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I beat Deus Ex the other day and went straight into Invisible War. They should have really lead on the PC instead of the console, maybe the areas would be bigger and the frequent loading times wouldn't be a problem. But I think it's a decent game, to be honest, but the biggest gripe I have with the game is the utterly stupid universal ammo system they had. The lack of a skill system like the first game was a bit of a buzz kill, but universal ammo takes the cake. My handgun should not share ammo with a flame thrower.
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Jul 1, 2010 22:50
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Lets gently caress Bro posted:The first level is the worst because you have no skills or augs or weapons and all you can do is shoot people really poorly with a pistol. Play through Hell's Kitchen, which is I think like another hour of gameplay, and if you still don't like it then you are not a Deus Ex man I guess. This is my first proper playthrough and i didn't enjoy Hells Kitchen any more than Liberty Island. I don't think they are terrible missions like some people though. Once i got to Lebedev and had to make a proper choice, that's when i understood that the game is pretty awesome. So far i'm in Hong Kong and kickin' rear end.
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Jul 1, 2010 23:00
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Lets gently caress Bro posted:The first level is the worst because you have no skills or augs or weapons and all you can do is shoot people really poorly with a pistol. Play through Hell's Kitchen, which is I think like another hour of gameplay, and if you still don't like it then you are not a Deus Ex man I guess. It's what almost always makes me avoid starting up Deus Ex again. "Oh joy, THAT level again..."
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Jul 1, 2010 23:07
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Shalinor posted:I don't suppose there's some easy way to skip the first level without missing anything? Maybe a fan-made thingy that lets me just set all the choices I would have made? It's not THAT bad. I think it's actually a pretty cool level to start off with because from the very first moments you have a thousand and one ways to progress through the game, whether it be sneaking shooting stealing talking or whatever. When I first started playing there were still some "whoa, that was badass" moments very early on, which made me just want to play more and more.
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Jul 2, 2010 00:05
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SuitDude posted:The linear progression style is gone in favor of a sandboxy type city with different areas that you access via the subway. This would be cool, except that traversing any of the main areas without the speed aug is REALLY boring. I keep feeling like if I just play a little longer then it'll start to get good, but that hasn't happened yet. But then I actually found something to bite in, hard. It was when I went to check out WorldCorp and accidently ended up inside the lower complexes and research & security stations via the sewers (and after finding some secrets down there). All of the sudden, it wasn't about unregistered pubbies spewing crap, it was about infiltration and taking down enemies, breaking into places, hacking into computers and piecing together intel... all of a sudden I was playing More of Deus Ex. So, yeah, there's a good game in there. But unfortunately it's been covered up under a fat, fat layer of "unfunny internet forums bullshit" and don't go and tell me it's not that bad, because it is. This just makes me even more sad because it just gets so good later on.
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Jul 2, 2010 00:15
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Tecman posted:I really loving hated the premise, but I thought to myself that I should play more until I hit the "meat" of the mod since it took them this long to make it. Well, there was a bunch of internet forum persona chatting and a bunch of crappy inside jokes, catchphrases and overall silliness. I was running around, trying to figure out what the gently caress was going on while being bombarded by silly voice acting, collecting cash, checking the sewers and poo poo, and I decided to give up because the mod just didn't seem to have something I could bite in. Pretty much this. If you can get past the premise (which fades into the background once they've set everything up) then it's pretty cool and basically "More Deus Ex".
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Jul 2, 2010 02:07
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Think I'll try and slog through the Nameless mod my next playthrough. I'm just going to do my best to pretend that it's some Neuromancer meta-reality until the lolz disappear. Anyway, I've never played DX:IW and have no intention to, but have there been any attempts to correct its flaws via mods and such? I guess what I'm asking is if anyone has managed to hew out the good parts, sand away the good ones, and make it a little more like Deus Ex.
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Jul 2, 2010 03:48
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Was DX:IW really that bad or is it just a mediocre sequel to a truly excellent game? I've never played it simply because I've never even heard anything about it.
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Jul 2, 2010 04:29
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In Training posted:Was DX:IW really that bad or is it just a mediocre sequel to a truly excellent game? I've never played it simply because I've never even heard anything about it. Mediocre sequel that probably could never have lived up to the hope anyway. How do you follow up a solid contender for greatest game ever made? There were some stupid gameplay decisions made, the game was very limited by the console memory restrictions, and there was internal drama that resulted in the game being shipped in a terribly unoptimized state. Other than that it's decent and worth playing through if you can get it for cheap.
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Jul 2, 2010 04:38
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Shalinor posted:I don't suppose there's some easy way to skip the first level without missing anything? Maybe a fan-made thingy that lets me just set all the choices I would have made? "ghost" to fly up to the NSF leader, through walls etc. "walk" to become solid/gravity-bound again (I don't think you need this to talk to the guy, you can skip this step possibly until you're at UNACTO HQ) To get the items you would've found, use "summon x". Replace X with: WeaponMiniCrossbow WeaponRifle WeaponSawedOffShotgun Weaponmodlaser (Get the GEP gun from paul at the start dock) Lockpick MedKit Multitool I dunno exactly and in what quantities you get poo poo from the intro, just summon what you feel is right I guess.
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Jul 2, 2010 04:49
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I love Liberty Island. Every time I play I try to do something different. Like on my last complete playthrough I went through the front door for the first time ever. I think it's actually easier than going in the back way as long as you can take out the bot. And not too long ago I started up the game and killed every single NSF member on the island with just the crowbar. That was a little refreshing.
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Jul 2, 2010 04:59
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Shalinor posted:I don't suppose there's some easy way to skip the first level without missing anything? Maybe a fan-made thingy that lets me just set all the choices I would have made? Watch this speed run: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DlNko3V2aHM Just Grab the Smoke Grenade from the box to the left as soon as you enter the island of the dock. Then Throw it at the Unatco front door and someone will open it.
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Jul 2, 2010 05:24
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In Training posted:Was DX:IW really that bad or is it just a mediocre sequel to a truly excellent game? I've never played it simply because I've never even heard anything about it. Completely separating it from the original DX, and just looking at it as a standalone game, and judging it by it's own merits, DX:IW is a bad game.
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Jul 2, 2010 05:27
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My favorite way to quickly get through liberty island is to take a right when you first enter the area and go around to the back, to the bunker with the laser sight. Then I hop up the boxes, enter the highest door, and sneak up to the commander's room (as long as you're moving slowly, the two guys in the gas grenade area and the two guys in the room above that won't hear you). Dealing with guards is easy, you don't need skill points in anything; just hit them with the taser (you don't even need to be sneaky, tasing their face works) and then run around behind them and hit them in the head with a crowbar or knife, they die in one hit (this might only work on easy and realistic, and obviously on realistic you need to be very careful not to get shot). Once you get the laser sight you can stick it on your pistol and use that if you want. Or if you want to hold out for the stealth pistol, just keep tasing and stabbing.
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Jul 2, 2010 05:36
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I've been playing through DX:IW tonight, just because I'd never beaten it. I completely disagree with you guys. The game itself is simply loving terrible. Wonky controls, lovely inventory system, bizarrely set-up and very limited biomod system, essentially useless weapon mods, tiny TINY areas between loads, the list just goes on. If you really want to know the difference, look at the nightclub level in DX, and then look at the nightclub level in DX:IW. IN DX:IW there is one dude on the dance floor. They built a whole nightclub level, and in the whole thing there are four patrons. No, that is not story related. Its just lazy poo poo. I just noticed tonight that all the bathrooms have the same sinks as the kitchens. To the point where they extended the sink area in the bathrooms just to make room for this massively oversized sink. Before you think I'm just spergin' it was noticing that that made me see just how many textures and basic room shapes are repeated over and over and over. If Halo 1 is lazy because its a copy/paste hallway, it's child was this poo poo. That having been said, the writing and storyline are pretty okay. Its just that the game itself is pretty drat bad.
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Jul 2, 2010 05:54
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I could stomach everything about DX:IW except the universal ammo. I just felt like that completely broke the game. I just couldn't bring myself to use my weapons for fear I would run out of EVERYTHING unintentionally loving myself over. I beat IW once. With cheats/god mode. I regret nothing. 
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Jul 2, 2010 06:26
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Happy Bear Suit posted:The general consensus is: there are much better games to play and much better things you can do with your free time than to spend it on DX:IW. plus all the characters look like scary martin https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bjImwACuh7w
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Jul 2, 2010 07:15
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XausF1 posted:I could stomach everything about DX:IW except the universal ammo. I just felt like that completely broke the game. I just couldn't bring myself to use my weapons for fear I would run out of EVERYTHING unintentionally loving myself over. My solution to that is a tonfa and a street samurai build (extra melee damage, speed aug, hacking for if I need it, regeneration and electrostatic discharge). Run in, use baton on the back of everyone's head, explore level.
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Jul 2, 2010 10:23
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Tecman posted:So, yeah, there's a good game in there. But unfortunately it's been covered up under a fat, fat layer of "unfunny internet forums bullshit" and don't go and tell me it's not that bad, because it is. This just makes me even more sad because it just gets so good later on. Well that's just it, isn't it. For the amount of time and effort they spent on it, they could have done something genuinely brilliant, taking the Deus Ex storyline off into a completely different direction. Instead they buggered about with in-jokes and other rubbish. Awful shame.
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Jul 2, 2010 11:28
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BennyHillsraeli posted:Well that's just it, isn't it. For the amount of time and effort they spent on it, they could have done something genuinely brilliant, taking the Deus Ex storyline off into a completely different direction. Instead they buggered about with in-jokes and other rubbish. Awful shame. There's a postmortem floating around that discusses this: http://www.gamecareerguide.com/features/749/postmortem_the_nameless_.php What Went Wrong posted:5. Our project is a PR nightmare
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Jul 2, 2010 11:45
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Deus-Ex has pretty much every conspiracy known to man worked in to the storyline but still no mention of "The Jews" being behind everything which is a common factor in many conspiracy theories. I would personally find it funny if Deus-Ex 3 had a mission where you infiltrated the secret base of the people who were behind the conspiracy and it turned out to be "The Jews", not just a group whose members are Jewish but every single Jewish person. You would hack their mainframe and a giant star of David as well as information about various conspiracies would appear on the screen and Jensen would be all "My god, it was The Jews all along". That would probably cause a bit of a shitstorm in the media though due to being horribly anti-semitic.
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Jul 2, 2010 11:49
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FreudianSlippers posted:Deus-Ex has pretty much every conspiracy known to man worked in to the storyline but still no mention of "The Jews" being behind everything which is a common factor in many conspiracy theories. That would make my jaw drop so fast my mandibles would unhinge. Holy cow. Especially if it's not even suggested at any point before that. Even in DX there's that water treatment facility in Hell's Kitchen that explicitly says MJ12 is monitoring the NSF warehouse in the area. I can't imagine how hot the controversy would be (good game or not) on Hannity, Nancy Grace and Olbermann. You are right that it's a little weird to not mention Jewish banking conspiracies despite JC visiting the Templar cathedral with the gold reserves; Everett mentioning Philip the Fair, the Rothschilds, the Crusades and the Nazis; as well as datacubes about the founding of the Knights Templar and therefore their power in France and Spain, the exodus of Muslims and Jews from Spain and the downfall of Spain due to the loss of the merchants and bankers.
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Jul 2, 2010 14:02
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FreudianSlippers posted:Deus-Ex has pretty much every conspiracy known to man worked in to the storyline but still no mention of "The Jews" being behind everything which is a common factor in many conspiracy theories. That would be amusing, if nothing else.
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Jul 2, 2010 14:44
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I've never understood conspiracy theories attempting to incorporate the entire Judaic population when it's primarily the Rothschilds you'd actually be talking about. And it's been said early on in their history that they don't care who controls the laws as long as they control the money. Which makes sense. I could only be entirely literal in saying they really are above any law if they choose to be. So, no. Not surprised at a lack of a "The Jews" megaconspiracy. I usually take that to be xenophobia and a misguided suspicion attributable to a mainstream lack of familiarity with the religion/culture because they don't proselytize.
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Jul 2, 2010 14:57
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Astroturf Man posted:There's a postmortem floating around that discusses this: I love how their defense boils down to "Well, obviously they're just threatened by the idea of a game with a unique premise, how about you just go scamper off and play something with a gruff bald space marine instead  " without actually listening to any criticism.
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Jul 2, 2010 14:59
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OregonDonor posted:That would be amusing, if nothing else.
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Jul 2, 2010 14:59
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...of SCIENCE! posted:I love how their defense boils down to "Well, obviously they're just threatened by the idea of a game with a unique premise, how about you just go scamper off and play something with a gruff bald space marine instead Did you read a different article? That's in the "where we hosed up" section of the postmortem, and they actually say: "I'd like to think people are generally open to new concepts, but I'll admit that our premise and our setting do us no favors. Not, however, because TNM is too weird -- there have been many successful games far stranger than The Nameless Mod and our world is quite recognizable when it comes down to it. But at the same time it reminds people of a genre of fiction that is almost never executed well." The gruff space marine thing was a quote from a games journalist.
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Jul 2, 2010 15:24
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I've started playing DX2 (terrible decision I know) and every time it changes area, minimises to desktop and changes desktop resolution, then changes back to DX2 resolution and starts loading again. Is there any way to stop this (this minimising bullshit makes the loading screens about twice as long easily) Also, yes, jumping on the 'xbox ruins everything dx2 is terrible' bandwagon And why does everyone adopt the 'penguin' pose when standing still? It's really starting to get to me
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Jul 2, 2010 15:30
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^^^ the jump to desktop thing happens to everyone, the game is just flawed.FreudianSlippers posted:Deus-Ex has pretty much every conspiracy known to man worked in to the storyline but still no mention of "The Jews" being behind everything which is a common factor in many conspiracy theories. The only way this would be funny is if it turned out that the so-called "jewish conspiracy" was a front propagated by someone else to keep the ignorant masses looking in the wrong direction. Other than that it would just be stupid and mean-spirited.
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Jul 2, 2010 15:48
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Hogburto posted:I've never understood conspiracy theories attempting to incorporate the entire Judaic population when it's primarily the Rothschilds you'd actually be talking about. People who believe in conspiracy theories aren't generally very smart.
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Jul 2, 2010 16:43
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All this discussion of DX2 made me start playing it again. Couldn't get through Seattle without giving up.
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Jul 2, 2010 17:43
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So what is the coup attempt against President Mead that Atanwe talks about in Paris?FreudianSlippers posted:Deus-Ex has pretty much every conspiracy known to man worked in to the storyline but still no mention of "The Jews" being behind everything which is a common factor in many conspiracy theories. Grey Fox V2 fucked around with this message at 22:34 on Jul 2, 2010 |
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Jul 2, 2010 22:30
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I like how I just got scolded for sexual harassment and trying to trap a woman in the womans bathroom with trashcans.
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Jul 2, 2010 22:37
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I said come in! posted:I like how I just got scolded for sexual harassment and trying to trap a woman in the womans bathroom with trashcans.
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Jul 2, 2010 22:40
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Grey Fox V2 posted:10 years later and I still remember that part. It was hilarious when the door to the womens bathroom closed on one of the trashcans and it shattered into pieces. That is some door.
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Jul 2, 2010 22:41
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I said come in! posted:It was hilarious when the door to the womens bathroom closed on one of the trashcans and it shattered into pieces. That is some door. I remember one time I was in the lucky money in hong kong, and I bought a (child?) prostitute who followed me around, even down into the secret gangster board room downstairs behind the bar. I left the secret room through the stairs without breaking the windows, but she didn't follow me up. Then I was walking around the dance floor and she came bursting through the two-way mirrors to catch up with me.
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Jul 2, 2010 22:53
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Grey Fox V2 posted:So what is the coup attempt against President Mead that Atanwe talks about in Paris? The JC in JC Denton stands for "Jesus Christ", and the Jews killed Jesus, so therefore MJ12 must logically be controlled by the Jews.
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Jul 2, 2010 22:55
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Ainsley McTree posted:I remember one time I was in the lucky money in hong kong, and I bought a (child?) prostitute who followed me around
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Jul 2, 2010 22:58
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Hogburto posted:What. What? There's a mamasan in the lucky money who rents out escorts. The one who follows you around is one of those pink-haired schoolgirl models. They don't actually do anything except follow you around and occasionally say "I am not allowed" they also break glass with their face
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"You will soon have your God, and you will make it with your own hands." Whoa.
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