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GregNorc posted:How common is it to be able to arrange something like this:
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im working for the state government this summer and im actually saying "oh my god i hope i can ride this out for two more years" because honestly the prospect of just a partially-stable job sounds amazing.
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May 17, 2010 15:20
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GregNorc posted:(coupled with the low pay assuming I could finagle get some sort of cyberlaw/eff style gig)
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Duper posted:gently caress this hope-extinguishing thread. I will get into HLS. So? I had one of those coveted big-firm jobs. I was super busy for a good portion of my time there, and actually made my billable target 10 months into the year. It was miserable, but that's the trade-off you make and I accepted that. Then the client that was responsible for 85% of my billables got pissed at something someone else screwed up, stopped giving us work, and 2 months after that I was canned for a bunch of "performance issues" that had never been mentioned to me before. Today is the 6-month anniversary of when I found out I was getting canned. Since then, my credentials that managed to get me that job and my experience at the firm has led to all of three interviews and no offers. Even if you are one of the lucky successful ones, all it does is put you in a position for assholes to run your life, then ruin your career.
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May 17, 2010 15:45
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GregNorc posted:I can't really beat myself up too bad though... "Being the next JZ" is probably a bit ambitious of a goal... You should just gently caress that guy you're so in love with instead.
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OptimistPrime posted:So? I had one of those coveted big-firm jobs. I was super busy for a good portion of my time there, and actually made my billable target 10 months into the year. It was miserable, but that's the trade-off you make and I accepted that. Then the client that was responsible for 85% of my billables got pissed at something someone else screwed up, stopped giving us work, and 2 months after that I was canned for a bunch of "performance issues" that had never been mentioned to me before. And even when you are working, the second you think you're getting the hang of things, something will come along and boot you right in the gut.
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May 17, 2010 16:09
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First day at my crim/PI firm job. Got here at 8am, boss showed up at 9am. They use word perfect. There's two clerks, only 1 laptop. Given 3 case files. I don't know what is going on.
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May 17, 2010 16:12
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Yojimbo Sancho posted:First day at my crim/PI firm job. Got here at 8am, boss showed up at 9am. They use word perfect. There's two clerks, only 1 laptop. Given 3 case files. I don't know what is going on. Read the case files and familiarize yourself with the fact patterns. Look at the docket control order and see where the case is. Think about what you'd like to know, and then beg the secretary/clerks for form interrogatories/RFD.
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May 17, 2010 16:26
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I gave my notice today at my law firm, and everyone was really happy for me. They were also very grateful I gave six weeks' notice so they can find someone to replace me. I'm glad that's done.
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May 17, 2010 17:17
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Is that Americorps link still valid? I think that was a typo, although I'm sure that organizations probably got bombarded with a bunch of people trying to get service grants for ramshackle pro-bono services for desperate graduates.
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May 17, 2010 17:58
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GregNorc posted:How common is it to be able to arrange something like this: this is an elaborate troll, and this thread falls for it over and over e- isn't this the 5th time? there are 50 negative responses, he won't say anything, and in a month he'll go on and on about this JZ dude again and being a cyborg lawyer with a PhD in internet hacking _areaman fucked around with this message at 19:33 on May 17, 2010 |
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May 17, 2010 19:31
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When I was a freshman at a public ivy college in the South, I lived next to two jocks who were very much unlike the nerdy jesus freaks who populated the rest of the dorm. They partied, watched porn, asked the kid with cerebral palsy to "get me some fries with that shake", and were generally pretty chill. One of them was very smart, but the other incredibly dumb (we're talking sub-1100 on the old SATs dumb), and had only been accepted because he was one of the top ranked athletes in his sport in the country at the time. He was from Miami, and grew up on 8th Street, and knew the guys who ran the eponymous porn site. He ended up transferring after being put on academic probation his freshman year, but before he did that he had some fun. But having fun in a southern college can be confusing, because many of the students are still wrestling with the freedom college gives them in the context of their hard-right Christian upbringing. One night this kid - call him Blake, it fits - was hooking up with a girl. He was a good looking guy, she was all over him, few months into college. They went back to his room, yada yada yada, and the next morning he awoke to find her despairing, accusing him of having tricked her into sinful behavior with his dashing tempting good looks. (I'm not trying to trivialize date rape etc, but this wasn't a case of that - it was a girl who fully consented to activity with him but felt horribly guilty about jesus the next morning) Anyway, Blake was shaken, because this wasn't long after Duke, so he wrote up a contract (in sub-1100 on the SATs English) that said something to the effect of "yo, by signing this official contract of law you hereby consent to all acts of freak that may be be perpetrated upon this bed by his sexual majesty blake, etc etc etc", made a hundred copies, hung them above his bed with a little pen on a chain, and made girls sign the second they answered his room I haven't seen or spoken with Blake since we both transferred, but he just popped up on my News Feed today with an educational announcement: [T14] Class of 2013 Looks like he decided to make a career out of his prior experience with contracts.
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May 17, 2010 20:21
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Calling it now, he will get a job
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May 17, 2010 20:27
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Can we just update the OP with Q: I want to do Cyberlaw/Internet Law/Work for the EFF, KEI, or some other similar organization A: Too bad. You can't. Thanks in advance.
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May 17, 2010 20:29
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Petey posted:When I was a freshman at a public ivy college in the South, I lived next to two jocks who were very much unlike the nerdy jesus freaks who populated the rest of the dorm. They partied, watched porn, asked the kid with cerebral palsy to "get me some fries with that shake", and were generally pretty chill. can't wait to meet my new duke brother
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May 17, 2010 21:28
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Petey posted:sub-1100 on the old SATs... academic probation... [T14] Class of 2013. URM? Or are law schools finally getting really serious about the UVA softball tournament?
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May 17, 2010 21:50
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ewr2870 posted:URM? Or are law schools finally getting really serious about the UVA softball tournament? white as snow
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May 17, 2010 22:01
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ewr2870 posted:URM? Or are law schools finally getting really serious about the UVA softball tournament? Low scores must mean the person is an underrepresented minority student?
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May 17, 2010 23:41
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Petey posted:But having fun in a southern college can be confusing, because many of the students are still wrestling with the freedom college gives them in the context of their hard-right Christian upbringing. Duke is not a southern college. It's filled with people from the Northeast and West. TyChan posted:Low scores must mean the person is an underrepresented minority student? No, it means they get in at highly ranked schools with lovely test scores. Touchy much?
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May 17, 2010 23:55
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TyChan posted:Low scores must mean the person is an underrepresented minority student? No. I was asking because has low scores and yet is at a T14. URM candidates are far more likely to get into T14s with low scores and bad grades than are other candidates. This isn't news. 
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May 17, 2010 23:59
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ewr2870 posted:No. I was asking because has low scores and yet is at a T14. URM candidates are far more likely to get into T14s with low scores and bad grades than are other candidates. This isn't news.
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May 18, 2010 00:18
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I'm one petition away from being a 2L. It's so close I can taste it.
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May 18, 2010 00:37
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gvibes posted:For the stark numbers behind some law school admissions, you can always look at the sixth circuit grutter decision. I think the dissent had the numbers, and determined how much of an advantage being black gave you at Michigan. Sixth Circuit Grutter dissent posted:The figures indicate that race is worth over one full grade point of college average or at least an 11-point and 20-percentile boost on the LSAT.
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May 18, 2010 01:03
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ewr2870 posted:No. I was asking because has low scores and yet is at a T14. URM candidates are far more likely to get into T14s with low scores and bad grades than are other candidates. This isn't news. This might be news to goons, but schools do actually like college athletes. It's a pretty good soft to have.
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May 18, 2010 01:17
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ewr2870 posted:Wow. Even more than I thought: wah wah poor me a white with no privilege
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May 18, 2010 01:28
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Blinkz0rz posted:wah wah poor me a white with no privilege It's like hanging out with my law school classmates all over again!
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May 18, 2010 01:39
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Save me jeebus posted:After four years straight through an evening program with internships interspersed (no pay!
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), having to do an extra summer because he failed community property, and failing the bar, my husband still thinks he's going to be a lawyer dagnabbit and he'll have a job too.
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quepasa18 posted:I gave my notice today at my law firm, and everyone was really happy for me. They were also very grateful I gave six weeks' notice so they can find someone to replace me. I'm glad that's done.
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May 18, 2010 01:46
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Blinkz0rz posted:wah wah poor me a white with no privilege
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ewr2870 posted:
You assumed that a dude who had lovely SAT scores and was placed on academic probation during college but got into a T14 was a URM. If that's not racist as gently caress then I don't know what is.
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Blinkz0rz posted:If that's not racist as gently caress then I don't know what is. ewr2870 fucked around with this message at 02:17 on May 18, 2010 |
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May 18, 2010 02:14
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gvibes posted:For the stark numbers behind some law school admissions, you can always look at the sixth circuit grutter decision. I think the dissent had the numbers, and determined how much of an advantage being black gave you at Michigan. Did they compute how much of an numerical advantage being white gave you for Mich? Tim Wise did. Hint: it's much more! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6uH0vpGZJCo (go to 4:10 for the numbers)
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May 18, 2010 02:18
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nah, it's definitely purty racist
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ewr2870 posted:Then clearly you don't. Let me give you a hint. There are a million other possible reasons that could explain why a person who did poorly on the SAT and was placed on academic probation during college could have got into a T14. Perhaps he studied his rear end off and got a 175 on the LSAT. Maybe he had two bad semesters that forced him onto academic probation but got straight As after that. But you didn't consider any of those factors. You assumed the person was a minority because in your mind there's no way that someone with poor SAT scores and academic issues in college could get into a good law school without being a minority. You're pretty racist dude, I don't know how else to explain it to you.
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Blinkz0rz posted:You assumed that a dude who had lovely SAT scores and was placed on academic probation during college but got into a T14 was a URM. Then you don't know what one is, yeah. If he has bad test-taking abilities, it's reasonable to assume he didn't knock the LSAT out of the park, if he was placed on academic probation, it's reasonable to assume his GPA wasn't stellar. That means it's likely he had some other "in" and URM is a reasonable guess because in law school given the rankings there are few others. It's not racist in any way because you're not linking his grades or his intelligence to his race in any way: you're linking the fact that he got in despite them to it. Without the "got into a T14" it's racist to assume that, with that it's not. If you consider that racist, I don't know how you deal with that chart in the first post.
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evilweasel posted:Then you don't know what one is, yeah. 1. There are any number of mitigating factors that may explain why he did poorly on one standardized test taken before 2005 and did better on one taken recently. 2. I know a number of people who did poorly their freshman and sophomore years in college, were placed on academic probation, transferred to a different school and ended up with high GPAs. The same thing happened to me. I got put on probation my freshman year and graduated magna cum laude. The point is that poor performance in the beginning of your academic career doesn't necessarily bar you from going to a good law school. 3. The factor linking this person's situation to race was ewr2870 saying: ewr2870 posted:URM? Or are law schools finally getting really serious about the UVA softball tournament? His assumption was that because a person didn't fit his initial profile of a person who would make it into a T14 school, there must be some other mitigating factor. That could be true. He could be a legacy, or famous, or any number of other things that might make this T14's admissions department choose him over someone else. But ewr2870 went with the guy being a URM. That's pretty loving racist.
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Blinkz0rz posted:That could be true. He could be a legacy, or famous, or any number of other things that might make this T14's admissions department choose him over someone else. Yeah I mean I did spend a lot of time talking about his athletic prowess, and someone else did mention (tongue in cheek) softball success. I don't think ewr or evilweasel were malicious I just think it's a symptom of a lot of the discourse (and more importantly deep seated generalized resentment) of affirmative action in law school admissions. I mean, I work in undergraduate admissions now, and I see it all the time among kids we don't accept - honing in on a racial difference, real or imagined, rather than a billion other things that explain the acceptance/rejection equally well. It's simply how people think of it.
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Blinkz0rz posted:
How is that racist when he has no clue as to the race of the person? If anything it is badmouthing the law schools saying they just take people who are underqualified.
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Blinkz0rz posted:That's pretty loving racist. Blinkz0rz posted:1. There are any number of mitigating factors that may explain why he did poorly on one standardized test taken before 2005 and did better on one taken recently. Blinkz0rz posted:2. I know a number of people who did poorly their freshman and sophomore years in college, were placed on academic probation, transferred to a different school and ended up with high GPAs. The same thing happened to me. I got put on probation my freshman year and graduated magna cum laude. The point is that poor performance in the beginning of your academic career doesn't necessarily bar you from going to a good law school. Blinkz0rz posted:His assumption was that because a person didn't fit his initial profile of a person who would make it into a T14 school, there must be some other mitigating factor. That could be true. He could be a legacy, or famous, or any number of other things that might make this T14's admissions department choose him over someone else. But ewr2870 went with the guy being a URM. EDIT: Which is not to say that all or even most of those minority admits will have benefited from AA.. just that some not-insignificant proportion of those candidates will have. Petey posted:[A]nd someone else did mention (tongue in cheek) softball success. ewr2870 fucked around with this message at 02:48 on May 18, 2010 |
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Mr. Fictitious posted:whatcha doing instead Teaching paralegal classes at the local community college. I've been doing that half-time for the past two years, and will now be full-time.
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