anyone is interested. BUT, the big thing I want to point out is that that original premise has bled over in to non-horror, to main stream action movies.

Die Hard: loving Germans.

Ever notice how McClane isn't interested in learning really why the bad guys are doing what they are doing? He just wants to make them talk so he can move around a little less detected. In the 80's, during the Cold War, we didn't have to invent a monster worse than the Russians/East Germans. This sufficed.

And of course now vampires are all sparkly cuddly and just wanna love teenage girls so who would be afraid of them?

OK, I am oversimplifying, but the ONE pre-9/11 movie that dealt with what is happening kinda now? Slammed as a xenophobic piece of bullshit, even though it was not only good but pretty spot on:

The Siege.

The Other in that movie was Islamic Extremists trying to blow up New York. Director Ed Zwick was vilified at the time as anti-Muslim though he was actually kinda right in this instance, though the film, as films do, took it to the extreme.

Basically, this e-mail and the right wing mindset in general started me off on this tangent at 5AM, so gently caress them. My point is they are not just disagreeing with a President they dislike and didn't vote for, they are trying to turn him in to a literary trope of evil personified by their language. "He's not one of us" "he's different". These are age old loving stereotypes used to discriminate against An Other, and I don't necessarily wanna call it racist, so much as ingrained in modern society, because presented with their prejudices they will back off and claim NO NO NO, We only hate Frankenstein's monster because he ATTACKED, not because he was an abomination against God!

tek79
Jun 16, 2008

a handful of dust posted:

FW: [FWD: Fw: Awesome video]

This is the audio-visual manifestation of a flag and eagle collector plate.

notcreativeenough
Mar 8, 2010

by Fistgrrl

chesh posted:


The Siege.

The Other in that movie was Islamic Extremists trying to blow up New York. Director Ed Zwick was vilified at the time as anti-Muslim though he was actually kinda right in this instance, though the film, as films do, took it to the extreme.

Basically, this e-mail and the right wing mindset in general started me off on this tangent at 5AM, so gently caress them. My point is they are not just disagreeing with a President they dislike and didn't vote for, they are trying to turn him in to a literary trope of evil personified by their language. "He's not one of us" "he's different". These are age old loving stereotypes used to discriminate against An Other, and I don't necessarily wanna call it racist, so much as ingrained in modern society, because presented with their prejudices they will back off and claim NO NO NO, We only hate Frankenstein's monster because he ATTACKED, not because he was an abomination against God!

Wasn't it Muslims who slammed the movie clamming they would never do that sort of organized terror campaign? Plus the movie had some important messages that were actually sort of anti-terrorist as well as anti-overreacting. Such as kidnapping a target and illegally detanining him as well as the overreaction by the military that would create a future generation of terrorists.

chesh
Apr 19, 2004

That was terrible.

notcreativeenough posted:

Wasn't it Muslims who slammed the movie clamming they would never do that sort of organized terror campaign? Plus the movie had some important messages that were actually sort of anti-terrorist as well as anti-overreacting. Such as kidnapping a target and illegally detanining him as well as the overreaction by the military that would create a future generation of terrorists.

Muslim, Arab, and interfaith groups, yes, as well as groups like the Council on American-Islamic Relations. Everything else you said is correct.

Ed Zwick, the director, also pointed out that half the bad guys in the movie are the American military and government, but you don't see the Pentagon out protesting at theaters.

Interesting interview with him just after 9/11.

notcreativeenough
Mar 8, 2010

by Fistgrrl
For those emails mentioning how bad Obama is for the economy might want to point to this article. Also goes for how tax cuts spur job creation. http://www.nationaljournal.com/njmagazine/nj_20100515_5237.php?mrefid=site_search

"If the economy produces jobs over the next eight months at the same pace as it did over the past four months, the nation will have created more jobs in 2010 alone than it did over the entire eight years of George W. Bush's presidency."

downout
Jul 6, 2009

Ahh, my uncle:

quote:

So, Apparently it is the time! Obama has unleashed the hordes... In case you didn't notice we have been having all sorts of “unfortunate” accidents and misclaims throughout the Tea Party. One must surmise from these incidents that the lizard people are moving among us freely now!

If you are not aware of this movement, then I would arm yourself well. A dag is know to make the ruckus in the event of a close lizard encounter. REPEAT: IF A DOG IS YELPING COME A HELPING! That is a sure sign of the invasion in your area. What one needs to “know” is that this nation is approaching it's end. And now is the time for all of us “real” christians to rise up and claim our mantle of saviors. It is our time to state “that we will no go quietly into the knight” and we will not be peaceful!!!. We did not embrace manifest destiny to have it wipenened from our slate so cleanly!! We must make our stand now before 0BAMA sets us up for takeover. We did not ask for this takeover! We have not accepted it and we WILLL NOTT! It is our time for our generation to become the NEW GREAT GENRATION. I ASK ALL THAT I KNOW TO STEP UP WITH ME NOW! It is time usure in the second genration of soldiers to step forward and accept what must be done. Now is the time that we must become what we are expected to be. We cannot wait any longer. We most go now and root out the evil before it consumes us! Whenever you see the police coming to your door, you make sure to ask them for some evidence of their citizenship. They are not allowed to question you if they are not citizens. ALL CITIZENS MUST KNOW THIS TO PROTECT THEIR RIGHTS!! CITIZENS MUST PROTECT THEIR RIGHTS! All must be prepared and keep their power dry. We have their resilence and now we must have more than that readyness. If they come call your neybors to tell them that now is the time. The word will spread quickly and WE are ready! Keep all com on 104fm!

Fwd:::::: this to all you know to protect our nation! Every ten gets you ten points, every five get you 4, and everone below that gets your 1! And we ARE COUNTING!

Ya, he is very insane.

crime fighting hog
Jun 29, 2006

I only pray, Heaven knows when to lift you out

downout posted:

A dag is know to make the ruckus in the event of a close lizard encounter.

What the gently caress? Does he mean dog?

Bobby Digital
Sep 4, 2009

crime fighting hog posted:

What the gently caress? Does he mean dog?

Good dags. Do ya like dags?

iLurk
Jul 25, 2007

Who wants to get PREGNANT?!?

crime fighting hog posted:

What the gently caress? Does he mean dog?

Its just like them taking their jerbs.

jackpot
Aug 31, 2004

First cousin to the Black Rabbit himself. Such was Woundwort's monument...and perhaps it would not have displeased him.<

downout posted:

Ahh, my uncle:
If he's serious, then you win the thread hands down. Lizard people, goddamn.

Bernard du Bomme
Apr 1, 2006
I know it's a sin but tell me it happens.
How would one keep one's power 'dry' (aside from questioning the police for proof of citizenship, of course)? And how do I tell my neybors about this without the lizard people finding out?

Also, I really like that the dogs are on his side.

p.s. in all seriousness, is your uncle schizophrenic? did he write this himself?

e: spulling

De Nomolos
Jan 17, 2007

TV rots your brain like it's crack cocaine

jackpot posted:


"The sheriff is a n-----!"

"Now who could argue with that!?"

I live thousands of miles from the border, but that doesn't stop my relatives in the Inland Empire, CA from sending out this poo poo (the day after sending out graduation invites, sigh, guess I can't block them if they're going to still send family annoucements)

quote:


Report from Cochise County , Arizona
By T.J. Woodard <http://www.americanthinker.com/tj_woodard/>

Being an avid American Thinker (AT) reader, and living on the Arizona border in Cochise County, I thought I would provide those who wish to be informed some insight into the truth about the state of the U.S.-Mexican border -- at least in this part of the state.

I moved to Cochise County after retiring from the Army in 2008 to take a position working at Fort Huachuca (pronounced "wa-choo-ka," an Apache word meaning "place of thunder" and referring to the time after the summer monsoon season). Having lived here in 1991 for eight months while attending an Army school, I soon realized that the place had changed considerably in the eighteen years of my absence.

The first thing I noticed was how many border patrol vehicles were on the roads in the city of Sierra Vista . The Border Patrol has a large station near here in the city of Naco . There are far more Border Patrol vehicles in the area than SV police cars. They come in many forms -- trucks for off-road work, trailers carrying all-terrain vehicles, pickups with capacity for carrying large numbers of people once apprehended, and even a staff car for the area chaplain. The Border Patrol presence has grown substantially, so one would think the border area was nice and safe.

Not so. Within a short time after arriving in southern Arizona while on my way to work, I noticed eight illegal immigrants on the side of the road. Fortunately, they were in the custody of capable and attentive Border Patrol agents. Unfortunately, they were less than a hundred feet from my daughter's bus stop. She gets personal service to school now, as the school district refuses to enter the gated community in which we live. There is a nice wash, a valley into which the rainwater drains during the monsoons, which provides a nice route for the illegals to follow into the city, and therefore into their locations for pickup by the vehicles that will get them farther north.

Later, after I attended a movie on a Friday night, a car passed by me in the next lane going nearly a hundred miles an hour. It took a few seconds before I saw the police behind -- way behind -- with lights and sirens, trying to catch up. Surprise, surprise -- the next morning's paper discussed a Mexican drug runner being caught by County Sheriff 's Deputies. On several occasions, the Border Patrol's helicopter has flown low and slow over the neighborhood, rattling windows and shining its spotlight in our backyard. When this happens, I strap on my pistol, grab a flashlight, and look and listen. Fortunately, I haven't found anybody within a hundred yards of the house -- yet.

Working on a U.S. Army fort, one would think we were fairly secure from these threats. Just not true. Reading the Fort Huachuca newspaper one morning, I noticed an interesting part of the "community" page. It asked for volunteers to assist in cleaning up "dumps" on posts where the illegals would drop their supplies used to cross the border and change clothing. They do this in order to blend in and not look like they just spent a day or two crossing the border in the dust and heat of southern Arizona . The most frightening part of this is that Fort Huachuca is the U.S. Army Intelligence Center, where the Army trains its intelligence soldiers -- analysts, interrogators, radio intercept specialists, and counterintelligence agents -- for operations overseas. If we can't secure the fort we use to train our intelligence soldiers, how can we secure anything else?

Much has been discussed about the new law in Arizona making it unlawful to be in Arizona in violation of federal immigration statutes. However, much less has been discussed about the shooting of rancher Robert Krentz. Robert was killed on his ranch on March 28, 2010. His ranch, on which the family began grazing cattle in 1907 (Arizona became a state in 1912), is a large, 35,000-acre area in remote Cochise County . It is so remote that the original Cochise, an Apache leader, used the mountainous terrain near it to hide from the U.S. Cavalry in the early 1870s. But much less is being said about the eight illegal immigrants and their load of 280 pounds of marijuana seized the day <http://www.wilcoxrangenews.com/articles/2010/04/01/news01> before Krentz was killed.

So Arizona should be boycotted because its people would like to keep it safe? Somebody please explain the logic of that for me. It doesn't take a bullet from a drug runner's gun to make those of us down here near the border understand that this is drug-related violence -- and Rob's death proves it.

It also doesn't take much more reading to see that the drug dealers are a huge problem with far-reaching capabilities. On April 27, 2010, a large drug bust took place here in Cochise County . Among those arrested was Angelica Marie Borquez <http://www.kgun9.com/Global/story.asp?S=12386796> , the secretary for the Drug Enforcement Division of the Cochise County Attorney office. Allegedly, Ms. Borquez was tipping off the drug runners to counter drug operations conducted by the county. She was so bold that she used the phone in the County Attorney 's office to make some of her calls.

This isn't a blatant effort by drug cartels to obtain control here in America ?

Many have already called Arizona residents racists. They are concerned that police will profile Hispanics and disproportionally harass them. But we understand something others in Washington , D.C. and San Francisco don't seem to remember -- we border Mexico . The fact is that most illegal immigrants coming across the border here are, well, Mexicans. Those of us down here facing the danger every day really don't care what some Hollywood actor has to say about the issue. Nor do we care about what the Colombian government or the Latino music community thinks of it. We just want to stay safe.

This is not about race; it's about facts. Use a few of these facts the next time somebody wants to engage you in discussion about the border. Tell him you learned these things from somebody who can see Mexico from his front porch.

T.J. Woodard is a retired Army officer who lives less than ten miles from the Mexican border. He carries a pistol even in his own house in order to be prepared to defend his family whenever necessary.

the yellow dart
Jul 19, 2004

King of rings, armlocks, hugs, and our hearts
The funny thing about Fort Huachuca is that it is loving huge and there are roads that run through it, where your average citizen can drive through unfettered. It would take an insane amount of manpower and fencing to "secure" the entire fort, and as such they're not even going to try. My uncle and cousins drive through it all the time (they live in Sierra Vista) and there is no easy way to get around in that area without going through the Fort.

Also I wonder if people sometimes forget that human rights and security are not essentially at odds with one another all the freaking time. Presumption of guilt based on nothing but the whims of the police is ridiculous.

Intel&Sebastian
Oct 20, 2002

colonel...
i'm trying to sneak around
but i'm dummy thicc
and the clap of my ass cheeks
keeps alerting the guards!

the yellow dart posted:

Also I wonder if people sometimes forget that human rights and security are not essentially at odds with one another all the freaking time. Presumption of guilt based on nothing but the whims of the police is ridiculous.

That's what bothers me most about sentiments like that email. They don't even consider that this horrible monster known as the rest of the United States doesn't believe that every guy standing outside of their home depot or selling orange by the on-ramp is an American Citizen that they're all just race-hating on.

We do understand that yes, the vast majority of illegal immigrants you're dealing with are latino in nationality/look/race/whatever. What you're not understanding is that there's a baseline of civil liberties that you don't get to cross just because it's palatable to white voters.

The outrage isn't over the rest of us not realizing you have a problem with a latino face on it. The outrage is over the fact that the solutions you've come up with are knee-jerk laziness that stomp on national values.

Pththya-lyi
Nov 8, 2009

THUNDERDOME LOSER 2020

quote:

Within a short time after arriving in southern Arizona while on my way to work, I noticed eight illegal immigrants on the side of the road. Fortunately, they were in the custody of capable and attentive Border Patrol agents. Unfortunately, they were less than a hundred feet from my daughter's bus stop. She gets personal service to school now, as the school district refuses to enter the gated community in which we live.

Oh no, his daughter was in close proximity to a bunch of filthy illegals! Their hideous visages and vulgar jabberings must haunt her nightmares even now.

Also, the throwaway line about the gated community kind of undermines the "regular American" image he's trying to cultivate, doesn't it?

Deuce
Jun 18, 2004
Mile High Club

The Ugly Duchess posted:

Oh no, his daughter was in close proximity to a bunch of filthy illegals! Their hideous visages and vulgar jabberings must haunt her nightmares even now.

Also, the throwaway line about the gated community kind of undermines the "regular American" image he's trying to cultivate, doesn't it?

No you see he grabs his gun every time he thinks there might be brown people around. He hasn't got to shoot one yet, but he's sure the day will come soon!

herbaceous backson
Mar 10, 2009

by FactsAreUseless

Deuce posted:

No you see he grabs his gun every time he thinks there might be brown people around. He hasn't got to shoot one yet, but he's sure the day will come soon!

You could replace "illegals" with white trash/meth addicts/bikers, and border patrol with sheriff's deputies and and it would describe like half the rural areas I've lived in.

Oh no a cop pulled someone over on the side of the road and I saw a helicopter circling! There's trash dumped in the woods, white people NEVER do that!

Guess I'm facing down the danger every day too.

RagnarokAngel
Oct 5, 2006

Black Magic Extraordinaire

a handful of dust posted:

You could replace "illegals" with white trash/meth addicts/bikers, and border patrol with sheriff's deputies and and it would describe like half the rural areas I've lived in.

Oh no a cop pulled someone over on the side of the road and I saw a helicopter circling! There's trash dumped in the woods, white people NEVER do that!

Guess I'm facing down the danger every day too.

I honestly have to wonder what its like to be that paranoid and fearful on a day to day basis. One would think the stress would literally kill you.

Edit: Content!

quote:

Mexican Standoff 04/03/06

I don’t know how everybody else feels about it, but to me I think Hispanic people in this country, legally or illegally, made a huge public relations mistake with their recent demonstrations.

I don’t blame anybody in the world for wanting to come to the United States of America, as it is a truly wonderful place. But when the first thing you do when you set foot on American soil is illegal it is flat out wrong and I don’t care how many lala land left heads come out of the woodwork and start trying to give me sensitivity lessons.

I don’t need sensitivity lessons, in fact I don’t have anything against Mexicans, I just have something against criminals and anybody who comes into this country illegally is a criminal and if you don’t believe it try coming into America from a foreign country without a passport and see how far you get.

What disturbs me about the demonstrations is that it’s tantamount to saying, “I am going to come into your country even if it means breaking your laws and there’s nothing you can do about it.”

It’s an “in your face” action and speaking just for me I don’t like it one little bit and if there were a half dozen pairs of gonads in Washington bigger than English peas it wouldn’t be happening.

Where are you, you bunch of lilly livered, pantywaist, forked tongued, sorry excuses for defenders of The Constitution? Have you been drinking the water out of the Potomac again?

And even if you pass a bill on immigration it will probably be so pork laden and watered down that it won’t mean anything anyway. Besides, what good is another law going to do when you won’t enforce the ones on the books now?

And what ever happened to the polls guys? I thought you folks were the quintessential finger wetters. Well you sure ain’t paying any attention to the polls this time because somewhere around eighty percent of Americans want something done about this mess, and mess it is and getting bigger everyday.

This is no longer a problem, it is a dilemma and headed for being a tragedy. Do you honestly think that what happened in France with the Muslims can’t happen here when the businesses who hire these people finally run out of jobs and a few million disillusioned Hispanics take to the streets?

If you, Mr. President, Congressmen and Senators, knuckle under on this and refuse to do something meaningful it means that you care nothing for the kind of country your children and grandchildren will inherit.

But I guess that doesn’t matter as long as you get re-elected.

Shame on you.

Pray for our troops.

What do you think?

God Bless America

Charlie Daniels

RagnarokAngel fucked around with this message at 17:34 on May 18, 2010

Hardcore Phonography
Apr 28, 2004

I have my eye on a suite in Baker Street.
2006? I didn't know conservatives were into recycling :smug:

BetterToRuleInHell
Jul 2, 2007

Touch my mask top
Get the chop chop
Message about illegals? Pray for our troops.

Message about socialism? Pray for our troops.

Message about Obama's birth certificate? Pray for our troops.

Blah blah blah blah blah? Pray for our troops.

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jackpot
Aug 31, 2004

First cousin to the Black Rabbit himself. Such was Woundwort's monument...and perhaps it would not have displeased him.<

BetterToRuleInHell posted:

Pray for our troops.
Dear Lord, this year you took my favorite actor, Patrick Swayze. You took my favorite actress, Farrah Fawcett. You took my favorite singer, Michael Jackson. I just wanted to let you know, my favorite person in the world is the United States Marine.

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