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Ah, fair enough. I just clicked to the Jagged Alliance 2 and Disciples 2 pages directly and it still had them both as full price.
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May 28, 2010 13:45
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kuddles posted:Ah, fair enough. I just clicked to the Jagged Alliance 2 and Disciples 2 pages directly and it still had them both as full price. Usually with their promos you'll see the discount when you check out. That is a bit misleading when you're browsing the game page and not the promo page, but at least they're consistent.
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May 28, 2010 14:09
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A word of warning: Disciples 2 is a good game, but I can only get it to run at low resolutions (there don't seem to be any resolution hacks floating around the 'net). Unless you have a 4:3 CRT or something, it'll probably end up looking like a blurry mess. That said, I picked up Jagged Alliance 2, since it's apparently a classic and I love turn-based strategy. Why oh why do I keep buying games... 
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May 28, 2010 14:25
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Anonononomous posted:You lost manual control of your dorsal and belly thrusters. Or I never found out how to use them. I think they're unbound by default, but you can activate them. There was an official control configuration app somewhere - there's a big fan-site with all the mods for the game on it. Lemme see if I can't find it. Edit: Yep, still around. Although I think I should back up everything to a single DVD sometime just for archival purposes.
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May 28, 2010 14:27
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It's not "apparently" a classic it is very assuredly a classic. Don't feel so bad about buying this one. There is literally no finer TBS game out there and as you say you're a fan of the genre I'm shocked you haven't played it yet. You are probably already aware, but you should be installing the 1.13 mod from the very get-go. There's a thread with more information here.
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May 28, 2010 14:29
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Picked Disciples 2 up because a friend kept pestering me to.Devil Wears Wings posted:A word of warning: Disciples 2 is a good game, but I can only get it to run at low resolutions (there don't seem to be any resolution hacks floating around the 'net). Unless you have a 4:3 CRT or something, it'll probably end up looking like a blurry mess. Surely you can just alt+enter it to windowed mode? Also, for those of you buying JA2, don't bother getting the expansions. Just get vanilla JA2 and install the 1.13 community patch, the link to witch can be found in the SA JA2 thread.
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May 28, 2010 15:15
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Ansob. posted:Surely you can just alt+enter it to windowed mode?  Well that settles it: I'm giving the game another try this weekend. 
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May 28, 2010 15:51
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Quickie on JA2 1.13 (because the thread for 1.13 is nine miles long): is it mostly-vanilla when you install it, or is it necessary to pore through ini files and changelogs to figure out how to turn off space aliens and lasers? I've been burned on these "dude, don't even play this game until you've installed this totally cool fan patch first!" addons.
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May 28, 2010 16:12
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doctorfrog posted:Quickie on JA2 1.13 (because the thread for 1.13 is nine miles long): is it mostly-vanilla when you install it, or is it necessary to pore through ini files and changelogs to figure out how to turn off space aliens and lasers? I've been burned on these "dude, don't even play this game until you've installed this totally cool fan patch first!" addons. I would turn off Drassen counter-attack (an overwhelming strike of dozens of elites right after you take Drassen) and "allow militia reinforcments from other sectors" (which also applies to enemies, which means the first battle of every city will usually be against 30+ enemies).
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May 28, 2010 16:18
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doctorfrog posted:Quickie on JA2 1.13 (because the thread for 1.13 is nine miles long): is it mostly-vanilla when you install it, or is it necessary to pore through ini files and changelogs to figure out how to turn off space aliens and lasers? I've been burned on these "dude, don't even play this game until you've installed this totally cool fan patch first!" addons.
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May 28, 2010 16:18
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Jagged Alliance 2 is totally worth $5 for anybody who doesn't already own it. With the 1.13 fan patch installed, it is a fantastic tactical shooter.
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May 28, 2010 16:28
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So regarding JA 1.13, after you install it there will be an executable in the game directory that is called ini editor or something. Open that up and you can choose to use the 1.13 or the vanilla ini (which will technically still be a 1.13 ini but attempting to reflect vanilla play as much as possible). The box you select between the inis is on the middle left. I think drassen counterattack is turned off in both by defaults. If you turn it on, make sure reinforcements are off, because if you are new to the game you will have no idea how to deal with 80 enemies at once and be unhappy. I'd use the 1.13 ini btw. Make sure reinforcements are off though. And I'd probably turn off mobile militia too, but you could just not train any.
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May 28, 2010 16:35
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doctorfrog posted:Quickie on JA2 1.13 (because the thread for 1.13 is nine miles long): is it mostly-vanilla when you install it, or is it necessary to pore through ini files and changelogs to figure out how to turn off space aliens and lasers? I've been burned on these "dude, don't even play this game until you've installed this totally cool fan patch first!" addons. You can play 1.13 totally vanilla as long as you set sci-fi off if you don't want the bugs. I'd still turn off the Drassen counter-attack in the .ini editor unless you want a really challenging beginning. There's an .ini editor provided with it that lets you see all the values classed by what sort of thing they are (i.e. extra mechanics or difficulty tweaks or character creation or mercenary recruitment, etc.), explains everything they do and tells you what the min/max values are. Other than that it's mostly stuff that makes the game more realistic like the suppression mechanics, and difficulty tweaks.
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Thanks for the replies. Sounds like what I want to do is install 1.13, and mainly go for vanilla, which seems like it is really easy to switch on. Though some of these play mechanics sound pretty good for even a first playthrough... Well at least the .ini editor is pretty friendly. What's this Bobby Ray's thing? Is it part of the addon?
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May 28, 2010 16:53
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doctorfrog posted:Thanks for the replies. Sounds like what I want to do is install 1.13, and mainly go for vanilla, which seems like it is really easy to switch on. Though some of these play mechanics sound pretty good for even a first playthrough... Well at least the .ini editor is pretty friendly. Bobby Ray is an in-game "online" weapon store from which you can order weapons, ammo, equipment, etc. In 1.13, you can set the quality of his goods when you start a new game. Im using "excelent" so he will have some really usefull poo poo.
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May 28, 2010 16:56
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Filthy Monkey posted:Jagged Alliance 2 is totally worth $5 for anybody who doesn't already own it. With the 1.13 fan patch installed, it is a fantastic tactical shooter. I was initially wary of it because the Games thread makes it look like a bunch of sperglord micro-managing, but I figured for $5 I can see for myself. And hell, it was developed by the guys behind the fantastic Wizardry series.
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May 28, 2010 19:25
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Gashroom posted:
I like how the hooded character next to Vin Diesel is wielding an airsoft shotgun. 
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Devil Wears Wings posted:I was initially wary of it because the Games thread makes it look like a bunch of sperglord micro-managing, but I figured for $5 I can see for myself. And hell, it was developed by the guys behind the fantastic Wizardry series.
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May 28, 2010 19:39
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Devil Wears Wings posted:I was initially wary of it because the Games thread makes it look like a bunch of sperglord micro-managing, but I figured for $5 I can see for myself. And hell, it was developed by the guys behind the fantastic Wizardry series. There aint much micro-management, actually. A lot less than in X-COM, for sure. Game is about hiring hilarious b-movie characters and using then to take over a small country in a guerrilla style war. Of course, there´s more: training militia to protect the cities you taken, buying guns, healing soldiers and repairing equipment, doing side-quests, etc. But the core is the combat, and the combat is awesome like no other game in its genre. Honestly, is still the best turn-based squad-level game ever.
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Devil Wears Wings posted:I was initially wary of it because the Games thread makes it look like a bunch of sperglord micro-managing You're wrong. There's no microing and I'm pretty sure no one ever mentioned it. If you don't like gun porn though, you're not going to like JA2. It's all about the one out of 100 AP gain from attaching a folding stock (but not a retractable one) to your MP5N instead of using an MP5A5 with retracting (but not folding) stock. (My examples suck, I can't remember whether the MP5 series takes folding or retracting stocks and the MP5N is worse than the MP5A4 and I'm not even sure the A5 is in, or is it the other way round?) Elias_Maluco posted:Of course, there´s more: training militia to protect the cities you taken, buying guns, healing soldiers and repairing equipment, doing side-quests, etc. You forgot buying guns (and also buying guns) and equipping guns (and buying ammo (and guns)).
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Ansob. posted:You're wrong. There's no microing and I'm pretty sure no one ever mentioned it. Yeah, most micro-management is actually choosing guns and attachments for guns. I will spend hours choosing equipment for my mercs and I love it. But if that´s not your thing, you can play without the "tons of guns" starting option and choosing guns become a matter of simple choices.
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Elias_Maluco posted:But if that´s not your thing, you can play without the "tons of guns" starting option and choosing guns become a matter of simple choices. Yeah, but that makes it not as fun. A huge part of the appeal is the incredibly vast number of guns.
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I'm glad JA2 is finally on sale. I've been waiting to rebuy it for a while. It's been a while since I last played with the 1.13 mod but drat, they completely changed stuff like a whole new inventory system with holsters and poo poo :P. I can't wait to micromanage magazines and stuff! I also completely forgot all the hotkeys so I'm running around and proning like an idiot. I can't wait to attach all these toys to lovely/awesome guns and blow up heads. Oh and I want to get a mortar and mustard gas rounds  .But yeah, main gameplay is the really detailed turn-based combat. You don't really need to deal with all the micromanagement of making your guns awesome but you probably should. There's a bunch of neat little rpg elements that also make a difference if you notice them (stats and missing shipments...). The economy system is simple enough though. You just capture towns, secure the silver mine, and get $. You also need to train militia so they don't get taken over but that's it pretty much. There's also mafia and farmers you have to worry about too.
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Elias_Maluco posted:There aint much micro-management, actually. A lot less than in X-COM, for sure. Yeah, JA2 is basically the closest thing we're going to get to an A-Team game. You assemble a team of ridiculous caricatured soldiers of fortune (some more professional than others), and go on a mission to liberate an oppressed nation from their tyrannical (and equally cartoonish, monologuing, and minion-abusing) queen. The 1.13 patch improves on it no end, and most of the tweaks made to gameplay are very intuitive. Just details like how it takes a moment to lift a gun up to aim it, but successive shots, so long as you don't lower the weapon, will be slightly faster. It's a classic, and has aged far better than X-Com. The continued fan support being a major part of that. Edit: Unless already linked, here's the latest all-in-one fan patch with easy install options. It really does upgrade the game a massive amount. Dominic White fucked around with this message at 20:48 on May 28, 2010 |
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Chalk up another purchase on GOG.com of a game that sounds super cool that I never bothered playing but probably won't have time or the will to play for another year or more. Thanks again, GOG.com thread on somethingawful.com forums!
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drat, it's been a while since I last played JA2, and the fan-patch really has gone from strength to strength. Having a great big configuration app instead of editing INI files is a great choice. Really lets you tweak the game to you exact personal preference, should you have one. Integrated multiplayer as well now, huh? These guys really are something else. I'd also forgotten just how charming the little character quirks were. Nails, a biker, and one of the more reliable mid-range priced mercs, won't let you touch his leather jacket, and will tell you off if you try and take it out of his inventory. Dominic White fucked around with this message at 21:52 on May 28, 2010 |
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Dominic White posted:drat, it's been a while since I last played JA2, and the fan-patch really has gone from strength to strength. Having a great big configuration app instead of editing INI files is a great choice. Really lets you tweak the game to you exact personal preference, should you have one. I think what keeps the JA2 community so alive and active is the fact that there is really no alternative out there if you like this kind of game. Silent Storm cant even be compared to JA2 and is the best game on the genre released since JA2. So when the source code was released, these fanatics started improving on it insetad of just waiting for a JA3 that will probably never come. Patch 1.13 is a fantastic achievement that makes a great game better in ever way. I cant recommend playing vanilla anymore. Even if you turn off all new gameplay features, 1.13 is still better (better AI, new very usefull keyboard shortcuts, some improvements taken from Unfinished Business..).
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I already have JA2, but I was thinking of getting JA1, just out of curiosity. Obviously, JA2 is better in pretty much every possible way, but what is JA1 like?
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im_sorry posted:I already have JA2, but I was thinking of getting JA1, just out of curiosity. Obviously, JA2 is better in pretty much every possible way, but what is JA1 like? I've only extensively played the DS port but I like that it's simpler and faster to play. Your commands are pretty much move/shoot but it has fewer of those unfair moments in JA2 where the average third-world soldier is a better shot in the dark at 500m away than your $10,000 a day merc.
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moot the hopple posted:If I felt pretty ambivalent about HOMMIV, particularly the storyline, would HOMIII be any better? You'll be happy to know that the fourth game is commonly regarded as the lowest point in the series and the third game is commonly regarded as one of the best strategy games of all time.
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moot the hopple posted:If I felt pretty ambivalent about HOMMIV, particularly the storyline, would HOMIII be any better? Definitely worth picking up.
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MrBims posted:You'll be happy to know that the fourth game is commonly regarded as the lowest point in the series and the third game is commonly regarded as one of the best strategy games of all time. Pretty much; the only thing good I can think about Heroes IV was the music. The music was phenomenal.
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All you need to know about Ubisoft is that around 2005 they decided they should take over all their franchises and run them into the ground.
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al-azad posted:All you need to know about Ubisoft is that around 2005 they decided they should take over all their franchises and run them into the ground. Although to be fair HOMMV was a great game, admittedly because it was effectively a clone of HOMMIII but worse. Long story short HOMMIII is absolutely amazing and you should buy it for sure. I must admit that I secretly love HOMMIV though, maybe it's the music, maybe it's stomping around in the campaign with 7 super heroes of doom that makes it feel more like an epic RPG than a TBS. Having said that, it's heavily flawed and I can easily see why most people don't like it. Thanks to this thread I have bought JA2 and got the 1.13 patch. I've never played this game before. What sort of ride am I in for? I adore X-Com and managing loadouts, so I'm thinking it's going to be amazing. Don't fail me Games!
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shalcar posted:Thanks to this thread I have bought JA2 and got the 1.13 patch. I've never played this game before. What sort of ride am I in for? I adore X-Com and managing loadouts, so I'm thinking it's going to be amazing. Don't fail me Games! It's a little different from X-Com, there's less Macro. You control much smaller squads of mercenaries (usually not more than 6) in a much more precise and in-depth manner. But I guess if you like managing loadouts, you'll love JA2 with 1.13 because there is just so much poo poo, with a pretty sweet inventory system.
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i'm not anything close to a gun nut but JA1.13 has ruined me for FPSs that purport to give you a large choice of weapons, especially guns that have picatinny rails modeled but not used (BAD COMPANY 2 RAWRGH) also ammo-mix-and-matching basically what i'm saying is everything i know about guns i learned from JA1.13
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Jinnigan posted:i'm not anything close to a gun nut but JA1.13 has ruined me for FPSs that purport to give you a large choice of weapons, especially guns that have picatinny rails modeled but not used (BAD COMPANY 2 RAWRGH) The new attachment system currently in development for 1.13 is going to ruin even more games for you. 
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So from the feedback here, I'm sold on Jagged Alliance 2, but is Disciples II worth picking up as well?
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