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Civil posted:I read the whole set of the OPs, and god drat, I wish my wife would have seen this years ago. I met her during her last year of law school, and even 2 years after her graduation, we are sitting on a massive pile of her school debt. On top of that, she realized that jobs in the legal field paid so low that she ended up getting work as a business consultant (no law degree required) and is making 2x as much as she would have as a lawyer. Haha you didn't marry your wife, you married her debt and lovely job prospects Two words: Due Diligence
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Incredulous Red posted:Two words: Due Diligence 
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May 16, 2010 21:46
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JudicialRestraints posted:On the plus side, now your wife can think like a lawyer - who can put a price on a valuable skill like that? $150,000
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May 16, 2010 21:47
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Incredulous Red posted:Haha you didn't marry your wife, you married her debt and lovely job prospects Business consulting isn't a lovely job prospect. It pays more than lawyering. But yeah, the debt, it sucks. We'll have it knocked out in a few years, but only because I'm pretty much debt-free and I make okay money. I know a couple that married out of law school, and I know they're hurting pretty bad, since they both ended up with clerking positions in a smaller city, which means they're probably making $70 - 80k combined.
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May 16, 2010 21:50
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Ainsley McTree posted:$150,000 Not worth it.
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May 16, 2010 21:51
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Ersatz posted:I completed a note this semester defending mandated network neutrality against potential First Amendment claims (counterintuitively, ISPs can be expected, once their administrative law arguments run out, to claim that the FCC's rules interfere with constitutionally protected editorial control). The note hinges on convincing the reader that the concentration of broadband market power is such that intervention is necessary to ensure the smooth operation of the marketplace of ideas. Luckily, communications jurisprudence is relatively sophisticated in the way that it deals with natural monopoly and network effects, so there's a lot out there to work with. Thanks, this looks really helpful. I'll download the articles and re-read The Future of Ideas. I figured there must be stuff about natural monopolies in either the law and economics or communications law journals, so this is also useful. I have to do more research, but from what little I know I think some of the early telephone interconnection stuff is probably going to be helpful for me. While it has the added degree of complexity of physical infrastructure, the underlying dynamics of network effects seem fairly analogous. Could you email me your paper (petey@somethingawful.com)? I won't be able to look at this stuff right away but I will drop you a line if I have any questions. Thanks again!
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May 16, 2010 21:52
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nm posted:We;ve been doing pretty good, last few weeks: Now 4-0 in last 4 trials. Get crackin' buddy.
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Civil posted:On top of that, she realized that jobs in the legal field paid so low that she ended up getting work as a business consultant (no law degree required) and is making 2x as much as she would have as a lawyer. Is that actually a viable alternative to practicing law? Or, is that her falling back on her undergrad/former life? Alternatively, does anyone know how I could set up a business consulting school to hand out BC degrees and charge $30,000 a year for the privilege of attending? Haven't you guys heard, it pays better than the legal field! 
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Torpor posted:Is that actually a viable alternative to practicing law? Or, is that her falling back on her undergrad/former life? If you have any sort of technical degree, even stuff not related to IT (ex: any sort of of engineering, physics, math) Deloitte's consulting wing will pay you ~60+k/year to be a "Business Technology Analyst". Of course, you'll be 100% travel (think George Clooney's character in 'Up In The Air') and 50-60 hour/week grinds, but if you're willing to have no life in order to save up money (or pay off undergrad debt) it's not too terrible... you can also leverage the name brand to get a decent salary job somewhere.
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GregNorc posted:If you have any sort of technical degree, even stuff not related to IT (ex: any sort of of engineering, physics, math) Deloitte's consulting wing will pay you ~60+k/year to be a "Business Technology Analyst". If you have a technical degree on the coasts you can up that by 10-20k with a year or three of experience (including bonus)
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GregNorc posted:If you have any sort of technical degree If I only had a technical degree.
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Torpor posted:Is that actually a viable alternative to practicing law? Or, is that her falling back on her undergrad/former life? I think most people that get a law degree are highly employable because of the general amount of knowledge and "learning to learn" that law school involves. It's just unfortunate that most entry-level law positions, even if you have passed the bar, are shittier than they should be. I made more starting as an engineer than most lawyers will with 3 yrs more school as I had. It doesn't seem fair, but that's the breaks. For those with law degrees that feel that law work doesn't pay enough, find something else related to your undergrad degree.
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Civil posted:I think most people that get a law degree are highly employable because of the general amount of knowledge and "learning to learn" that law school involves. "throw together a well-designed outline the week before the final"?
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May 16, 2010 23:54
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evilweasel posted:"get a well-designed outline from someone else the week before the final"? This is a more accurate reflection in my experience.
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tau posted:This is a more accurate reflection in my experience. Law students put together terribly designed but exceptionally complete outlines, but cribbing the actual law from theirs and then organizing it better works pretty well.
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evilweasel posted:Law students put together terribly designed but exceptionally complete outlines, but cribbing the actual law from theirs and then organizing it better works pretty well. Perhaps if I make adjustments, I'll get more than B+s... Nah, probably not.
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Torpor posted:If I only had a technical degree. What is your degree in? What's your GPA?
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Civil posted:that feel that law work doesn't pay enough I think you're on the border between Trollville and Serioustown. I was at an interview on Friday and the employers asked me what my "pay expectations" were. I simply asked them if they paid at all. The employer responded, "Yes" and that was an entirely satisfactory answer to that question. And no, law degree holders are not "highly employable" outside of the law field. I think this thread has ample evidence that a law degree is more of a hindrance than a help when talking about non-legal employment since the prevailing view of society is that a law degree is a golden ticket (so why hire someone who is just going to turn and get a 6 figure job somewhere else right after training). I think I could get a consultant job at Potter's Distillery since I can just about tell which batch their vodka came out of by sight alone at this point. It's part of Thinking Like A Lawyer, so maybe my education wasn't all for naught.
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Petey posted:I have to do more research, but from what little I know I think some of the early telephone interconnection stuff is probably going to be helpful for me. While it has the added degree of complexity of physical infrastructure, the underlying dynamics of network effects seem fairly analogous. Sure thing - I just fired off the email. In terms of working by analogy to the phone system, I think that the best source from my first reply is definitely going to be Digital Crossroads. The authors do a fantastic job in that book of explaining the policies behind current communications regulation, with reference to the historical development of the phone system and lessons learned in dealing with natural monopoly and network effects. Their views and their sources are also completely orthodox, so you'll have firm ground to cite from in making your arguments.
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Torpor posted:And no, law degree holders are not "highly employable" outside of the law field. I think this thread has ample evidence that a law degree is more of a hindrance than a help when talking about non-legal employment since the prevailing view of society is that a law degree is a golden ticket (so why hire someone who is just going to turn and get a 6 figure job somewhere else right after training). I have sent resumes to starbucks, borders, and chipotle. I have not heard back from any of them. I've also sent resumes to 4 or 5 (non-law related) temp agencies. I have heard back from one of them. They said "sorry, can't help". yeah a law degree doesn't make you employable bro sorry
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I just found out that a classmate of mine killed himself soon after graduation. He was on law review and was engaged to be married too. And had a job to boot. Law school is awful.
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Ainsley McTree posted:I have sent resumes to starbucks, borders, and chipotle. I have not heard back from any of them. http://www.americorps.gov/for_individuals/choose/vista.asp Abandon all hope.
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Sounds like he had something going on other than law school though. As much as things kind of suck for me right now, I have no desire to die. I'll move back in with my parents before I...well, I guess we'll cross that bridge if we get to it actually
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Ersatz posted:Sure thing - I just fired off the email. In terms of working by analogy to the phone system, I think that the best source from my first reply is definitely going to be Digital Crossroads. The authors do a fantastic job in that book of explaining the policies behind current communications regulation, with reference to the historical development of the phone system and lessons learned in dealing with natural monopoly and network effects. Their views and their sources are also completely orthodox, so you'll have firm ground to cite from in making your arguments. Thanks, got it - I'll give it a read when I get a chance, and I'll definitely check out Digital Crossroads. Tim Wu was working on a book about this that he used to talk about back in 2007 but I don't know what happened to it - sent him an email too, maybe he can be of help.
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You don't need a JD to do public service work, just go do that now instead of waiting 3 years and spending a hundred thousand dollars.
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mrtoodles posted:Now 4-0 in last 4 trials. Get crackin' buddy.
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Tetrix posted:http://www.americorps.gov/for_individuals/choose/vista.asp http://www.americorps.gov/for_individuals/choose/vista.asp posted:
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poofactory posted:drat, that's harsh. lmbo
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no dogs, irish, or JDs issued since 2007
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poofactory posted:drat, that's harsh. Did you insert the "No JD's" for comedy value or are you getting a different version of that page than I am?
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Cormack posted:Did you insert the "No JD's" for comedy value or are you getting a different version of that page than I am? I'm pretty sure that's just a subtext. The "no JD's" need not be actually be enumerated.
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gently caress this hope-extinguishing thread. I will get into HLS.
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I've been reading this thread for ages now I just want to thank you all for letting me see the wisdom of my ways. I will likely end up starting law school this fall and I'm just glad to know that I will be continuing my life path of being chronically un/underemployed, spiraling into substance abuse and making terrible decisions that lead me into insurmountable debt. I wouldn't want it any other way.
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Duper posted:gently caress this hope-extinguishing thread. I will get into HLS. Why try to get into HLS when you could just, you know, do something productive with your life? The only erroneous part of this thread appears to be the people that regard the legal profession as some sort of bar upon which success is measured. You should be running for your life, but instead you attempt scorn on us posters who have been there and done that. Suit yourself, I guess, but don't say we didn't warn you. I suppose if you can just run in to Harvard the major concerns of this thread are mitigated. However, if you can get into HLS, why not get into any other Harvard graduate program? I would recommend them first--hell you'll probably be happier regardless of your employment outcomes and paid more. Whatever happens, good luck.
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Duper posted:gently caress this hope-extinguishing thread. I will get into HLS. and then everything will be roses
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After four years straight through an evening program with internships interspersed (no pay!  ), having to do an extra summer because he failed community property, and failing the bar, my husband still thinks he's going to be a lawyer dagnabbit and he'll have a job too.If he fails the July bar I'm dragging his happy as with me into the field while I work on my MA/PhD in archaeology. He can be my personal sifting bitch.
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Save me jeebus posted:After four years straight through an evening program with internships interspersed (no pay! "Just pretend you're sifting through the jagged, broken remains of your pride, honey!"
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Save me jeebus posted:After four years straight through an evening program with internships interspersed (no pay! Want an upgrade?
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Abugadu posted:"Just pretend you're sifting through the jagged, broken remains of your pride, honey!" Hey at least he'd have a job.
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