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One of my coworkers was told that she was fortunate to have gotten her ADN because the BSN would become the entry-level degree soon, and all community college nursing programs would become obsolete; that was 32 years ago. It isn't a new idea, and it isn't any closer to happening today than it was in 1985. There's no point in doing the CC thing, unless it's all you can afford, or you're confident that you won't pursue advanced practice, or it gets you graduated faster, or you have other problems like child-care, class scheduling... MSN entry into practice has been a subject of debate since it first came into existence. I (my opinion) do not believe (and I'd really like an RN or even a MD/DO to disagree with me) that any education alone prepares a person for the bedside. This is why most advanced practice programs require at least 2 years of acute or ICU employment; it is also why some very good students struggle with the NCLEX and/or employment. The education imparts a body of knowledge, offers basic clinical exposure, and prepares a graduate for the licensing exam. There are countless things which are essential to the job which must be learned on the job. This is why every RN job requires a period of orientation, even for moves within the same hospital, and why most critical units consider a new RN to be on a sort of probation (help me out here ICU guys) for months; I know at my hospital it's a year in the ICU before ICU RNs will be considered for training in advanced equipment like intercoolers, balloon pumps, LVADs or apheresis. Now, some direct-entry MSN programs are intended to be accelerated FNP (family nurse practitioner) programs; in my experience, these programs offer zero benefit (no more pay or security than an ADN) to the RN seeking a job as an RN, but can offer a shorter path for a person seeking FNP (if said person is starting from an unrelated BS/BA).
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Ohthehugemanatee posted:Oh hey, it's me from two years ago! Yep, still have a subtle mixture of excitement and foreboding. Time for me to find something awesome to do.
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Thanks for the advice! I was thinking that the BSN would be the best idea in the long run. I was under the impression that GWU was a private school for some reason, and now that I've realized that it's not I feel much better about the possibility of going there.
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A follow up question: are any of you or do any of you know any hearing impaired nurses? I've been wearing hearing aids since I was in elementary school, and I did find in my jobs as a teacher assistant and substitute, my imperfect hearing had a negative impact (in terms of being considered competent by coworkers and having older students take advantage of me). I kind of worry about hearing impairment being seen as a huge liability in nursing. I know that I would have more difficulty hearing alarms going off, for instance, than a normal hearing nurse would. I know that they make stethoscopes that work with hearing aids, but there's also the question of them not working well enough for me to get accurate vitals. I actually took a nursing course in high school, and at the time my instructor basically had to admit defeat and let me get by without doing vitals, because I can't hear a thing with my aids out and the earpieces in.  In theory employers can't discriminate against disabilities and hearing impairments, but in practice it happens all the drat time. I'm hoping that if I prove myself through school/certification/etc it wouldn't be AS big of a deal.
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squidtarts posted:A follow up question: are any of you or do any of you know any hearing impaired nurses? I've been wearing hearing aids since I was in elementary school, and I did find in my jobs as a teacher assistant and substitute, my imperfect hearing had a negative impact (in terms of being considered competent by coworkers and having older students take advantage of me). I was just wondering about this myself. I don't know any hearing impaired nurses, but I know they make electronic stethoscopes that work with hearing aids, so that shouldn't be a problem. There are electronic blood-pressure cuffs, too, and many facilities have them already. And I just interviewed for a position at a facility that doesn't use any alarms--the nurses and aides carry pagers that vibrate instead of an alarm or call light going off, and can see the information (room number, etc) on the screen. The theory behind that is that less noise promotes calmness and healing for the patients. There's a lot of technology around to help you, so good luck. 
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I will be going back to college this fall to finish up my AA (gen ed, no particular major). After that, I'm interested in two possible career paths -- nursing and social work. I worked as a CNA for a year. During that time I became very interested in nursing. I know what the profession entails and it's all very fascinating to me. However, I'm also interested in mental health, addictions, counseling, etc. which is where social work comes in. I know that nurses can and do work in those fields. But I feel like social work is more of a liberal arts / humanities type of degree, which I'm much more comfortable with academically. Ultimately, I guess I'm a bit intimidated by the difficulty of nursing school. Not that a social work degree wouldn't be challenging, but I feel I would have an easier time with it. I don't have any problem at all with the idea of being a social worker as my career except that I might miss the excitement of working in a hospital. Is it possible to get a BSN, work for a few years, and then get a MSW later on? Thanks guys, this is a great thread
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Very awesome thread. Some questions I was definitely wondering about were answered. One question I didn't notice/see which I'm curious about is off time. And I don't mean during your time at nursing school or post-graduate studies but for nurses which are well into their field and aren't going into or done their specialist courses. Just how much time, how many days a week etc. etc. do you get off work and do whatever? Is the answer different compared to a American RN vs. Canadian RN?
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I'm not sure I completely understand what you're getting at. If you are full time, that's about 40 hours a week. I work 12 hour shifts so I work 3 days a week and have four off. If you worked 8 hour shifts, you'd work 5 days and have 2 off, plus every month you get an extra rostered day off. (Australia here). If you are referring to holidays, I get six weeks of annual leave per year - although finding available time to take leave can be tricky. Hope that helps.
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I have worked as a midnight shift rear end-wiper of retarded people (not a nurse) for the last 4 years. You may think I'm insane, but it's the best job I ever had. There is one main reason I love it: DOWN TIME. That's right. Every night I get to draw, read, play video games, plan art projests, sleep, WHATEVER for a huge chunk of the night. THIS IS THE MOST IMPORTANT ASPECT OF A JOB FOR ME BECAUSE I'M ALLOWED TO DO MY THING AND IT RESULTS IN HAPPINESS. That being said I am about to embark on a 12 month LPN course with the goal of doing what I do now (close to nothing) except making $25 an hour instead of $9. I know it can be done because I have worked alongside LPNs who chilled out with me at night watching TV and playing games who were doing close to nothing. A friend of mine gets paid $25 an hour as an LPN to watch a baby sleep and take its temp every 4 hours. I know how grueling LPN boot camp can be because I tried it before and had to drop out due to financial problems but I'm in a different place now and I'm much more prepared. My question is: Why do nurses never talk openly about wanting to have stress free jobs? All you hear about is nurses going on about how stressful their situation is and how wonderfully nerve wracking it all is. What about easy jobs? Stress is a killer; co-workers are the bane of my existence... so why do I feel like I have to hide and lie about wanting to do as little as possible as a nurse? Based on my experiences in clinical, I feel like hospital jobs are incredibly unhappy places full of miserable back stabbing co workers. Is it wrong to reveal that I want to be alone and answer to as few people as possible? Or should I just shut up and pretend I cant wait to hit the OR floor for some involuntary 48 hour shifts? I dont want to be a hero. I just want to make a living and avoid ulcers. Is this legit? PS I dont mean to say I want to do a half-assed job. I plan on doing my work very competently. I'm just saying I don't want to be in a position where 20 people on my floor are trying to shift blame for their mistakes on me and put my license in jeopardy. Teachers in nursing school seemed to BRAG about how "nurses eat their young". The bitches think it's normal and actually get off on hazing young male nurses. Why do I even want to be around that environment?
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Jeephand posted:I have worked as a midnight shift rear end-wiper of retarded people (not a nurse) for the last 4 years. You may think I'm insane, but it's the best job I ever had. There is one main reason I love it: DOWN TIME. For the record I've worked at group homes for the mentally retarded. I've worked 3rd shift at the group homes. I know it can be quiet and hard to stay awake. There's always charting, cleaning, checking on the residents to be done tho. Video games and sleeping are/were not options. Jeephand posted:PS I dont mean to say I want to do a half-assed job. I plan on doing my work very competently. Sorry but that's exactly what you made it sound like. quote:I'm just saying I don't want to be in a position where 20 people on my floor are trying to shift blame for their mistakes on me and put my license in jeopardy. That's nursing...no nursing job is perfect and you're expected to hold yourself to high standards and have people beneath you that you're responsible for. If that worries you, nursing is probably the wrong career choice.
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Absolute Evil posted:So you want a job with good pay that allows you to pretend you're home doing your hobbies for most of the shift? Yeah. I do. So what? You do too. Absolute Evil posted:That's nursing...no nursing job is perfect and you're expected to hold yourself to high standards and have people beneath you that you're responsible for. If that worries you, nursing is probably the wrong career choice. Sounds like more "life sucks get used to it" talk that I hear all the time from embittered nurses. Life doesn't have to suck. Well, maybe it does for you, but not for me. So, any nurses here have any other great ideas about SUPER EASY and enjoyable work? Night shift in group homes is great and 1 on 1 home care seems to be amazingly stress free and high paying. I'd like more ideas so I can pursue those avenues. Its fine by me if you guys want to play martyr and act like heroes for sacrificing peace of mind for cash but if it doesn't have to be that way, why pretend it does?
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Jeephand posted:Yeah. I do. So what? You do too. Just so all the regulars know, this guy's trolling the living hell out of the Ask a Police Officer thread too. Ignore is a beautiful thing.
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chisquared posted:Just so all the regulars know, this guy's trolling the living hell out of the Ask a Police Officer thread too. Ignore is a beautiful thing. I dont see whats so troll about asking nurses for their experiences with stress free work environments. I think a lot of potential nurses would like to know how they can make money for not doing much. Whats so noble about being stressed out and miserable?
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First off I live in Canada. Recently I've been blessed with the gift of being laid off after being a car jockey for a couple of years and being put on employment insurance. I've been in university on and off since 2006 and now have the option to get a nice chunk of education paid for. I've been reading up on nursing and it seems to match my personality. The only college around my parts that offers the LPN course is backed up for 2 years, so an option for me is getting my health care aide certificate paid for. A plan for me is to get the health care aid certificate, work while getting my prereqs and going for my BSN in a year or two. Can any HCA's chime in and give a rough itinerary on how a typical shift goes?
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I have lots of questions for you nurses! What is a 'travelling nurse' exactly? What are 'assisted living' facilities? Nursing homes? What does 'home health care' work involve? Does night shift usually pay more and involve less work? Anyone have experience working in a fitness and wellness center? What does it entail? What does a midnight shift LPN in a Psych facility do most of the night? Is it stressful? What is midnight shift in a nursing home like? What does the term 'Private Duty' mean exactly? Thanks a million!
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Absolute Evil posted:I'm not in Canada, so is a HCA basically the same as a CNA (certified nursing assistant)? Yar. I'm also a guy so lifting won't be as strenuous, as apparently it's a big part of the job description.
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I only just found this thread, awesome. I'm a 20 year old dude and I've been in nursing school for almost 6 months now. The only thing I'm really struggling with so far is naming of Anatomy.. is this going to gently caress me in the long run? Out of 3 Anatomy units so far I've failed 2 because of naming. 
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Veg posted:I only just found this thread, awesome. I'm a 20 year old dude and I've been in nursing school for almost 6 months now. The only thing I'm really struggling with so far is naming of Anatomy.. is this going to gently caress me in the long run? Out of 3 Anatomy units so far I've failed 2 because of naming. I don't think telling a doctor "Yeah, the thing that goes in the thingy is hosed" will suffice.
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HollowYears posted:Yar. I'm also a guy so lifting won't be as strenuous, as apparently it's a big part of the job description. When I got hired on, the requirement was being able to lift 50 pounds. Pfft. I wish that was the maximum. There have been multiple times I've had to lift a 200 pound person up like a baby. A typical 2nd shift at the place I work: Get report from the nurse and previous shift aids. Pass linens/pads/gowns and ice Go through and do a check..make sure nobody is wet/dirty/uncomfortable One person begins giving the showers (we have between 3-5 a day on 2nd) while the other aid gets up the people who only need 1 assist. Get the rest of the people up. During all of this, answering all the call-lights, taking people to the bathroom etc Take the people to supper, feed them Wheel people back to their hallway. While one finishes the showers, the other starts putting the one assists to bed. Finish the 2-assist people, answer call-lights, pass out snacks, do paperwork. Do bedcheck..change those who have been incontinent, those who are continent you take to the bathroom. Answer call-lights, give report to the oncoming shift. Take soiled laundry to laundry room, take garbage out to the dumpster. Rinse and repeat. Absolute Evil fucked around with this message at 17:49 on May 22, 2010 |
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You're struggle is naming alone, but you thoroughly understand the structure and function? When will you take pathophysiology? This does have substiantial potential to gently caress you, though nothing is certain. Depending on your exact struggles, it may be a larger problem in nursing school than in nursing employment. In any case, my [gentle] suggestion would be to study more/better.
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Veg posted:I only just found this thread, awesome. I'm a 20 year old dude and I've been in nursing school for almost 6 months now. The only thing I'm really struggling with so far is naming of Anatomy.. is this going to gently caress me in the long run? Out of 3 Anatomy units so far I've failed 2 because of naming. Are there any resources with your textbooks (CD-roms, online supplements) you can use? In A & P, one of my textbooks came with a "Practice Anatomy Lab" (you can buy it separately on Amazon, but it's rather expensive - $43 for just the disc) and it shows you the anatomy of various body parts with and without the names so you can practice. I'd just sit there after class and click on everything to test myself, and my grades shot up after that. So check out the CD-roms with your book and see if you have something similar. Another thing I found helpful was to make a photocopy of the page that had the structure I needed to remember (say, the skeletal system - remembering all the names of the bones), and carried it with me everywhere. I used to glance at it when I had a spare minute at work, waiting in line anywhere, etc. After the quiz, I'd start on new material.
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Anatomy and physiology were starting points but I don't think I really had a solid understanding of either until I'd covered a lot of pathophysiology. Learning how things went wrong is how I learned how they really worked. I wouldn't be too hard on yourself if it seems like everything isn't quite coming together yet.
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By this time next year, I should be an LVN. What's the job market like for them? I know KP is phasing them out in favor of RNs, but I just want to find a job as an LVN for a year or two before I move on. Also, a friend of mine told me that nurses can work as paramedics in California. Is this true?
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Jeephand posted:I have lots of questions for you nurses! Boston, Mass nurse here, working on a Cardiac Step Down unit! I can answer a few of those for you! Sorry if I can't answer them all! A "traveling nurse" is a nurse that signs on with a specific travel nursing agency (American Mobile or something like that) and they pick where in the US they want to go and usually get assigned to a 8-13 week stint at a hospital in or around the area they choose, IF there are jobs available for outside contracts. The agency generally finds the nurse an apartment and pays for it during that stint, and you also make bank I hear (upwards of 40 dollars an hour depending on location). Not sure about transportation though. I also heard rumors you can take assignments near your hometown and live at home and get a stipend. These things differ from agency to agency but alot of times you hear about nurses ending up in Hawaii or someplace fun like that. My understanding is that "assisted living" facilities are independent apartments where residents have a nurse and/or PCT on hand at all times in the building for small tasks such as putting the residents pills in their pill box and making sure they are safe. Nursing homes are more like hospitals where the patients have roomates and do not live independently, cook their own meals, etc. The term "Assisted Living" and "Nursing Home" are used interchangably, unfortunately, and alot of times we get confused as to what the patient's situation is from a case management standpoint. Home Health involves the nurse going to a patient's home after a discharge and makes sure the patient is safe, does some teaching, maybe draws blood or gives an IV medication. These nurses HAVE GOT to be on the ball and able to pick up on even the smallest indication that something is wrong with the patient, and call 911 as needed. In general, yes the night shift pays more, but you absolutely DO NOT do less work. I rotate from the day shift to the night shift every few weeks and let me tell you there are some nights where I do not sit down once. Patients very often do not sleep at night, and tend to code more. Not only that but 99% of the time you end up with at least twice the amount of patients that you do during the day shift. Twice the charting, twice the notes, twice the telemetry checks, twice the bed alarms, twice the pain. You also have fewer resources at night, fewer co-workers to pull into a room for a boost, lazier support staff, no Wound nurse, no Ostomy nurse, no case manager, no social worker, nothing. You also get apathetic and generally unhelpful nurse managers who just want to turn beds over and are mostly just concerned with staffing numbers. However, you also get fantastic support from your fellow nurses and there's a real brother/sisterhood during the night shift because you are forced to work under different and harsher conditions. "Private Duty" is a term used for a nurse who is privately hired by a patient or family member, or hired through an agency that takes care of a patient either during shifts or 24/7 one on one in the patients home. They also sometimes accompany the patient to the hospital if they get sick or doctors appointments or whatever. Basically it's like having a servant that has the skills of an RN. Hope that helps! And for the record, Boston is having issues with employing nurses. There are literally NO new-graduate jobs anywhere and we're getting laid off as well. There are some signs that it's getting better but if you're a new grad, don't look at Boston for at least a year. edit: Sorry if grammar/spelling is poor. Just ending a night shift while writing that. Evgenisa fucked around with this message at 11:30 on May 24, 2010 |
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Evgenisa posted:Boston, Mass nurse here, working on a Cardiac Step Down unit! I can answer a few of those for you! Sorry if I can't answer them all! Thanks a lot that was a lot of info.
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Veg posted:I only just found this thread, awesome. I'm a 20 year old dude and I've been in nursing school for almost 6 months now. The only thing I'm really struggling with so far is naming of Anatomy.. is this going to gently caress me in the long run? Out of 3 Anatomy units so far I've failed 2 because of naming. Sup 20 year old male nursing student buddy. I took AnP my freshman year, and although I am OK at memorizing things, it was also my weakest subject. It is important that you know landmarks, but if your nursing school is like mine, they will make you memorize every damned thing in the body. In my experience, when I went through the classes that taught assessments, pathophys, and acute adult care, everything came together like magic. Like someone said before, when they taught about when things went wrong, that's when it really made more sense. No, you will probably never have to worry about knowing the supraorbital formen, but will you need to know the spine, nerves, abdomen, extremities, tissue/cell and internal organ anatomy? Hell yes. Landmarks are especially important for administering shots, and I definitely had to review the names of some of them before administering them in a lab setting. This stuff will be drilled into you year after year and should come together for you, so unless you end up failing this class, I wouldn't fret too much. Err on the side of caution though, and strive to learn everything regardless of how petty it might seem, because when you get further down the line in your education/career, the seemingly unimportant aspects of anatomy will be replaced by the more important and frequently referenced ones in your memory.
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I had asked a few questions about going into nursing as a career change little while back, and got some great answers. After going through a bunch of research on my own, I'm coming back to one big one: Does anybody know of a Northern New England (Boston/Southern NH/Southern ME) evening RN program? I live within an hour drive of that radius, and have a flexible job in terms of being able to work from home to get to classes anywhere in that area, but I'm coming up totally empty. I know there are some in California, I've found a bunch of RN-BSN transitions, but I can't find a single way to get an RN and keep paying the bills in the meantime. If anyone has any ideas, I'd really appreciate the help.
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I know Curry College has an evening program, and Simmons College has evening classes (don't be fooled, if you're in an accelerated or previous degree program it's Co-Ed...just the undergraduate school is all-female.) Not sure about Northeastern. You can try Boston College as well but they'll rob you blind. UMass Boston also caters to the working man so you might find something there as well! All of these colleges are in Boston. If you're looking for online classes, UMass Boston is your best bet.
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Just accepted an ICU position in Vancouver! If any US nurses ever want to know more about the process of getting a Canadian RN license, drop me a line. It's a colossal time consuming pain in the rear end but I am so happy it worked out.
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otter space posted:Just accepted an ICU position in Vancouver! If any US nurses ever want to know more about the process of getting a Canadian RN license, drop me a line. It's a colossal time consuming pain in the rear end but I am so happy it worked out. Where did you goto school?(I live in winnipeg btw)
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Evgenisa posted:I know Curry College has an evening program, and Simmons College has evening classes (don't be fooled, if you're in an accelerated or previous degree program it's Co-Ed...just the undergraduate school is all-female.) Not sure about Northeastern. You can try Boston College as well but they'll rob you blind. UMass Boston also caters to the working man so you might find something there as well! All of these colleges are in Boston. If you're looking for online classes, UMass Boston is your best bet. Thank you! I was getting ready to shelve this until I could take an LOA from my current job. Curry is a bit over an hour away, but it's doable to make this happen, and the fact that it's a direct BSN is even better.
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Hentai Tentacle Demon posted:Yay a thread to vent my frustrations in. Bit late to the party on this post, but I was exactly where you were at. I knocked out ALL of the non-specific nursing program coursework in one year of school with a 3.9 GPA (I also already have a 4 year degree), and got rejected before the program was even remotely filled. I knew for a fact that people with worse grades than me got in, and that the school adamantly claims there's no wait list. In a fit of rage after getting the letter, I wound up writing a 2 page letter that I e-mailed to the President of the college, the chancellor of state university system, and my local federal congressman and state senator. I figured I'd just get blown off, but every single one of them responded to me and acted on my behalf. Long story short, I got an acceptance letter in the mail yesterday for Fall 2010. With the sea of humanity rushing to public schools for nursing degrees because they're under the false impression it's an easy job that prints money, the people who actually WANT to be nurses for the right reasons get lost in the shuffle. If you have the grades and the desire, you really -really- need to self-advocate and make yourself stand out from the rest of the crowd. In the specific example of my school, they're operating with antiquated systems and bureaucratic indifference (the admissions department handles the applicants--the nursing department barely gets to see them) about who gets in and who doesn't due to the sheer volume of applicants (1500 for about 300 seats between day and evening programs).
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HollowYears posted:Where did you goto school?(I live in winnipeg btw) University of Missouri. Took NCLEX, been working in the US for two years, now I'm subjecting myself to the CRNE so I can work in Canada.
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otter space posted:University of Missouri. Took NCLEX, been working in the US for two years, now I'm subjecting myself to the CRNE so I can work in Canada. That's great, word through the grapevine is that BC is one of the provinces that have been really cutting back on healthcare among other things. You're lucky to have found a job there, not only will you be making lots of money relative to other provinces, you get to enjoy some of the best scenery in Canada! As for the person above me with the waiting list problem, I have to wait two years to get into the LPN program unless I want to move to a nearby city which is only a year waiting The government is probably going to be helping me out and I can take courses of own interest/prereqs in the meantime so this is a very hard opportunity to pass up.
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