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Leif.
Mar 27, 2005

Son of the Defender
Formerly Diplomaticus/SWATJester

GreySkies posted:

First time taker and passer. Since this is more of a practice run, I know that next time when the test seems fairly easy, it really is and it's not my imagination. For the PNQs, I assume they expect a different verifier for each question. Is this true?

I doubled up I think on a couple. Your PNQ verifiers may not ever be contacted (mine weren't). It's good however, as it will start you thinking on who you will need as contacts for your clearance.

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walrusonthehill
Mar 18, 2008

yes durians
I passed! Good luck to everyone on the QEP.

AKA Pseudonym
May 16, 2004

A dashing and sophisticated young man
Doctor Rope

Aliquid posted:

Are jobs like this all available on the .gov job site or do embassies advertise jobs externally from the system?

Jobs like that are usually advertised locally or within the Embassy community. They're either looking for locals or spouses of Americans who work at the embassy. If you want to move there and get the right visa to live and work there you might qualify. There are a non-trivial number of Americans who work as FSNs. You're on your own in terms of housing and Diplomatic immunity and all that other fun stuff though.

WHERE IS MY COFFEE
Apr 22, 2009

WHO PUT THAT UP THERE
YOU GUYS ARE ASSHOLES
I passed, too! I wasn't expecting to pass the first time. Hopefully I'll run into a few of you in DC someday.

QEP question: Is it better to write with brief, plain language, or should I elaborate on the particulars of my experience with my cultivated mastery of precise diction?

Business of Ferrets
Mar 2, 2008

Good to see that everything is back to normal.

WHERE IS MY COFFEE posted:

I passed, too! I wasn't expecting to pass the first time. Hopefully I'll run into a few of you in DC someday.

QEP question: Is it better to write with brief, plain language, or should I elaborate on the particulars of my experience with my cultivated mastery of precise diction?

Try to write something other people are going to want to read.

xanthig
Apr 23, 2005

Vilerat posted:

Did you get past this part last year?

Yep, made it past the QEP and bombed at the orals.


WHERE IS MY COFFEE posted:

QEP question: Is it better to write with brief, plain language, or should I elaborate on the particulars of my experience with my cultivated mastery of precise diction?

There is a hard 1300 character limit to each answer. To get a good idea of your constraints, imagine trying to fit the entire essay into a five twitter posts.

pantslesswithwolves
Oct 28, 2008

Ba-dam ba-DUMMMMMM

Hoo boy, telephone test on Egyptian Arabic, here we come.

Time to cram like MAD and pretend like I don't speak English for the next three weeks!

Pompous Rhombus
Mar 11, 2007

suboptimal posted:

Hoo boy, telephone test on Egyptian Arabic, here we come.

Time to cram like MAD and pretend like I don't speak English for the next three weeks!

Pick a current news item and bone up on related vocab, they'll probably ask you to discuss a current event of your choosing. Also expect basic stuff: job, family, that kind of thing.

I haven't tried this myself, but if you want a little more time to come up with a response, insert a pause before answering each question, whether you need it or not. The interviewer will assume it's a constant and not be fazed when you actually need the little gap to come up with something. It's a technique for resisting interrogation but I figure carries over to the OPI :v:

CherryCola
Apr 15, 2002

'ahtaj alshifa
Oh god this is getting bad, how i wish I could take the FSOT before October. Currently working a temp job where I have been stuffing envelopes all day for three days straight. Come oooooon Booz Allen.

Skandiaavity
Apr 20, 2005

Pompous Rhombus posted:

Pick a current news item and bone up on related vocab, they'll probably ask you to discuss a current event of your choosing. Also expect basic stuff: job, family, that kind of thing.

heh, 'the issue' where Egypt is allowing Iran (and other countries) to send aid to Gaza, but try to keep your personal thoughts/opinion out of it. It's hard to do this even in English apparently, as news sources do it all the time,

Vilerat
May 11, 2002
You guys that end up making it through have a huge advantage over your new hires. The network you are building now (serious) will help you in the future. Every little bit of your career progression and assignment selection will end up being influenced by who you know and where you have friends.

You never know who ends up being on panels that decide your future.

Leif.
Mar 27, 2005

Son of the Defender
Formerly Diplomaticus/SWATJester

WHERE IS MY COFFEE posted:

I passed, too! I wasn't expecting to pass the first time. Hopefully I'll run into a few of you in DC someday.

QEP question: Is it better to write with brief, plain language, or should I elaborate on the particulars of my experience with my cultivated mastery of precise diction?

You won't have room. There is a strict character limit, and you need to hit for each answer some of the 13 D's, show examples, and explain how the examples make you a good candidate. It's way harder than it looks.

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

Most of my 'personal narrative' is extremely personal; most of my experiences have been with myself alone, and I'm hoping to draw good essays from my solo world travels. Is this just off limits because it cannot be verified? If I put down a verifier, is all they have to say is "yeah, he did that poo poo"?

ATI Jesus
Aug 14, 2003
I can walk on water with my ATI graphics card installed!
I think this job is going to quickly ruin the 4th of July for me.

Skandiaavity
Apr 20, 2005
that's why there's fireworks.. light em if you got em

Vilerat
May 11, 2002

ATI Jesus posted:

I think this job is going to quickly ruin the 4th of July for me.

Yes. The 4th of July is forever ruined as a fun holiday.

Slingshot Smith
Jul 1, 2010
So this tread got me to join!!

Starting with FS in August as an IMS.

After making the register list, I started getting serious about finding more information about the FS ... and I found this thread.

So thanks to to all the current FSers that have been posting. I look foward to hearing more inside info as well has posting my experiences to help others.

Chow

Slingshot

AKA Pseudonym
May 16, 2004

A dashing and sophisticated young man
Doctor Rope
Our Goon horde grows yet again

Welcome aboard

TCD
Nov 13, 2002

Every step, a fucking adventure.

Skandiaavity posted:

that's why there's fireworks.. light em if you got em

We uh, got a video of fireworks.

Skandiaavity
Apr 20, 2005

Slingshot Smith posted:

So this tread got me to join!!

Starting with FS in August as an IMS.

Cool! Congrats on making it through! can I ask you when you applied? How long was it that you heard back from State regarding your application? Thanks (fellow who also applied to IMS back in Jan this year) Man, Patience really is a virtue :(

Oh, and slightly good news - CherryCola, check your email (edit of an edit: Pompous Rhombus and Suborbital I've also followed up with your recruiters, waiting for a response.)


TCD - are you that hard up for fireworks? I'll make you a video myself..

Skandiaavity fucked around with this message at 22:17 on Jul 1, 2010

Slingshot Smith
Jul 1, 2010

Skandiaavity posted:

Cool! Congrats on making it through! can I ask you when you applied? How long was it that you heard back from State regarding your application? Thanks (fellow who also applied to IMS back in Jan this year) Man, Patience really is a virtue :(

Oh, and slightly good news - CherryCola, check your email (edit of an edit: Pompous Rhombus and Suborbital I've also followed up with your recruiters, waiting for a response.)


TCD - are you that hard up for fireworks? I'll make you a video myself..

Hey Skandiaavity ...

My process started in December 2008 with an application. Didnt get contacted for my OA until November of 2009.

OA in December 2009
Started Medical Clearance in December 2009 and Security Clearance in January 2010.

Made the register in March 2010 and contacted for a position in May 2010.

A fair number of the people Im starting with got invites for OA in April and May 2009, but in the end are starting at the same time I am ... go figure.

Hurry up and wait ... it appears to motto of the FS :) Currently waiting on my travel oreders with one month to go

Slingshot

Skandiaavity
Apr 20, 2005
Wow, nearly 1 1/2 years for an IMS spot.. Hurry up and wait indeed!

AKA Pseudonym
May 16, 2004

A dashing and sophisticated young man
Doctor Rope
Just a tip about the forums, but signing your posts is usually frowned upon and sometimes it can get you a probation from the mods.

Slingshot Smith
Jul 1, 2010

AKA Pseudonym posted:

Just a tip about the forums, but signing your posts is usually frowned upon and sometimes it can get you a probation from the mods.

Thanks for the heads up

pantslesswithwolves
Oct 28, 2008

Ba-dam ba-DUMMMMMM

The amount of harmful and/or/yet amazing things that could be done by an entire embassy staff run by goon FSOs.

Don't tell me you haven't let your brains run wild with the possibilities.

Leif.
Mar 27, 2005

Son of the Defender
Formerly Diplomaticus/SWATJester
http://careers.state.gov/officer/fellows-program.html


This gets you in to the OA if you meet the qualifications.


quote:

We are now accepting applications for the 2010 Diplomacy Fellows Program for the competitive selection of entry level Foreign Service Officer Candidates. Please click here or on the Gateway to State icon at the top of the page to read the vacancy and to start the online application process.

Please note that the vacancy will close at midnight on July 31. All applications and accompanying required documents must be submitted by the deadline. Applications and other documents received after this time will not be accepted.

The Diplomacy Fellows Program is a program designed to advance eligible candidates, who meet the requirements below, to the Foreign Service Oral Assessment.

General Qualifications for the DFP Program:

You must be a U.S. citizen

You must be at least 20 and not more than 59 at the time of application

You must be available for worldwide assignment

You may not have been separated from the Foreign Service under certain sections of the Foreign Service Act

You must have participated in one of the 9 eligible Fellowship programs listed below in the section titled Eligible Candidates and you must have successfully completed all program requirements and received your master’s degree within 5 years of the vacancy announcement closing date

For example: January 1, 2005 – July 31, 2010 are the dates used to determine eligibility for this year’s program.
Eligible Candidates

American Association for the Advancement of Science (AAAS) Diplomacy Fellows

Boren Fellowship Fellows (National Security Education Program) (Note: This is the only Boren/NSEP program currently eligible for the DFP)

Fascell Fellows

Institute for International Public Policy Fellows (IIPP)

Pickering Fellows (Pickering undergraduate fellows are not eligible until they have completed all program requirements at the graduate level.)

Presidential Management Fellows, who have fulfilled their program obligations prior to registration through service at the Department of State or the Agency for International Development.

Truman Scholars

Jack Kent Cooke Graduate Scholars

Rangel Fellows

Pompous Rhombus
Mar 11, 2007

SWATJester posted:

http://careers.state.gov/officer/fellows-program.html


This gets you in to the OA if you meet the qualifications.

<--- Boren Scholar :negative:

Business of Ferrets
Mar 2, 2008

Good to see that everything is back to normal.

TCD posted:

We uh, got a video of fireworks.

The goal in Baghdad is no fireworks.

Lien
Oct 17, 2006
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I know this is a bit of an off-chance, but maybe you guys would have some insight. I'm looking at applying to the Canadian foreign service in the next couple of years, and was hoping that maybe there are some goons who are in who might be able to give me some idea of what the application process is. I think a while back there was someone who was applying? Can't remember who though.

Or if any of y'all American FSOs have any experience with the Canadian system-- ie, is it fairly similar to the American one? Do you know of any quirks? If you're posted overseas, do you often hang out with the staff of other embassies, or are you fairly insular?

I'm also interested in what might be considered security risks. I'm asking this because I'm pretty decent friends with the sons/daughters of people who are high up in the government of a country in Africa-- a definitely rather corrupt one. Would that be a security risk, or something that they'd not be worried about?

Skandiaavity
Apr 20, 2005

SWATJester posted:

http://careers.state.gov/officer/fellows-program.html


This gets you in to the OA if you meet the qualifications.

dang, I was in AAAS but not their diplomacy fellows programme. (BTW, that is a wonderful organization..)

Maybe I should apply..

Leif.
Mar 27, 2005

Son of the Defender
Formerly Diplomaticus/SWATJester
I had a friend in law school who interned at AAAS, I think she might have been a fellow but not a diplomacy fellow. Her job was to play Second Life all day and then write reports on it.



:colbert:

Pompous Rhombus
Mar 11, 2007

SWATJester posted:

I had a friend in law school who interned at AAAS, I think she might have been a fellow but not a diplomacy fellow. Her job was to play Second Life all day and then write reports on it.



:colbert:

I would love to know what she would have written about this.

(probably NWS)

Leif.
Mar 27, 2005

Son of the Defender
Formerly Diplomaticus/SWATJester
Ahahah that's awesome. She'd love it.

Reminds me of a footnote from a law review article I wrote. Yes, I know it's not bluebooked properly.


49. Second Life users are relatively free to develop their own animations and activities in game, similar to those in LamdaMOO; it should not be surprising then that rape alleys where users can pay to rape others exist in the virtual world. See “Second Life: Rape for Sale” http://gawker.com/222099/second-life-rape-for-sale (last visited May 12, 2010).

-e- That article also cites several youtube videos of flying penises and analyzes the tort law ramifications of raping someone in a virtual world.

Vilerat
May 11, 2002
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/38056787/ns/world_news-americas/

Basically the consulate employee got killed because she issued visa's to a gang these guys didn't like.

How she did this as an ACS employee is beyond me...

Slingshot Smith
Jul 1, 2010

Vilerat posted:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/38056787/ns/world_news-americas/

Basically the consulate employee got killed because she issued visa's to a gang these guys didn't like.

How she did this as an ACS employee is beyond me...

Interesting ...

If true very sad, I always suspected that there was more to the story then just a random killing ... especially when the USG didnt seem overly excited about making a hero or a victim out of her.

Not good to have any kind of contact with Mexican drug cartels ... very violent ATM.

Vilerat
May 11, 2002

Slingshot Smith posted:

Interesting ...

If true very sad, I always suspected that there was more to the story then just a random killing ... especially when the USG didnt seem overly excited about making a hero or a victim out of her.

Not good to have any kind of contact with Mexican drug cartels ... very violent ATM.

I got my questions about it. ACS stands for American Citizen services, the people who replace lost passports and assist with American needs abroad.

They don't issue visa's not to mention this person was a local employee not Foreign Service, meaning they couldn't have issued a visa anyways.

The whole article is bs.

AKA Pseudonym
May 16, 2004

A dashing and sophisticated young man
Doctor Rope

Vilerat posted:

I got my questions about it. ACS stands for American Citizen services, the people who replace lost passports and assist with American needs abroad.

They don't issue visa's not to mention this person was a local employee not Foreign Service, meaning they couldn't have issued a visa anyways.

The whole article is bs.

We had an FSN giving out forged visas who wasn't in the Consular section at all. Maybe she got a hold of some foils or something.

Vilerat
May 11, 2002

AKA Pseudonym posted:

We had an FSN giving out forged visas who wasn't in the Consular section at all. Maybe she got a hold of some foils or something.

I'm kinda assuming this person wasn't just selling stolen visa's you know :)

Skandiaavity
Apr 20, 2005

SWATJester posted:

I had a friend in law school who interned at AAAS, I think she might have been a fellow but not a diplomacy fellow. Her job was to play Second Life all day and then write reports on it.

That is about right. I was paid to write a few documents, shake hands with a few politicians and browse the web for three months.

Good times...

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walrusonthehill
Mar 18, 2008

yes durians
I'm interested in hearing more about the phone proficiency test if anyone has experience with it. I'll be taking the Chinese one. From what I can tell, the skill level required isn't really that high. I'll be familiarizing myself with vocab related to a few current events involving China, but what else do they ask you about, if anything? If I understood the e-mail correctly, a passing score will help me out on the QEP, which definitely sounds nice.

It's good to see so many Foreign Service goons!

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