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HooKars posted:Okay everyone. Let's try REALLY hard to help me get this job. I know we went over good questions to ask during interviews awhile back but does anyone have any other good ones - specifically for someone not entering the summer program.
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I have an intern who seems to be uncommonly bad at every task I've given him. This isn't my first intern and I know not to expect much out of law students in terms of actually knowing anything. However, this one fucks up even the simplest research assignments and it takes me lots of time and multiple corrections to get him to make even routine motions ready. Technically, this shouldn't even be my problem as he is not MY personal intern, but after turning in a few botched assignments every other attorney in the office avoids him like the plague. I feel sorry for the guy, but babysitting isn't in my job description and I'm starting to give him fewer and fewer assignments because I'm tired of spending unnecessary hours cleaning up after his mistakes. Advice?
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GamingHyena posted:I have an intern who seems to be uncommonly bad at every task I've given him. This isn't my first intern and I know not to expect much out of law students in terms of actually knowing anything. However, this one fucks up even the simplest research assignments and it takes me lots of time and multiple corrections to get him to make even routine motions ready. What specifically is his failing? Is it something he could fix?
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GamingHyena posted:I have an intern who seems to be uncommonly bad at every task I've given him. This isn't my first intern and I know not to expect much out of law students in terms of actually knowing anything. However, this one fucks up even the simplest research assignments and it takes me lots of time and multiple corrections to get him to make even routine motions ready. Send him to court to watch proceedings, or "second chair" some routine poo poo. Petey posted:Just got back from 10 days in Alaska. The Bethel, Alaska DA's office is practically begging people to apply. Pretty good cost of living bonus, and good fishing. The residents of bustling Bethel hate DAs though. And the PD is everyone's best friend. It's like a bizarro world. BigHead fucked around with this message at 22:53 on Jul 3, 2010 |
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Jul 3, 2010 22:50
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BigHead posted:
Better than Barrow. Probably. Of course when the russians invade, you'll be the first against the wall And if the citizens give you poo poo for being an ADA you could say "I didn't come to Bethel Alaska to make friends!" and be honest, how else would you get the opportunity to say that Ainsley McTree fucked around with this message at 23:30 on Jul 3, 2010 |
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Jul 3, 2010 23:17
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Doesn't Alaska literally pay you to live there?
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On another forum I go to, I heard about how this thread is the most depressing thing ever, so I decided to pop in and take a look. I'm going to graduate school for public administration instead of law, and taking a class on law as an undergrad taught me two things. 1. I'm able to do law. 2. I don't want to do law because a lot of stuff is counter to common sense, and I don't want to change my way of thinking for work. Also, I decided to go to grad school for an MPA before I started taking that class. I feel sorry for most of my friends who are going to law school. I have friends who graduated with me who are going to Drexel, Seton Hall, Hofstra, and Rutgers-Newark, and one of my friends one year ahead of me is at Vermont. Since they're not top law schools, I have a feeling that they're going to be out on the street and in debt, unless their parents are paying for them. One friend has it made, though. He graduated as a finance major and decided not to go into the industry because it was the start of the financial crisis. He took a year off and took the LSATs, getting 90th percentile. He's now got a full ride to Cardozo. Keep on fighting the good fight, folks, you're braver than I.
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GregNorc posted:Doesn't Alaska literally pay you to live there? Yeah. And no taxes. And the cost of living bonus in Bethel is absurd. Of course, so is the cost of living. Also, Bethel is literally a shithole.
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BigHead posted:Yeah. And no taxes. And the cost of living bonus in Bethel is absurd. Of course, so is the cost of living. Also, Bethel is literally a shithole. How so? A um, friend wants to know
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Ainsley McTree posted:How so? A um, friend wants to know Probably 90% of the towns people are soul-crushing alcoholics. I think it's a damp town (booze only in homes, no bars) but it might be wet. Did you ever do a case race in college? Where you and some frat friends sit down a see how quickly you can drink 24 beers? They do that, except it's two guys and twelve quarts of vodka, and it's every day. And it's super isolated. It's way off the road system, which means you have to fly to Anchorage. I think it's a large enough town to have basic modern amenities, but I don't really know for sure. Edit: It's also one of the ADA offices where people show up and immediately get in line for the good offices. A lot of ADAs pay their dues in lovely places before moving to better areas. And the pay is insane, as I mentioned, because of the cost of living bonus. I don't know the exact figure, but a similar rural PD job paid like $125k starting. It's also beautiful if you like fishing. The ADA office also just advertised for Kodiak, which I don't know anything about. BigHead fucked around with this message at 01:23 on Jul 4, 2010 |
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Question for any current/former Northwestern students - I'm looking at housing right now, and I have found some apartments in Grammarcy and Onterie. Any reviews on what living there's like? Price is important to me but Onterie has potentially enough freebies for being at Northwestern that it might equalize it.
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Got an interview with a federal judge for a fall externship! Getting the position would have to help the clerkship chances at least a little, right?
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J Miracle posted:Got an interview with a federal judge for a fall externship! Getting the position would have to help the clerkship chances at least a little, right? Unless you screw up so terribly you get blacklisted. Maybe.
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J Miracle posted:Got an interview with a federal judge for a fall externship! Getting the position would have to help the clerkship chances at least a little, right? Yeah, but only for networking. What with the whole OSCAR thing federal judges are still going to be looking at big lists of GPAs and universities and law review statuses, so it'll only help you out to the extent that you can get some influential people to say "hey, highlight this guy's name on the spreadsheet" And it does help! I know a guy from Northeastern (a T2 school with no grades and no law review) who got a federal clerkship on account of rear end-kissing, so just hold your nose and dive right in tongue first
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First two clients for our new firm! Pretty excited!  And we've now got agreements with other organisations to refer clients to us!
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Readman posted:First two clients for our new firm! Pretty excited! Formal agreements to refer clients? In my jurisdiction, that is a big no-no in the ethics department.
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Y-Hat posted:2. I don't want to do law because a lot of stuff is counter to common sense, and I don't want to change my way of thinking for work. Hahahaha grow up. "Common sense" is what lazy people hide behind when they can't explain something. And you'll probably change your way of thinking as you get older and a little more mature. quote:One friend has it made, though. He graduated as a finance major and decided not to go into the industry because it was the start of the financial crisis. He took a year off and took the LSATs, getting 90th percentile. He's now got a full ride to Cardozo. A full ride at Cardozo is not having it made.
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Nor is 90th percentile on the LSAT that good. how loving ridiculous is that
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entris posted:Formal agreements to refer clients? In my jurisdiction, that is a big no-no in the ethics department. It's not with other law firms, don't worry. Edit: or formal, for that matter. Readman fucked around with this message at 15:13 on Jul 4, 2010 |
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Readman posted:It's not with other law firms, don't worry. I'm not calling you out by any means, because states have different rules about this thing. In my state, you can actually split fees with an attorney on a referred case by having them stay on as co-counsel, even if they don't do anything, but you can't have any sort of formal referral arrangement with anyone, attorneys or non-attorneys. "Formal" being the key word of course, you are still allowed to reach out to other organizations and make it known that you are more than happy to provide legal services for their customers / employees / whatever. What kind of law does your new firm do?
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Haha, no problem. You actually made me go and double-check our state's ethical rules. They only make mention of referrals in a couple of instances. Firstly, in conveyancing, where you are getting a tonne of client referrals from a particular real estate agent and, secondly, where you are accepting but not disclosing a fee or benefit for the referral). Neither of those applies, though. Area of practice: Civil litigation - primarily personal injury and employment litigation. I would prefer to do solely employment, but personal injury pays the bills.
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Y-Hat posted:2. I don't want to do law because a lot of stuff is counter to common sense, and I don't want to change my way of thinking for work. GamingHyena posted:I feel sorry for the guy, but babysitting isn't in my job description and I'm starting to give him fewer and fewer assignments because I'm tired of spending unnecessary hours cleaning up after his mistakes. You should in no way feel compelled to continue to give assignments to someone you know who will fail miserably. Maybe if you wanted to babysit and explain how he's screwing things up and help him along then continuing to hand him projects would make sense. However, as you have already stated, that isn't your responsibility and you shouldn't feel compelled to extend yourself to establish that sort of mentor relationship. 
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Y-Hat posted:On another forum I go to, I heard about how this thread is the most depressing thing ever, so I decided to pop in and take a look. I'm going to graduate school for public administration instead of law, and taking a class on law as an undergrad taught me two things. This is all wrong. You might be able to do the law but you can't do it 'well.' Getting an MPA and making GBS threads on a JD is like someone with a degree in finger-painting making fun of someone with an economics degree. As hosed as we are, you are much more schadenfreude worthy. Law is not common sense. In fact, a lot of the more interesting defenses are based off of using counter-intuitive but well established principles of common law to gently caress people over. Also, Cardozo is not worth admittance at any price. 3 years job experience selling your body on the street is more economically and intellectually valuable than a Cardozo JD.
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BigHead posted:Of course, so is the cost of living. In Skagway one of our guides paid $640 a month for an 8x5 foot camper (with no bathroom or shower; YMCA for those) resting on 10 square feet of land literally right next to where the passing scenic trains dumped their latrine waste. Also in Alaska you will still die alone - the male/female ratio is around 10:1 and this is a thriving personals publication sold in all the drugstores:  e: plus, if you live in the more temperate (think chillier England) part of Alaska in the southeast, it rains literally an average of 320 days a year. Between that, and $6 gallons of milk, I can understand why even being paid to live there is not enough for most, despite views like this:  hence a population density of 1.03 per square mile (Vermont is 80 per square mile by comparison, and New Hampshire 146). Petey fucked around with this message at 16:34 on Jul 4, 2010 |
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Petey lies. Alaska owns. Although Skagway is one of those towns that wouldn't exist if the tour boats / Juneau ferry didn't stop there.
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Skagway is literally the worst town name I've ever heard
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So yesterday I was driving along and saw a gigantic personal injury lawyer billboard. I looked closer and realized that it was someone I was a summer associate with back in the day.
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Draile posted:Petey lies. Alaska owns. Alaska absolutely owns, but after visiting it I can understand why prolonged exposure would drive people to Russian levels of drinking. I also understand the genesis of Russian levels of drinking.
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Mookie posted:So yesterday I was driving along and saw a gigantic personal injury lawyer billboard. If he has a giant billboard, there's a good chance he's making more money than the rest of your SA class combined.
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Adar posted:If he has a giant billboard, there's a good chance he's making more money than the rest of your SA class combined. I am aware of that. It was just the first time that I directly knew a billboard lawyer. I mean, dude went to Harvard Law, he's not a moron.
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Direwolf posted:Question for any current/former Northwestern students - I'm looking at housing right now, and I have found some apartments in Grammarcy and Onterie. Any reviews on what living there's like? Price is important to me but Onterie has potentially enough freebies for being at Northwestern that it might equalize it.
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I bought $60 worth of fireworks for tonight, none of the really good stuff but some fun things, and now I'm debating whether to bring our kitchen's fire extinguisher with me. There is a park nearby, and apparently that's where my neighborhood goes to set off fireworks. So that's where we're going. I would never have thought about bringing a fire extinguisher with me, before law school. And now that I've thought about bringing the extinguisher, part of me is saying "Well, if you're so worried about someone getting hurt, maybe you shouldn't be lighting fireworks and maybe you shouldn't go down to the park where other idiots are lighting fireworks." SHUT UP ATTORNEY BRAIN YOU NEVER LET ME HAVE ANY FUN
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Petey posted:In Skagway one of our guides paid $640 a month for an 8x5 foot camper (with no bathroom or shower; YMCA for those) resting on 10 square feet of land literally right next to where the passing scenic trains dumped their latrine waste. There are some towns in Alaska where housing is super expensive because land is so limited (between valleys, on an island, etc) that they can't physically build enough houses for everyone who wants to live there. In many cities near coast guard bases, they will buy any land at market value, site unseen, as soon as it goes on the market. In other parts of Alaska, there are still homesteading cities where as long as you agree to improve the land the government will give it to you for free.
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Y-Hat posted:On another forum I go to, I heard about how this thread is the most depressing thing ever, so I decided to pop in and take a look. I'm going to graduate school for public administration instead of law, and taking a class on law as an undergrad taught me two things. Out of curiosity, what do you think "doing law" is based on one undergrad class?
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Ainsley McTree posted:Out of curiosity, what do you think "doing law" is based on one undergrad class? He'd be happy just making $100k with the ACLU or a PD, he's not expecting to get some high paying big firm job or something
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charlie kelly does law
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JohnnyTreachery posted:charlie kelly does law Objection!
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I'm taking Bird Law next semester I hear its not based on logic
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Mookie posted:I am aware of that. It was just the first time that I directly knew a billboard lawyer. bush went to harvard and yale your friend may very well be a moron, as suggested by the billboard Y-Hat posted:...taking a class on law as an undergrad taught me two things. This thread attracts some of the best trolls in the business; hope everybody is taking notes Lykourgos fucked around with this message at 23:28 on Jul 4, 2010 |
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I love lawyers who dislike advertising, because it means that I can treat my law firm like a normal business and out-compete them. If a billboard ad brings in X new clients, and X*Y new revenue, and it only costs <X*Y, why wouldn't you do it? Too many law firms act like non-businesses, and it's a stupid, antiquated attitude. Maybe that attitude worked back in Pythagoras' day, but nowadays a business is a business, and it's all about the numbers.
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