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Mr. Fictitious
Jul 9, 2002

by Ozmaugh
Hello I have missed the past 500 posts. What tragedies have befallen you all

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nm
Jan 28, 2008

"I saw Minos the Space Judge holding a golden sceptre and passing sentence upon the Martians. There he presided, and around him the noble Space Prosecutors sought the firm justice of space law."

Kase Im Licht posted:

Isn't the 3rd day only a half day?

ABA pass rate is close to 80%, that's not that bad.
ABA California law school first timers.
All ABA is 67%

terrorist ambulance
Nov 5, 2009
Are there many Canadian lawyers here? It's odd reading all the doom and gloom from the Americans in this thread, things don't seem so bad here. Then again I guess we don't have a law school for every 2 or 3 people in the country

JudicialRestraints
Oct 26, 2007

Are you a LAWYER? Because I'll have you know I got GOOD GRADES in LAW SCHOOL last semester. Don't even try to argue THE LAW with me.

Mr. Fictitious posted:

Hello I have missed the past 500 posts. What tragedies have befallen you all

I just got a terrible grade. E-mailed the professor. He basically admitted that the curve was so tight it was random.

Looks like I'm gonna end up working in Green County or something.

HooKars
Feb 22, 2006
Comeon!

quotison posted:

I think every state is two days except California and Louisiana.

There are a ton of states with three days exams - Texas is a big one, but a lot of the south does like South Carolina, Mississippi, Arkansas, and Alabama. Washington has a three day exam because there's a day of professional responsibility and no MMPRE. And there are other states too... Delaware, Ohio and probably more.

Montana manages to have a three day bar and no reciprocity just like California.

G-Mawwwwwww
Jan 31, 2003

My LPth are Hot Garbage
Biscuit Hider

Mr. Fictitious posted:

Hello I have missed the past 500 posts. What tragedies have befallen you all

I'm fighting with a Yale grad with 50 years of experience over how a case is decided. I'm going to lose this fight and it's going to cost us a LOT of money.

Maggie Fletcher
Jul 19, 2009
Getting brunch is more important to me than other peoples lives.

Kase Im Licht posted:

Isn't the 3rd day only a half day?

ABA pass rate is close to 80%, that's not that bad.

Not for CA...full three days. I had thought that about WA too, but wasn't sure.

Mr. Fictitious posted:

Hello I have missed the past 500 posts. What tragedies have befallen you all

Graduation, miserably dismal job market, below average chance at passing the bar. So, the usual.

quotison
Dec 29, 2005

don't hit your head

HooKars posted:

There are a ton of states with three days exams - Texas is a big one, but a lot of the south does like South Carolina, Mississippi, Arkansas, and Alabama. Washington has a three day exam because there's a day of professional responsibility and no MMPRE. And there are other states too... Delaware, Ohio and probably more.

Montana manages to have a three day bar and no reciprocity just like California.

Haha, whoops, I had no idea. Must be my northeastern bias showing.

Alaemon
Jan 4, 2009

Proctors are guardians of the sanctity and integrity of legal education, therefore they are responsible for the nourishment of the soul.

Mr. Fictitious posted:

Hello I have missed the past 500 posts. What tragedies have befallen you all

Law school.

Abugadu
Jul 12, 2004

1st Sgt. Matthews and the men have Procured for me a cummerbund from a traveling gypsy, who screeched Victory shall come at a Terrible price. i am Honored.

Torpor posted:

Well I'm more than happy to drink Ainsley's milkshake, so I was looking at Guam jobs.

http://www.guamattorneygeneral.com/Job_Announcement.html

What the hell is a Court Clearance? They talk about it as if it separate from a certificate of good standing and separate from a police record certificate. Google turns up nothing and I've never heard of it. Applying for this job seems like a colossal pain compared to other jobs, but Guam looks like an adventure and I'm more than ready for a change of pace (from doing nothing at all).

It's going to the desk at the local court and having them certify that you don't have a massive criminal record, or a ton of unpaid parking tickets.

If you are going to apply, PM me or give me an email address. Right now there's only prosecution jobs available in GovGuam, and I can get your info to the right person far more quickly.

Solomon Grundy
Feb 10, 2007

Born on a Monday

quotison posted:

I think every state is two days except California and Louisiana.

Ohio was three days when I took it back in the stone age.

evilweasel
Aug 24, 2002

Mr. Fictitious posted:

Hello I have missed the past 500 posts. What tragedies have befallen you all

I got the same grade on an exam I didn't study for and legit thought I failed as I do on all the others.

Dallan Invictus
Oct 11, 2007

The thing about words is that meanings can twist just like a snake, and if you want to find snakes, look for them behind words that have changed their meaning.
I graduated today and am legitimately worried this will be the highest point of my life.

Talked to a classmate of mine who narrowly beat me for a paid internship-possibly-leading-to-job with a government agency. He's considering leaving it to try for private practice. I wanted to shake him and tell him he was crazy...but I said "cool, good luck, let me know what you decide, I might be interested."

Who knows, maybe I'll luck out!

J Miracle
Mar 25, 2010
It took 32 years, but I finally figured out push-ups!
Goons be suin their parents http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3313177

BigHead
Jul 25, 2003
Huh?


Nap Ghost

quotison posted:

I think every state is two days except California and Louisiana.

Alaska is three days! Hooray!

Also, I was reading up on U.S. Territories today, and I learned that the Northern Mariana Islands a) has a 100% bar passage rate, and b) is in the Guinness Book of World Records for being the most equitable climate on the planet. Therefore, their bar exam is easy and their climate is breezy. And they're right next to Guam, so you can hang out with all the cool kids who have jobs on the big island.

Mr. Fictitious
Jul 9, 2002

by Ozmaugh

evilweasel posted:

I got the same grade on an exam I didn't study for and legit thought I failed as I do on all the others.
My grades still aren't out but I imagine I'll do exactly the same as I did last term even though I did about half as much work and didn't even finish an outline for one of the classes

Abugadu
Jul 12, 2004

1st Sgt. Matthews and the men have Procured for me a cummerbund from a traveling gypsy, who screeched Victory shall come at a Terrible price. i am Honored.

BigHead posted:

Also, I was reading up on U.S. Territories today, and I learned that the Northern Mariana Islands a) has a 100% bar passage rate, and b) is in the Guinness Book of World Records for being the most equitable climate on the planet. Therefore, their bar exam is easy and their climate is breezy. And they're right next to Guam, so you can hang out with all the cool kids who have jobs on the big island.

Trick to passing the CNMI bar exam: take it when some local kids are taking it, they'll pass everyone just to make sure the local kid makes it. The time I took it? 6 for 6. :smug:

However, the CNMI is currently turning into a 3rd world country, and is probably not the most hospitable place to be practicing. See, e.g., https://www.saipansucks.com - not updated since 2006, but just use your imagination to project what would happen to such a place once the garment industry dissolves and they've chased away all the tourism/military $$.

On the other hand, there are job opportunities there.

G-Mawwwwwww
Jan 31, 2003

My LPth are Hot Garbage
Biscuit Hider
So, hypothetical.

A judge dislikes us and dislikes our case. Said case involves a matter of pure law to be decided- a contractual interpretation. But it's not a contractual interpretation between the two parties at hand- it's between our client and another party.

Would it really piss the judge off if I filed a dec action against that other party in another venue and tried to use that judgment via collateral estoppel?

nm
Jan 28, 2008

"I saw Minos the Space Judge holding a golden sceptre and passing sentence upon the Martians. There he presided, and around him the noble Space Prosecutors sought the firm justice of space law."

J Miracle posted:

Goons be suin their parents http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3313177
I have that case, except it was a dude and his girlfriend. He's gonna do ~90d in jail.
(The history of DV convictions didn't help him.)

remote control carnivore
May 7, 2009
Hey abugadu, how does the job market in Guam look for non-lawyers? Say in some basic office work, or maybe a teaching position? Guam's looking pretty good lately. Hopefully my husband passes the CA bar this time.

HiddenReplaced
Apr 21, 2007

Yeah...
it's wanking time.

CaptainScraps posted:

So, hypothetical.

A judge dislikes us and dislikes our case. Said case involves a matter of pure law to be decided- a contractual interpretation. But it's not a contractual interpretation between the two parties at hand- it's between our client and another party.

Would it really piss the judge off if I filed a dec action against that other party in another venue and tried to use that judgment via collateral estoppel?

Why are you asking a question you should already know the answer to?

quotison
Dec 29, 2005

don't hit your head
More bar exam chat: How much preparing do you really need to do for the MPT? I'm taking New York, so we have one and it is worth 10% of your score. Barbri has assigned us like four practice MPTs so far, and I think I get the general gist of the thing by now.

Abugadu
Jul 12, 2004

1st Sgt. Matthews and the men have Procured for me a cummerbund from a traveling gypsy, who screeched Victory shall come at a Terrible price. i am Honored.

Save me jeebus posted:

Hey abugadu, how does the job market in Guam look for non-lawyers? Say in some basic office work, or maybe a teaching position? Guam's looking pretty good lately. Hopefully my husband passes the CA bar this time.

Pretty good, they're always hiring teachers, although you want to get into the private school market if you can, because the administration for the public schools will make you want to pull your own head off. And there's always places looking for office work as well. Double bonus points if you can speak Japanese/Korean/Chinese.

OptimistPrime
Jul 18, 2008

quotison posted:

More bar exam chat: How much preparing do you really need to do for the MPT? I'm taking New York, so we have one and it is worth 10% of your score. Barbri has assigned us like four practice MPTs so far, and I think I get the general gist of the thing by now.

The MPT is so loving easy that you shouldn't waste much time on it. If you've done 4 practice ones, you should be set.

ManiacClown
May 30, 2002

Gone, gone, O honky man,
And rise the M.C. Etrigan!

Abugadu posted:

It's going to the desk at the local court and having them certify that you don't have a massive criminal record, or a ton of unpaid parking tickets.

If you are going to apply, PM me or give me an email address. Right now there's only prosecution jobs available in GovGuam, and I can get your info to the right person far more quickly.

How are the pay and living conditions there? I need something and maybe, just maybe, this could be my ticket. The sticking points would be my wife and 4-year-old.

Abugadu
Jul 12, 2004

1st Sgt. Matthews and the men have Procured for me a cummerbund from a traveling gypsy, who screeched Victory shall come at a Terrible price. i am Honored.

ManiacClown posted:

How are the pay and living conditions there? I need something and maybe, just maybe, this could be my ticket. The sticking points would be my wife and 4-year-old.

Gov. pay for attorneys starts at 40k/year, private is starting 50-60k/year, but you'd have to pass the local bar first for that. Gov. attorneys get 5 years of temporary admission if they've passed the bar elsewhere.

Living conditions are fine, though wives/kids tend to not like it here unless your wife likes the outdoors and you can afford a private school for your kid.

The government jobs have filled up quite rapidly over the last year, there's only a couple spots left in the prosecution office, since all the people who would traditionally come here and work for a year or two before leaving are all sticking around due to the job market in the states.

lipstick thespian
Sep 20, 2005

by Ozmaugh

JudicialRestraints posted:

I just got a terrible grade. E-mailed the professor. He basically admitted that the curve was so tight it was random.

Looks like I'm gonna end up working in Green County or something.

WHY DO YOU EVEN HAVE A "CURVE"

WHY DO YOU RANDOMLY ASSIGN GRADES

WHY ARE PROFESSORS SO SHAMELESSLY HONEST ABOUT THE FACT THAT THE ENTIRE SYSTEM IS A PRETENTIOUS loving FARCE


Law school is the worst. I feel strongly about this and I don't even live in the US.

7StoryFall
Nov 16, 2003
I'm hoping to win the lotto (on my grades).

Incredulous Red
Mar 25, 2008

Anyone know how to make superscript numbers automatically sequential in Word?

remote control carnivore
May 7, 2009

Abugadu posted:

Gov. pay for attorneys starts at 40k/year, private is starting 50-60k/year, but you'd have to pass the local bar first for that. Gov. attorneys get 5 years of temporary admission if they've passed the bar elsewhere.

Living conditions are fine, though wives/kids tend to not like it here unless your wife likes the outdoors and you can afford a private school for your kid.


I love being outside, I turn a pleasant brown and I'm more than happy ensconcing myself in a hammock in off hours.

I'd probably want to get my SCUBA license but I've been wanting to do that anyway, don't care if I'm a borderline fatty.

No kids so don't give a rat's rear end as far as that. I'd care about job conditions if I began teaching. Unfortunately no Korean/Chinese/Japanese.

Gonna send my husband to the Guam saltmines if the LA County hiring freeze doesn't lift soon it won't

gvibes
Jan 18, 2010

Leading us to the promised land (i.e., one tournament win in five years)

CaptainScraps posted:

So, hypothetical.

A judge dislikes us and dislikes our case. Said case involves a matter of pure law to be decided- a contractual interpretation. But it's not a contractual interpretation between the two parties at hand- it's between our client and another party.

Would it really piss the judge off if I filed a dec action against that other party in another venue and tried to use that judgment via collateral estoppel?
1) Probably wouldn't be pissed, but the cases may end up being consolidated.
2) A judgment in the other case could only be used for collateral estoppel against you if you lose. It may have some evidentiary value if it's in your favor though. Look up collateral estoppel again.

G-Mawwwwwww
Jan 31, 2003

My LPth are Hot Garbage
Biscuit Hider

gvibes posted:

1) Probably wouldn't be pissed, but the cases may end up being consolidated.
2) A judgment in the other case could only be used for collateral estoppel against you if you lose. It may have some evidentiary value if it's in your favor though. Look up collateral estoppel again.

Roger. Welp, the summary judgment I wrote isn't going to be filed. I have no idea how the gently caress they think a jury is qualified to settle a loving lease interpretation (matter of law) :sigh:

Edit: New plan.

Piss off opposing counsel enough so that HE files a motion for summary judgment on this issue. It's not going to be hard.

G-Mawwwwwww fucked around with this message at 18:04 on Jun 7, 2010

Torpor
Oct 20, 2008

.. and now for my next trick, I'll pretend to be a political commentator...

HONK HONK
Goddamn, Builds Character should work for the Guam tourism board or the employement recruiting office.

Tetrix
Aug 24, 2002

Days of internship: 1
Number of issues unsuccessfully researched: 3-4

JudicialRestraints
Oct 26, 2007

Are you a LAWYER? Because I'll have you know I got GOOD GRADES in LAW SCHOOL last semester. Don't even try to argue THE LAW with me.

CaptainScraps posted:

Roger. Welp, the summary judgment I wrote isn't going to be filed. I have no idea how the gently caress they think a jury is qualified to settle a loving lease interpretation (matter of law) :sigh:

Edit: New plan.

Piss off opposing counsel enough so that HE files a motion for summary judgment on this issue. It's not going to be hard.

That's funny, I got to look at porn today.
I love government work.

GamingHyena
Jul 25, 2003

Devil's Advocate

JudicialRestraints posted:

That's funny, I got to look at porn today.
I love government work.

How are things at the SEC anyways?

Hired Gun
Nov 25, 2006

by Ozma
I took the LSAT today in Atlanta. I thought I did well except for the fact that I ran out of time on the last 4-5 logic game questions. gently caress me for not studying those enough to get fast at them.

Also the whole production seemed hilariously disorganized. They held it at a hotel and it seemed like they used hotel staff to do a lot of the work. That would have been alright except it appeared like the staff couldn't read, and they were painfully slow getting anything done in a room full of a couple hundred test takers. What should have lasted 3 hours took nearly 6.

Blakkout
Aug 24, 2006

No thought was put into this.
Finally finished that drat petition. My year is officially over. Jesus, you guys weren't kidding... that was hell. I hope to god it somehow gets better next year.

The Warszawa
Jun 6, 2005

Look at me. Look at me.

I am the captain now.

Hired Gun posted:

I took the LSAT today in Atlanta. I thought I did well except for the fact that I ran out of time on the last 4-5 logic game questions. gently caress me for not studying those enough to get fast at them.

Also the whole production seemed hilariously disorganized. They held it at a hotel and it seemed like they used hotel staff to do a lot of the work. That would have been alright except it appeared like the staff couldn't read, and they were painfully slow getting anything done in a room full of a couple hundred test takers. What should have lasted 3 hours took nearly 6.

This is completely par for the course, as far as my limited June 09 experience with the LSAT goes.

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Incredulous Red
Mar 25, 2008

The Warszawa posted:

This is completely par for the course, as far as my limited June 09 experience with the LSAT goes.

Happened at the Boneventure in Los Angeles as well. Started 3 hours late.

Some bitch complained because the lighting wasn't right. They stood up half the room, and we waited while maintenance went and got desk lamps for us.

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