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the yellow dart: Jul 19, 2004; King of rings, armlocks, hugs, and our hearts

Dradien posted:

#4 � Hitler is an avowed Marxist. Several of his cabinet members and appointed �czars� are Marxists. Marxism is a philosophy of centralized control VERY similar to communism. The government is in complete control. Here�s an example � While Hitler had his �ministers�, Mr. Obama has his �czars�. The government body has recently been described as �overinflated� as a result of all these unconstitutional additions to the government. Another example, Mr. Obama promises more jobs�.but there have been none. As a result, people are on unemployment. Mr. Obama continues to allow unemployment extensions � as long as he does so, people will continue to support him. The threat of having NO income is a great manipulation tool.

This one is probably my favorite. You should ask the person who sent this to you what it meant to have a red triangle in a concentration camp.

# ? May 27, 2010 17:44

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# ? May 15, 2024 01:26

Dradien: Jun 24, 2005; Ask me about shrimp.

And since I replied with a rebuttal, I am now a Liberal Lemming and close minded...awesome....

# ? May 27, 2010 18:06

euphronius: Feb 18, 2009

Yeah Hitler was a big fan of that socialist Jew's work.

Ok.

# ? May 27, 2010 18:08

Turing sex machine: Dec 14, 2008; I want to have
your robot-babies

Dradien posted:

I have a rebuttal written up if anyone wants to read it, I'll post it.

Of course.

# ? May 27, 2010 19:42

Dradien: Jun 24, 2005; Ask me about shrimp.

Turing sex machine posted:

Of course.

I tried to be as accurate as possible, but there may be some errors here, I didn't go and look anything up to confirm it when I was writing it...

"When Hilter was younger, he was considered a brilliant, charismatic rising star with innovative ideas to improve Germany's strength as a nation. Correlation #1 - Mr Obama is younger, attractive and very charismatic and his speeches have made him become the "One" - his promises of hope and change inspired those that had lost hope. (Just like Hitler)"

Yea, there are tons of people that are young and charismatic that gives great speeches, point? Take Scott brown, nice and young rising Republican star that even had a centerfold...Does that make him Hitler?

"#2 - Hitler targeted the youth as his primary audience - if he could "educate" them, he could control them under the guise of teaching them to be stronger for the future; however, the education, was indoctrination instead of true education. Mr. Obama has done the same, doing video conferences to the public schools all over the US; children being taught to sing his praises in their music classes; children being told that a picture of Obama is patriotic, but one of the American flag is offensive; targeting the impressionable youth of our country and telling them to good patriots. He has also put people in charge of education that wish to control/limit what is being taught (revisionist history)."

I have seen the video of the children in that classroom singing a song about him. However, I need proof of your other claims, about the video conferencing and whatnot. I also HIGHLY doubt he said the American flag is offensive, again, I need proof of that. Don't look at Obama for wanting to rewrite history, look at Texas, they are the ones changing all their history books and whatnot, Obama has no control over what textbooks say. You're not very well versed in this process, are you?

"#3 � Hitler seized control of all the civilian arms corporations and put them under the control of his �Armament Minister�s�. Mr. Obama seized control of General Motors and fired their executives. Which is not allowed under the constitution."

Mr. Obama did not seize control of GM. I don't know about you, but I did watch and read about the bailouts, and GM went to D.C. asking for money to ail their failing company. That is no way seizing it, and was totally voluntary. They could have not taken the money, but they would have failed. Also, the bailout worked, they posted a profit and paid back their loans, and are no longer under the government "control", if you can even call it that.

Ohh, hey, also, Bush started that GM bailout, not Obama. Is Bush Hitler?

"#4 � Hitler is an avowed Marxist. Several of his cabinet members and appointed �czars� are Marxists. Marxism is a philosophy of centralized control VERY similar to communism. The government is in complete control. Here�s an example � While Hitler had his �ministers�, Mr. Obama has his �czars�. The government body has recently been described as �overinflated� as a result of all these unconstitutional additions to the government. Another example, Mr. Obama promises more jobs�.but there have been none. As a result, people are on unemployment. Mr. Obama continues to allow unemployment extensions � as long as he does so, people will continue to support him. The threat of having NO income is a great manipulation tool."

Ok, I'm going to have to call you on your bullshit right here. First of all, there have been czars in the government for a long time, and titled as such. They are just shortened names for otherwise long titles/position names. Obama has them, Bush had them, Clinton had them, Bush Sr. had then, and Reagan had them. It's isn't a new thing, and it sure in hell isn't Marxist, unless, again, you're calling Reagen, Bush Sr and Jr, and Clinton all Hitler...

Second, Obama has created, or will create, close to two million jobs. In two years, which is more then Bush did in 8 years. I can cite this if you want to. Also, you might want to ask my wife how her job is doing, the one created by ARRA (American Reinvestment and Recovery Act *A.K.A the Stimulus) funding. Also, jobs created by that funding can be tracked at "http://www.recovery.gov/Pages/home.aspx". In addition, Obama had no direct control over Unemployment Benefits. A month or two ago, they were delayed for a month or two by a single republican filibustering it. So, no, Obama doesn't control that.

"#5 � This is where the health care comes into play a small amount. If you had the opportunity to read the health care bill, there was, in fact, a section dedicated to the determination of a person�s need for health care. There is no easy way to explain it here, but what it comes down to is that the bill would allow a panel of people to decide a person�s need for medical care and the cost effectiveness of maintaining their health. Based on the wording, it would seem that those that are less productive in our society will be the ones to suffer (ie:Autistic children, those with mental retardation, those with physical limits, etc). Hitler�s wish to exterminate those that were �imperfect� coincides."

No...no there wasn't. If there actually were, it wouldn't had gone ANYWHERE, and the SCOTUS would have shot it down, since it has been until very recently, a majority republican court.

Do me a favor....here is the bill in it's entirety. "http://docs.house.gov/rules/health/111_ahcaa.pdf"

Find me the section about the death panels please...
...you won't, because they are not in there.

"These are just a few of the examples�.each in it�s own right is a long story and can be backed by documentation."

Show me the documentation proving any of your above theory's please.

Please feel free to correct me on anything I hosed up here, I wouldn't mind being educated a bit if I need it.

# ? May 27, 2010 20:17

i am the bird: Mar 2, 2005; I SUPPORT ALL THE PREDATORS

The Hitler = Marxist thing should be addressed if only because there are too many stupid people out there who equate Nazis to socialists.

# ? May 27, 2010 21:10

euphronius: Feb 18, 2009

Also Marxists killed the czar. So why would a Marxist appoint one?

# ? May 27, 2010 21:12

Dradien: Jun 24, 2005; Ask me about shrimp.

I'll take them into consideration, thanks. I'm more or less new with this whole debating politics, and I wish I would have gotten into them sooner. It was a product of my upbringing, where no one gave a poo poo about politics.

# ? May 27, 2010 21:19

chesh: Apr 19, 2004; That was terrible.

This guy thinks that Hitler was gay. Hitler = Obama ispo facto OBAMA IS GAY.

# ? May 27, 2010 21:28

dja98: Aug 2, 2003; In the summertime, when the weather is high, you can stretch right up and touch the sky

Naet posted:

The Hitler = Marxist thing should be addressed if only because there are too many stupid people out there who equate Nazis to socialists.

This is usually because the full name of the Nazi party was 'Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei' or 'National Socialist German Workers Party'.

I think the main problem stems from the seemingly widespread, erroneous belief that liberal, socialist and communist are all synonymous and are typified by the McCarthyist view of the USSR.

# ? May 27, 2010 22:05

Bobby Digital: Sep 4, 2009

euphronius posted:

Also Marxists killed the czar. So why would a Marxist appoint one?

Back in August I had a Facebook discussion with a friend of a friend about Obama's czars.

It ended with me pointing out that the czar was overthrown by the Bolsheviks and her telling me that I didn't know my history :psyduck:

# ? May 27, 2010 22:40

Hardcore Phonography: Apr 28, 2004; I have my eye on a suite in Baker Street.

Bobby Digital posted:

Back in August I had a Facebook discussion with a friend of a friend about Obama's czars.

It ended with me pointing out that the czar was overthrown by the Bolsheviks and her telling me that I didn't know my history

Was that the Nazi Bolsheviks or the Fascist Bolsheviks. Or the Gay Black Bolsheviks?

# ? May 27, 2010 23:32

notcreativeenough: Mar 8, 2010; by Fistgrrl

dja98 posted:

This is usually because the full name of the Nazi party was 'Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei' or 'National Socialist German Workers Party'.

I think the main problem stems from the seemingly widespread, erroneous belief that liberal, socialist and communist are all synonymous and are typified by the McCarthyist view of the USSR.

And that the Nazi Socialist Party came from the Christian Socialist Party which was from where a lot of the anti-Jewish schemes such as ghettos, not allowing them to do certain things such as buy weapons, wear yellow stars etc came from which came from past Christian history such as orders from the Vatican.

So we can all blame the Christians for the Nazis. We can also blame the Christians for the Communists since Marx's philosphy was inspired by Jesus and Stalin got into communism while training to be a priest. Hitler also was inspired by his monastery school which had a certain symbol in it's coat of arms.

# ? May 28, 2010 00:52

crime fighting hog: Jun 29, 2006; I only pray, Heaven knows when to lift you out

notcreativeenough posted:

And that the Nazi Socialist Party came from the Christian Socialist Party which was from where a lot of the anti-Jewish schemes such as ghettos, not allowing them to do certain things such as buy weapons, wear yellow stars etc came from which came from past Christian history such as orders from the Vatican.

So we can all blame the Christians for the Nazis. We can also blame the Christians for the Communists since Marx's philosphy was inspired by Jesus and Stalin got into communism while training to be a priest. Hitler also was inspired by his monastery school which had a certain symbol in it's coat of arms.

More history I wasn't taught in High School.

World War 2: America won. The end.

# ? May 28, 2010 01:22

notcreativeenough: Mar 8, 2010; by Fistgrrl

crime fighting hog posted:

More history I wasn't taught in High School.

World War 2: America won. The end.

Well it's pretty much only in the US you get this Hitler wasn't a Christian crap.

# ? May 28, 2010 06:06

i am the bird: Mar 2, 2005; I SUPPORT ALL THE PREDATORS

dja98 posted:

This is usually because the full name of the Nazi party was 'Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei' or 'National Socialist German Workers Party'.

I think the main problem stems from the seemingly widespread, erroneous belief that liberal, socialist and communist are all synonymous and are typified by the McCarthyist view of the USSR.

What they were and what they called themselves are two entirely different beasts. I understand that socialism is -- and has been in the past -- the buzz word for evil, but not being able to differentiate between the evils done in the name of socialism and the evils done in the name of fascism leads to the stupidity found in the many many emails we have here.

# ? May 28, 2010 14:03

Kekekela: Oct 28, 2004

quote:

Also Marxists killed the czar. So why would a Marxist appoint one?

Yeah, the Marxists + czars part of the initial email is hilariously poorly reasoned and you really need to bludgeon him with that if he keeps the exchange going.

# ? May 28, 2010 15:39

oldman: Dec 15, 2003; grumpy

Bobby Digital posted:

Back in August I had a Facebook discussion with a friend of a friend about Obama's czars.

It ended with me pointing out that the czar was overthrown by the Bolsheviks and her telling me that I didn't know my history

He probably doesn't know it but he is correct. The Tsar wasn't overthrown by the Bolsheviks, but by the alliance of liberals and socialists in the March (February) Revolution.

# ? May 28, 2010 18:46

Bobby Digital: Sep 4, 2009

oldman posted:

He probably doesn't know it but he is correct. The Tsar wasn't overthrown by the Bolsheviks, but by the alliance of liberals and socialists in the March (February) Revolution.

I didn't even know there were two Russian Revolutions in 1917 :psyduck:

thanks, high school!

That said, I'm roughly 100% certain that's not what he meant.

# ? May 28, 2010 20:07

notcreativeenough: Mar 8, 2010; by Fistgrrl

Bobby Digital posted:

I didn't even know there were two Russian Revolutions in 1917 thanks, high school!

That said, I'm roughly 100% certain that's not what he meant.

Likely the guy and you don't realize that life wasn't really different under the Tsars then under the Communists. Both groups didn't allow the common people to own property it was the property of the state. Same leadership different name.

The Tsars were just becoming unpopular and the communists stepped into fill the leader position. Pogroms, religious oppression and religion being oppressed if it got out of line were all common occurances in Russian history. Lines for common necessities and store shelves nearly empty quite common in russian history as were death squads.

# ? May 28, 2010 20:19

Foyes36: Oct 23, 2005; Food fight!

oldman posted:

He probably doesn't know it but he is correct. The Tsar wasn't overthrown by the Bolsheviks, but by the alliance of liberals and socialists in the March (February) Revolution.

This is certainly the case, but didn't the Bolsheviks actually murder the Czar and his family?

# ? May 28, 2010 20:59

Tesla Insanely Coil: Jul 23, 2006; Ask me why I'm not squatting.

This one has probably been posted before but not recently and I wanted help for a response. I know there's a goon with a website about Arpaio but I can't remember what it is. I did find the website arpaio.com but hardly anything is sourced.

quote:

Subject: What a great guy!----If you've read it before it's worth reading again

You all remember Sheriff Joe Arpaio of Maricopa County, Arizona, who painted the jail cells pink and made the inmates wear pink prison garb. Well . . .

SHERIFF JOE IS AT IT AGAIN!

There's MUCH more to know about Sheriff Joe!

Maricopa County was spending approximately $18 million a year on stray animals, like cats and dogs. Sheriff Joe offered to take the department over, and the County Supervisors approved.

The animal shelters are now all staffed and operated by prisoners. They feed and care for the strays. Every animal in his care is taken out and walked twice daily. He now has prisoners who are experts in animal nutrition and behavior. They give great classes for anyone who would like to adopt an animal. He has literally taken stray dogs off the street, given them to the care of prisoners, and had them place in dog shows.

The best part? His budget for the entire department is now under $3 million.

The prisoners get the benefit of about $0.28 an hour for working, but most would work for free, just to be out of their cells for the day. Most of his budget is for utilities, building maintenance, etc. He pays the prisoners out of the fees collected for adopted animals . . . Cost is $78 including microchip, neutered/spayed, and current on all shots.

People have long wondered when the rest of the country would take a look at the way he runs his jail system, and copy some of his ideas. He has a huge farm, donated to the county years ago, where inmates can work, and they grow most of their own fresh vegetables and food, doing all the work and harvesting by hand.

He has a pretty good-sized hog farm, which provides meat, and fertilizer. It fertilizes the Christmas tree nursery, where prisoners work, and you can buy a living Christmas tree for $6-$8 for the Holidays, and plant it later.

He was re-elected with 83% of the vote.

Now he's in trouble with the ACLU again.

He painted all his buses and vehicles with a mural, that has a special hotline phone number painted on it, where you can call and report suspected illegal aliens. Immigrations and Customs Enforcement wasn't doing enough in his eyes, so he had 40 deputies trained specifically for enforcing immigration laws, started up his hotline, and bought four new buses just for hauling folks back to the border. He's kind of a 'Git-R Dun' kind of Sheriff.

Sheriff Joe Arpaio created the 'Tent City Jail,' and has jail meals down to 40 cents a serving and charges the inmates for them.

He banned smoking and porno magazines in the jails, took away their weights, and cut off all but 'G' movies.

He started chain gangs so the inmates could do free work on county and city projects.

Then he started chain gangs for women so he wouldn't get sued for discrimination.

He took away cable TV until he found out there was a Federal Court Order that required cable TV for jails. So he hooked up the Cable TV again and only let in The Disney Channel and The Weather Channel.

When asked why The Weather Channel, he replied 'So they will know how hot it's gonna be while they are working on my chain gangs.'

He cut off coffee since it has zero nutritional value.

When the inmates complained, he told them, 'This isn't The Ritz-Carlton . . . if you don't like it, don't come back.'

With temperatures being even hotter than usual in Phoenix (116 Degrees) the Associated Press reports: About 2,000 inmates living in a barbed-wire-surrounded tent encampment at The Maricopa County Jail have been given permission to strip down to their Government Issued pink boxer shorts.
Hundreds of men wearing boxers were either curled up on their bunk beds or chatted in the tents, which reached 138 degrees inside the week before.

Many were also swathed in wet PINK TOWELS as sweat collected on their chests and dripped down to their PINK SOCKS.

'It feels like we are in a furnace,' Said James Zanzot, an inmate who has lived in the TENTS for 1 year. 'It's inhumane'

Joe Arpaio, the tough-guy sheriff who created the tent city and long ago started making his prisoners wear pink, and eat bologna sandwiches, is not one bit sympathetic. He said that he told all of the inmates: 'It's 120 degrees in Iraq and our Soldiers are living in tents too, and they have to wear full battle gear, but they didn't commit any crimes, so Shut Your Mouths!'

Way to go, Sheriff!

Maybe if all prisons were like this one there would be a lot less crime and/or repeat offenders. Criminals should be punished for their crimes--not live in luxury until it's time for their parole, only to go out and commit another crime so they can get back in to live on taxpayers money and enjoy things some citizens cannot afford to have for themselves.

If you agree, pass this on. If not, just delete it.

Note:
Sheriff Robert A. (Bob) White of Pasco County Florida has a farm where many vegetables are grown for jail consumption. The farm also raises chickens, hogs and cattle. The animals are slaughtered at a local slaughter house and the meat returned to the jail kitchens to feed the inmates.

# ? May 28, 2010 22:12

ought ten: Feb 6, 2004

Email posted:

'It feels like we are in a furnace,' Said James Zanzot, an inmate who has lived in the TENTS for 1 year. 'It's inhumane'

Assuming this line wasn't put in as a balancing viewpoint (yeah right), this is easily the most outrageous part of the email. People are supposed to like Arpaio more because his prisoners think their treatment is inhumane? I can only imagine the Constitution thumpers who don't think this is "cruel and unusual" punishment.

# ? May 28, 2010 22:50

Mo_Steel: Mar 7, 2008; Let's Clock Into The Sunset Together; Fun Shoe

I almost skimmed over the part where he apparently makes inmates pay for their own meals. :psyduck:

What the gently caress man.

# ? May 28, 2010 22:57

Intel&Sebastian: Oct 20, 2002; colonel...
i'm trying to sneak around
but i'm dummy thicc
and the clap of my ass cheeks
keeps alerting the guards!

I don't want to get into the debate of how you're supposed to treat jail inmates but I'd love to hear someone defend this sort of treatment and attitude being dropped on someone who got caught with a non-dealing amount of drugs or skipped out on their speeding tickets or something.

I'd also like to ask these same people why there are homeless people and shelters if all jails are apperantly three star resorts.

# ? May 28, 2010 22:59

muscles like this!: Jan 17, 2005

Mo_Steel posted:

I almost skimmed over the part where he apparently makes inmates pay for their own meals. What the gently caress man.

The meals he makes them pay for are also substandard.

That email really shows how just horrible some people are that by describing those conditions that would take most normal people aback as pluses.

# ? May 28, 2010 23:10

oldman: Dec 15, 2003; grumpy

Pfirti86 posted:

This is certainly the case, but didn't the Bolsheviks actually murder the Czar and his family?

Just to continue this derail for a touch further: yes, but after anyone had stopped caring about them.

# ? May 28, 2010 23:11

euphronius: Feb 18, 2009

oldman posted:

He probably doesn't know it but he is correct. The Tsar wasn't overthrown by the Bolsheviks, but by the alliance of liberals and socialists in the March (February) Revolution.

As I said the marxists KILLED the czar! :eng101:

# ? May 28, 2010 23:26

Shimrra Jamaane: Aug 10, 2007; Obscure to all except those well-versed in Yuuzhan Vong lore.

euphronius posted:

As I said the marxists KILLED the czar!

You don't understand, the Czars, Nazis, communists, and gays are in reality all part of one giant evil behind the scenes organization that had Hitler, Stalin, and Elton John as instruments of their terror. This organization was led by one Onyango Obama and now our Obama stands to inherit the role! Wake up sheeple!

# ? May 29, 2010 02:44

Tesla Insanely Coil: Jul 23, 2006; Ask me why I'm not squatting.

I wrote out a response to the Arpaio email posted earlier today. Added some bible verses since that's the crowd I was emailing.

quote:

Here are some other things Arpaio is responsible for:

Homicides in the county were up 167 percent in the three-year period ending in 2007 and the report stated that the budget for the department, excluding corrections, had doubled since 2001. link

Sheriff Joe's men launched an assault to make a misdemeanor arrest. The raid left a burned house, a terrified neighborhood and a dead dog. The dog burned to death.

Richard Post was taken to jail in his wheelchair for mouthing off in a bar. Joe Arpaio's detention officers saw him as such a threat, they strapped him into a restraint chair�and broke his neck.

Arpaio's office has had to pay some of the largest settlements involving taxpayer money in Arizona history. One alone was over $8 million.

He staged his own assassination attempt. link

You like the jails?
County inmate Lance Hawthorne died in a cell whose vent had been closed as a form of punishment. link

Arpaio�s Jail Staff Cost Ambrett Spencer Her Baby, and She�s Not the Only One.link

Sheriff Joe Arpaio's Own Records Raise Serious Questions About Inmate Juan Mendoza Farias' Violent Death.link

Crohn's disease sufferer Damon Dreckmeier was sentenced to 111 days in the county jail. Denied a few dollars' worth of daily prescription medication, he was rushed to the hospital five times, undergoing two surgeries. Taxpayers will pay for his treatment. link

Here is a link to a site with dozens of more incidents. The writing style on the site might be abrasive but everything is sourced.

We ought to love our neighbors, even the ones in jail.

Matthew 25: "Then the righteous will answer him, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?'

"The King will reply, 'I tell you the truth, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of mine, you did for me.'

"Then he will say to those on his left, 'Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.'

"They also will answer, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?'

"He will reply, 'I tell you the truth, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.'

"Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life."

~~I did have links but I didn't want to paste them in the above quote but I can add them if anyone is interested.~~

Tesla Insanely Coil fucked around with this message at 22:37 on Jun 2, 2010

# ? May 29, 2010 05:57

Randandal: Feb 26, 2009

Intel&Sebastian posted:

I don't want to get into the debate of how you're supposed to treat jail inmates but I'd love to hear someone defend this sort of treatment and attitude being dropped on someone who got caught with a non-dealing amount of drugs or skipped out on their speeding tickets or something.

I'd also like to ask these same people why there are homeless people and shelters if all jails are apperantly three star resorts.

Easy. People lived, worked, and survived in Phoenix before air conditioning was ever invented. Not having air conditioning is not cruel and unusual, it's just uncomfortable. And if you know something is illegal (like having a non-dealing amount of drugs) it doesn't really matter if you believe it's wrong or not does it? You broke the law and you knew there would be a consequence.

Alot of homeless people prefer jails to the streets. In a homeless shelter you're free to go wherever you want to go during the day or the following night, which is a huge difference from jail. I think. Maybe it's not so obvious, I'm not sure.

# ? May 29, 2010 06:04

Deteriorata: Feb 6, 2005

Tesla Insanely Coil posted:

I wrote out a response to the Arpaio email posted earlier today. Added some bible verses since that's the crowd I was emailing.

I did have links but I didn't want to paste them in the above quote but I can add them if anyone is interested.

Well done. Another good quote is from the Sermon on the Mount, Luke 6:27-36

quote:

27"But I tell you who hear me: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, 28bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. 29If someone strikes you on one cheek, turn to him the other also. If someone takes your cloak, do not stop him from taking your tunic. 30Give to everyone who asks you, and if anyone takes what belongs to you, do not demand it back. 31Do to others as you would have them do to you.

32"If you love those who love you, what credit is that to you? Even 'sinners' love those who love them. 33And if you do good to those who are good to you, what credit is that to you? Even 'sinners' do that. 34And if you lend to those from whom you expect repayment, what credit is that to you? Even 'sinners' lend to 'sinners,' expecting to be repaid in full. 35But love your enemies, do good to them, and lend to them without expecting to get anything back. Then your reward will be great, and you will be sons of the Most High, because he is kind to the ungrateful and wicked. 36Be merciful, just as your Father is merciful.

# ? May 29, 2010 06:04

notcreativeenough: Mar 8, 2010; by Fistgrrl

Randandal posted:

Easy. People lived, worked, and survived in Phoenix before air conditioning was ever invented. Not having air conditioning is not cruel and unusual, it's just uncomfortable. And if you know something is illegal (like having a non-dealing amount of drugs) it doesn't really matter if you believe it's wrong or not does it? You broke the law and you knew there would be a consequence.

Alot of homeless people prefer jails to the streets. In a homeless shelter you're free to go wherever you want to go during the day or the following night, which is a huge difference from jail. I think. Maybe it's not so obvious, I'm not sure.

However you can die in a jail cell if you don't have air conditining since it gets over a 100 degrees inside. No easy access to water in a small space can equal a death sentence.

# ? May 29, 2010 06:14

RagnarokAngel: Oct 5, 2006; Black Magic Extraordinaire

quote:

I contacted my Congressman about House bill HR 3590, the health care bill. I asked for a summary of changes.

The Aid directed me to go to https://www.thomas.gov enter HR 3590 in the search box and look for summaries.

Starting in 2011 (next year folks) your W-2 tax form sent by your employer will be increased to show the value of whatever health insurance you are given by the company. It does not matter if that's a private concern or Governmental body of some sort.

If you're retired? So what; your gross WILL go up by the amount of insurance you get.

You will be required to pay taxes on a large sum of money that you have never seen.

Take your tax form you just finished and see what $15,000 or $20,000 additional gross does to your tax debt. That's what you'll pay next year.

For many it also puts you into a new higher bracket so it's even worse.

This is how the government is going to buy insurance for 15% that don't have insurance and it's only part of the tax increases.

Not believing this I researched the summaries and here's what I'm reading:

On page 25 of 29:
TITLE IX REVENUE PROVISIONS- SUBTITLE A: REVENUE OFFSET PROVISIONS - (sec. 9001, as modified by sec. 10901)
Sec.9002.
"requires employers to include in the W-2 form of each employee the aggregate cost of applicable employer sponsored group health coverage that is excludable from the employee's gross income."

Joan Pryde is the senior tax editor for the Kiplinger letters. Go to Kiplinger's and read about 13 tax changes that could affect you. Number 3 is what I just told you about.

Why am I sending you this? The same reason I hope you forward this to every single person in your address book. People have the right to know the truth because an election is coming in November and we need to vote in Conservatives that will repel this horrid law!

Haha yeah gotta get conservatives in now you guys they'll fix it.

# ? May 29, 2010 13:20

xarph: Jun 18, 2001

quote:

your gross WILL go up by the amount of insurance you get.

quote:

TITLE IX REVENUE PROVISIONS- SUBTITLE A: REVENUE OFFSET PROVISIONS - (sec. 9001, as modified by sec. 10901)
Sec.9002.
"requires employers to include in the W-2 form of each employee the aggregate cost of applicable employer sponsored group health coverage that is excludable from the employee's gross income."

That's not what it says at all... :confused:

# ? May 30, 2010 03:50

Triple20: Aug 16, 2005; In the end I guess it's easy after all

Tesla Insanely Coil posted:

I did have links but I didn't want to paste them in the above quote but I can add them if anyone is interested.

I would like to have the links, if it isn't too much trouble. Nice e-mail.

# ? May 30, 2010 07:11

Deuce: Jun 18, 2004; Mile High Club

xarph posted:

That's not what it says at all...

Yes, the bill also doesn't say "free health care for illegal immigrants" but there's emails going around about that one.

# ? May 30, 2010 16:53

Brennanite: Feb 14, 2009

notcreativeenough posted:

However you can die in a jail cell if you don't have air conditining since it gets over a 100 degrees inside. No easy access to water in a small space can equal a death sentence.

If you're lucky enough to be inside. "Tent City" is outdoors with temperature in the triple-digits during the summer. Google Marcia Powell and see how long a person lasts in an outdoor cell without water in that heat.

# ? May 31, 2010 00:50

Perestroika: Apr 8, 2010

Tesla Insanely Coil posted:

I wrote out a response to the Arpaio email posted earlier today. Added some bible verses since that's the crowd I was emailing.

I did have links but I didn't want to paste them in the above quote but I can add them if anyone is interested.

tsk tsk, didn't you read it properly?

quote:

If you agree, pass this on. If not, just delete it.

Really, that's no way to treat the poor sender of that email :haw:

But more seriously, nice work on that. If you get any funny responses to your response, please put them here as well

# ? May 31, 2010 20:04

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# ? May 15, 2024 01:26

RagnarokAngel: Oct 5, 2006; Black Magic Extraordinaire

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I wonder why, no, I know why you never saw this on the mainstream media!

Just came from the memorial ceremony here at NORTHCOM. LTC (CH) Robert Leivers led the group in a ceremony here at the headquarters. During the ceremony, he relayed this little-known story from the Pentagon on 9/11: "During a visit with a fellow chaplain, who happened to be assigned to the Pentagon, I had a chance to hear a first-hand account of an incident that happened right after Flt 77 hit the Pentagon. The Chaplain told me what happened at a daycare center near where the impact occurred.

This daycare had many children, including infants who were in heavy cribs. The daycare supervisor, looking at all the children they needed to evacuate, was in a panic over what they could do; there were many children, mostly toddlers, as well as the infants that would need to be taken out with the cribs. There was no time to try to bundle them into carriers and strollers.

Just then a young Marine came running into the center and asked what they needed. After hearing what the center director was trying to do, he ran back out into the hallway and disappeared. The director thought, 'well, there we are- on our own.' About 2 minutes later, that Marine returned with 40 others in tow. Each of them grabbed a crib with a child, and the rest started gathering up toddlers. The director and her staff then helped them take all the children out of the center and down toward the park near the Potomac and the Pentagon.

Once they got about 3/4 of a mile outside the building, the Marines stopped in the park, and then did a fabulous thing - they formed a circle with the cribs, which were quite sturdy and heavy, like the covered wagons in the West. Inside this circle of cribs, they put the toddlers, to keep them from wandering off. Outside this circle were the 40 Marines, forming a perimeter around the children and waiting for instructions. There they remained until the parents could be notified and come get their children."

The NORTHCOM chaplain then said- "I don't think any of us saw nor heard of this on any of the news stories of the day. It was an incredible story."

I must say- there wasn't a dry eye in the room. The thought of those Marines and what they did and how fast they reacted- could we expect any less from them?? It was one of the most touching stories from the Pentagon I've EVER heard.

This one isn't inherently bad, not even close to some of them in here. But it does have a few tropes that fit this thread. Namely "The mainstream liberal media doesnt report this!".
Naturally it's fictious and while it's a nice story the worst part is the absolutely creepy marine worship in here. Read that last paragraph seriously.

RagnarokAngel fucked around with this message at 06:42 on Jun 1, 2010

# ? Jun 1, 2010 06:40

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