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Karmine posted:But wouldn't the talent themselves have to approve the buy out of the contracts? I dunno how all this works but I would imagine that the wrestlers would have at least SOME agency in it. Not really. It's a company acquisition. The talent whose contracts were left behind were owned by Time Warner/AOL. The WWF did buy out a lot of contracts and then tell them to take a lesser WWF contract. If the WWF wasn't running XFL, wasn't so loving cheap and instead just bought the ones they needed out and went for it, managing the locker room instead of letting Undertaker manage the locker room, things would have been better organized.
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Lone Rogue posted:This is why the Invasion was a loving failure. They poo poo away every possible dream match, made WCW look like complete bitches, signed all of their major talent AFTER the Invasion and put WWF talents on the WCW side. The problem with the Invasion angle is that yes, with as little as ten minutes' thought we could all come up with rudimentary angles that would be better than what they did, but the egos on both sides (mostly the WWF side) wouldn't allow fair booking to occur. The mindset was, these motherfuckers tried to bankrupt us, and now we're getting our receipts.
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May 27, 2010 22:02
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Minidust posted:Didn't Vince get WCW for a stupidly low price? Like, low enough that a well-to-do fan could have theoretically bought it? I always figured there must be something I was misunderstanding about that. About 2 million.
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May 27, 2010 22:03
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Minidust posted:Didn't Vince get WCW for a stupidly low price? Like, low enough that a well-to-do fan could have theoretically bought it? I always figured there must be something I was misunderstanding about that. $3 million. Low enough that if we sent the Wrestlicious dude back in time, he could get it. The problem is that there weren't any other buyers that could give them guaranteed TV time, so the WCW tape library and contracts and whatnot was deemed to be pretty worthless without TV in place.
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CVagts posted:$3 million. Low enough that if we sent the Wrestlicious dude back in time, he could get it. The problem is that there weren't any other buyers that could give them guaranteed TV time, so the WCW tape library and contracts and whatnot was deemed to be pretty worthless without TV in place. This is a stupid in retrospect, because the DVD market was exploding around the time WCW was bought. Without the big money contracts they probably could have held out doing house shows, and selling DVD sets until they could get a TV deal.
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Magic_Ceiling_Fan posted:This is a stupid in retrospect, because the DVD market was exploding around the time WCW was bought. Without the big money contracts they probably could have held out doing house shows, and selling DVD sets until they could get a TV deal. The problem was that I think only Bischoff and Vince were interested in it, and without TV, Bischoff didn't see any value in it.
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CVagts posted:The problem was that I think only Bischoff and Vince were interested in it, and without TV, Bischoff didn't see any value in it. Bischoff saw the value in it, but his backers in Fusient said, "No TV? No deal. No way we're investing eight figures in a property with no television agreement." Then the price plummeted, and then Vince swooped in.
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Yeah it was just the final hammer blow in a long series of short-sighted, short-term planning - the tape library alone would have been worth who knows how many millions, as noted the DVD market was getting set to explode and anybody with a lick of sense could see that. Hell, even if they couldn't, surely they should have seen the value in home video compilations. Also my understanding has always been that the top, top WCW guys didn't actually have contracts with WCW itself but Time-Warner? I recall reading something about how they weren't part of the sale of the company itself and the cost of buying them out would have been ludicrously high and caused TREMENDOUS tension/bad feelings in the WWF locker-room if failed, "poison" guys like Nash, Hall and Hogan came in on hugely inflated salaries - not to mention that very thing was one of the factors in WCW's eventual demise. The benefit that all "fantasy bookers" have, whether it be Cornette doing a guest booking bit or fans sending in their e-mails to the Observer, is that the money/shareholders/liquidity/morale of I'm certainly not saying that the Invasion was handled the best it could be, because it sure as gently caress wasn't, just that a lot of the "common sense" ideas on how to improve it really aren't feasible.
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I was linked to a video of Abdullah the Butcher the other day, and it got me thinking about the current mandates on how WWE wrestlers should look to have a chance of getting pushed. When was the last time a fat guy got pushed in WWE/F? Back in the day you had loads of guys in the mid- and sometime upper card that were big fat fatties (Bossman, Bigelow, Akeem, Yoko)... Sure most of them were never pushed to main event status but they still got decent pushes and feuded with main eventers. I suppose Big Daddy V got a decent monster push for a while, but the only reason he was in position to get that push was thanks to breaking into the company back when fatties had a spot on the roster. What other notable fatties has there been in recent memory?
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Beeswax posted:I was linked to a video of Abdullah the Butcher the other day, and it got me thinking about the current mandates on how WWE wrestlers should look to have a chance of getting pushed. Closest recent new one would be Umaga.
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Beeswax posted:I was linked to a video of Abdullah the Butcher the other day, and it got me thinking about the current mandates on how WWE wrestlers should look to have a chance of getting pushed. Mickie James.
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May 28, 2010 00:08
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KungFu Grip posted:Closest recent new one would be Umaga. Samoans don't count!
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May 28, 2010 00:09
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Big Daddy V's push was pretty baffling, since it seemed designed to make Punk look pretty bad.
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Beeswax posted:Samoans don't count! You mention Yokozuna in your original post.  Seriously though, there really hasn't been many wrestlers recently that have been pushed or featured as Monsters because they are fat and overweight.
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May 28, 2010 00:11
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Beeswax posted:I was linked to a video of Abdullah the Butcher the other day, and it got me thinking about the current mandates on how WWE wrestlers should look to have a chance of getting pushed. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_rrP0j9yMU
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May 28, 2010 00:12
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projecthalaxy posted:Was any card ever as subject to change as the GAB 2006? Lone Rogue posted:The loving worst, WORST thing and proof they planned to bury the whole thing was instead of waiting one goddamn week to do the Nitro/Raw split, and do it in ATLANTA GEORGIA, they did it in I believe Seattle where nobody gave a gently caress about WCW.
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LividLiquid posted:Souled Out 2000? As someone from Tacoma you can go straight to hell.
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May 28, 2010 01:00
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Can we NOT talk about the Invasion again? The same tired arguments and recaps seem to come up once a month here.
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Dragging Iron Feet posted:Can we NOT talk about the Invasion again? The same tired arguments and recaps seem to come up once a month here. Yes, lets not talk about an important point in wrestling that was asked about in this thread.
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KungFu Grip posted:Yes, lets not talk about an important point in wrestling that was asked about in this thread. Lets just make an Invasion thread. Since this is the questions thread: why don't we make an Invasion thread?
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The A-Team Van posted:Lets just make an Invasion thread. Because we can just throw it into the WCW Thread.
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Sorry but the Invasion happened to WWE and all of us as well.
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So are we really gonna do an Invasion thread?
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KungFu Grip posted:Yes, lets not talk about an important point in wrestling that was asked about in this thread.
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Dragging Iron Feet posted:Pretty sure if you went back about 10 pages in this thread you'd find the same discussion and went back another 10 or so pages you'd find the same discussion etc. Its an eventual topic that gets brought up often because its an important part of Wrestling and people who weren't around for it get curious. If it would please you I'd like to stop talking about the Invasion for now as we are the only ones talking about it and let this thread go on.
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Dragging Iron Feet posted:Can we NOT talk about the Invasion again? The same tired arguments and recaps seem to come up once a month here. Well sure, what do YOU want to talk about? The weather? Bands we like? Girls that have broken our hearts? The Matrix? You ate any good books lately? I mean, we wouldnt want you to have to scroll past on-topic posts that you arent interested in or anything. Someone asked a question that didnt deserve its own thread, so people are talking about it. In fact, much as it IS an often-discussed topic, I hadnt heard that much about Cornettes fantasy booking, so I found this discussion interesting.
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Everyone is forgetting the best part of the Invasion. Chuck and Billy.
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Have we reached Peak Finisher? I mean think about it. In the last 30 years we have seen finishers progressing from floor-level leg drops and DDTs to corkscrew springboard 630s and Canadian Destroyers. There does not seem to be enough human physiology left to support another 20-30 years of that progression.
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Soon, mainstream wrestling promotions will copy CZW's weed whacker finisher.
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Meat Recital posted:Soon, mainstream wrestling promotions will copy CZW's weed whacker finisher. Jeff Hardy, motherfuckin' champion of.
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SiKboy posted:Well sure, what do YOU want to talk about? The weather? Bands we like? Girls that have broken our hearts? The Matrix? You ate any good books lately? I mean, we wouldnt want you to have to scroll past on-topic posts that you arent interested in or anything. Could someone tell me the story of the bearskin rug that's supposedly at Titan Towers?  (Echoing the 'who cares if someone is asking a repeat question?' sentiment. You sometimes learn or see new things...I liked the partial breakdown someone did of that Cornette video.)
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Perdido posted:Could someone tell me the story of the bearskin rug that's supposedly at Titan Towers? Vince has a bearskin rug in his office. Something something Pat Patterson joke.
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Perdido posted:Could someone tell me the story of the bearskin rug that's supposedly at Titan Towers? There is nothing more to the story than Vince has a bearskin rug in his office, upon which sexual favours are performed by young wrestlers who will do anything to be a star. Allegedly.
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May 28, 2010 20:55
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projecthalaxy posted:Have we reached Peak Finisher? We just go back to wrestlers who execute a move better than anyone else use that move as their finisher. Right now, we're unquestionably in the "Fireman's Carry" era of WWE finishers.
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May 28, 2010 21:04
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Lone Rogue posted:We just go back to wrestlers who execute a move better than anyone else use that move as their finisher. Cena with the Attitude Adjustment Punk with Go 2 Sleep Barrett with his...whip-slam thingy. Who else?
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oldpainless posted:So are we really gonna do an Invasion thread? I'll have an OP posted by tomorrow.
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Umbra Dubium posted:There is nothing more to the story than Vince has a bearskin rug in his office, upon which sexual favours are performed by young wrestlers who will do anything to be a star. Allegedly. Wonder if Austin was there :P Anywho, finishers don't have to evolve into nutso stuff. I always marked big for Monty Brown's Pounce.
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ChampRamp posted:Wonder if Austin was there :P It's completely pure gossip and something I got from a guy who worked as a WWE writer. You can think he's complete BS or I am, but he said Austin and Vince were massive cokeheads.
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