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InitialDave posted:If you're a real hardcore, must-save-weight, all-about-the-driving experience type looking for the M3, I'd expect you to be buying a real one anyway. To put some things in perspective, the car has no rear seats, air conditioner, or audio system. It is equipped with a roll cage, 6-point belts and fire extinguisher. The suspension is fully adjustable. The car is over 400 pounds lighter than the standard model. There's also wiring for a remote kill switch, a front & rear adjustable wing, etc. MikeyTsi posted:Let's be honest, it's because it doesn't have an slushbox, right? I don't know if it's worth the price, but it's a pseudo-racecar.
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# ? May 13, 2010 05:35 |
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# ? May 13, 2024 08:13 |
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They really should have called it CSL, no?
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# ? May 13, 2010 06:16 |
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There's only 99 cars. Super rare. Some people are into that. Kinda like that Mercedes CLK DTM that wasn't that great but still every one bought for mad money. Also where are you getting 'marginally out performs a mustang' from?
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# ? May 13, 2010 11:27 |
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CharlesM posted:To put some things in perspective, the car has no rear seats, air conditioner, or audio system. It is equipped with a roll cage, 6-point belts and fire extinguisher. The suspension is fully adjustable. The car is over 400 pounds lighter than the standard model. There's also wiring for a remote kill switch, a front & rear adjustable wing, etc. Fords mustang analog to the GTS is the Boss 302R http://jalopnik.com/5434977/ford-mustang-boss-302r-the-boss-is-back-for-129000 The main difference being the 302R doesnt get a VIN and isnt street legal. But it is $20k cheaper (kind of like the GT to M3). I bet the Boss 302R is also only 'marginally faster' then a regular 5.0 in 0-60 too.
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# ? May 13, 2010 16:55 |
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A5H posted:There's only 99 cars. Super rare. Some people are into that. There's a world of difference between a tarted up 3 series and the CLK GTR in the exotic looks department. Click here for the full 1200x900 image. I get marginally outperforms the Mustang because the GTS has 30hp more than the Mustang and weighs almost the same as the Mustang. $150k in price premium should offer something more substantial than that.
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# ? May 13, 2010 17:57 |
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frozenphil posted:There's a world of difference between a tarted up 3 series and the CLK GTR in the exotic looks department. DTM not GTR. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercedes-Benz_CLK-Class#CLK_GTR_and_CLK_DTM Also who cares about paper stats. If it laps quick as gently caress then it's fine.
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# ? May 13, 2010 18:09 |
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frozenphil posted:I get marginally outperforms the Mustang because the GTS has 30hp more than the Mustang and weighs almost the same as the Mustang. $150k in price premium should offer something more substantial than that. Did you happen to look at the post above you that shows a mustang with all the track ready poo poo that the GTS has also costs roughly the same amount over a base model? You're a moron if you are going to compare 2 cars performance based on like 4 data points that dont even factor in to what the cars purpose is. Would I buy a GTS for that sort of money? no, but for what it is the price isnt that outrageous.
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# ? May 13, 2010 18:13 |
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frozenphil posted:I get marginally outperforms the Mustang because the GTS has 30hp more than the Mustang and weighs almost the same as the Mustang. What about the 400lbs of weight savings? I thought the Mustang and the regular M3 were pretty close in weight, so 400lbs would be a pretty huge difference, no?
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kimbo305 posted:The one car that really put its money where its mouth is is the Megane R26.R. They pulled almost all the stops on that one except A/C. You're forgetting the Noble M600
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# ? May 13, 2010 19:30 |
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FedEx posted:You're forgetting the Noble M600 Hmm yes sir here we are comparing special trackday versions of more pedestrian cars, I see how the Noble M600 fits in with the conversation.
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# ? May 13, 2010 19:38 |
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Muffinpox posted:I might have missed them, but if you're basing the "marginally better performing" on the 0-60 you're only slightly ignoring that this is a track package. You know, corners. Frozenphil leads an existence unburdened by corners. Or calendars
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# ? May 13, 2010 19:58 |
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MrChips posted:Frozenphil leads an existence unburdened by corners. Or calendars or contact with reality
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# ? May 13, 2010 20:13 |
KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:Hmm yes sir here we are comparing special trackday versions of more pedestrian cars, I see how the Noble M600 fits in with the conversation. is the M600 not a hardcore, driver focused evolution of their earlier and much cheaper models?
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# ? May 13, 2010 22:10 |
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MrChips posted:Frozenphil leads an existence unburdened by corners. Or calendars It was a pretty obvious troll the second he started poo poo talking a car that comes with an automatic.
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# ? May 13, 2010 22:53 |
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FedEx posted:is the M600 not a hardcore, driver focused evolution of their earlier and much cheaper models?
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# ? May 13, 2010 23:26 |
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FedEx posted:is the M600 not a hardcore, driver focused evolution of their earlier and much cheaper models? No, it's not, it's a new design from a company whose base model cars are already retarded trackday specials with the build quality of a kit car.
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# ? May 14, 2010 15:30 |
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Frozenphil lives his life a quarter mile at a time guys, who cares about poo poo like suspension geometry
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# ? May 14, 2010 15:39 |
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rscott posted:Frozenphil lives his life a quarter mile at a time guys, who cares about poo poo like suspension geometry How does this argument stand up in the face of the Mustang dominating the BMW in Grand Am road racing?
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# ? May 14, 2010 15:59 |
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frozenphil posted:How does this argument stand up in the face of the Mustang dominating the BMW in Grand Am road racing? I'm sure you can go pick up a Mustang (gotta be with the automatic though, right?) from the corner dealer and then go start whipping BMW's in Grand Am.
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# ? May 15, 2010 01:00 |
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frozenphil posted:How does this argument stand up in the face of the Mustang dominating the BMW in Grand Am road racing? Who won the Continental tire race at Daytona to start the year off? What about VIR? M3's have 7 podium finishes in the first 4 races this year to go with the 2 wins. Mustangs have 3 podium finishes in the first 4 races. Stop being an idiotic fanboy for once.
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# ? May 15, 2010 02:03 |
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Hey y'all peep the new QX-56. Click here for the full 1280x850 image. Christ almighty it's ugly. I had a visceral reaction to it when I saw the picture. Edit: oopsie table broken, that should do it.
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# ? May 20, 2010 17:11 |
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MikeyTsi posted:I'm sure you can go pick up a Mustang (gotta be with the automatic though, right?) from the corner dealer and then go start whipping BMW's in Grand Am. You have to order it, but yeah. You can. kill me now posted:Who won the Continental tire race at Daytona to start the year off? What about VIR? Yeah, this year BMW is leading by 8 points so far after the Mustang was neutered. Also, how many teams are running BMWs vs. Mustangs this year?
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# ? May 20, 2010 17:21 |
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I caught this weeks Autoline Detroit on podcast, where they had a very detailed inverview with Victor Mueller, the chief of Spyker, about how he plans on turning around SAAB. I thought it was very interesting.
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# ? May 20, 2010 18:00 |
KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:
that is truly awful
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# ? May 20, 2010 23:20 |
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It looks like Infiniti's headlight suppliers went, "Oh you want us to make some lamps for a big butch SUV? What if we just tweak what we give you for your other cars just a bit? That good?"
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# ? May 20, 2010 23:50 |
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:Hey y'all peep the new QX-56. Should I be blaming Maserati for every company wanting to put vents on their fenders these days? It's bad enough having the stick-on ones all over town without the manufacturers reinforcing the behavior.
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# ? May 23, 2010 17:31 |
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Sir Tonk posted:Should I be blaming Maserati for every company wanting to put vents on their fenders these days? It's bad enough having the stick-on ones all over town without the manufacturers reinforcing the behavior. No, because portholes date back to the 50s; if not earlier.
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# ? May 23, 2010 22:55 |
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frozenphil posted:Yeah, this year BMW is leading by 8 points so far after the Mustang was neutered. Also, how many teams are running BMWs vs. Mustangs this year? At Daytona 9 M3's 16 Mustang Gt's and Boss 302R's Im not going to count them up in the other races so far but you're more then welcome to http://www.grand-am.com/schedule/index.cfm?series=k&cat_id=91.
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# ? May 24, 2010 01:16 |
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:Hey y'all peep the new QX-56. Although the side vents look out of place.
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# ? May 24, 2010 02:56 |
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:Hey y'all peep the new QX-56. It looks Chinese. How does the dealership conversation go with the people who buy those things? I really don't understand what they must be thinking.
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# ? May 24, 2010 03:00 |
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kimbo305 posted:It looks like Infiniti's headlight suppliers went, "Oh you want us to make some lamps for a big butch SUV? What if we just tweak what we give you for your other cars just a bit? That good?" Well, it's not like they'd done that bef- Mr. Apollo posted:Oh. Every time I see one of those in traffic somewhere, I have a visceral anger reaction to it and then have to spend the next 5 minutes explaining how a design unit that's been doing things so right for the last 10 years managed to do something so wrong for that car. I mean, the vast sail of blank sheet metal above the headlights HAS to have disgusted some old Japanese man at some point, why did they let it out of the factory like that? Do they think half-height light housings make the car look like it weighs less than 5,500 pounds? What about using the EXACT SAME REAR PANELS AS THE ARMADA?
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# ? May 24, 2010 03:42 |
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All right guys, we're redesigning the QX. We don't have a lot of ideas, but one thing's for sure. It needs to look like the Toyota Sequoia and have even less visibility than before. Raise that beltline to the ceiling! loving ugh.
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# ? May 24, 2010 14:23 |
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Compared to the old one, the beltine and the window thing is positively artistic though. What the gently caress were they thinking with the C-pillar on the old one?
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# ? May 24, 2010 16:03 |
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:Compared to the old one, the beltine and the window thing is positively artistic though. What the gently caress were they thinking with the C-pillar on the old one? They were thinking "hey what if we put leather and an analog clock in this thing"
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# ? May 24, 2010 16:11 |
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Wait you guys actually want to see out of your cars what the gently caress is wrong with you
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# ? May 24, 2010 17:45 |
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kimbo305 posted:It looks like Infiniti's headlight suppliers went, "Oh you want us to make some lamps for a big butch SUV? What if we just tweak what we give you for your other cars just a bit? That good?"
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# ? May 24, 2010 18:46 |
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travisray2004 posted:No, because portholes date back to the 50s; if not earlier. Yeah I've seen them on cars back in the day, but the only car built since the 80's that I can think of with them has been Maserati. I think there was a Chrysler in the 80's that had them, but that was the most recent one I can think of. edit, words Sir Tonk fucked around with this message at 20:21 on May 27, 2010 |
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All current Cadillacs, except for the DTS, have some sort of vents in the front fender. Buick also puts portholes on the Enclave and Lucerne.
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Edit, not quote.
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http://www.autoobserver.com/2010/05/whats-wrong-at-honda-maybe-everything.html http://www.autoblog.com/2010/05/26/delayed-civic-begs-the-question-has-honda-lost-the-plot The next civic needs to be a miracle IMO. This is coming from a Honda die-hard.
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