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Lykourgos posted:But that would still be a fail, unless there were some questions where you hit a 5 or 6 to compensate. Are you allowed to make up the poor score on the essay portion with a good MPE score? Yes, but because Maryland weights the MBE at 25% and the essays at 75% (or something like that I believe) it's a lot easier to simply get a couple of your essays 1 point higher. The exact formula depends because the precise multiplier for weighting depends on the aggregate MBE score after it is scaled. But yes, a few MBE questions above average can make up for a point down on your essay. However, it rapidly spirals out of control. If you're more than 3 or 4 points down on your essay, you're simply not going to be able to get the 20+ MBE questions beyond everyone else in order to make it up. I guess the lesson is that on the easier essay questions, you should rack up points and try for 6's, while on the harder questions, you just need to make sure you get at least a 4, and try to limit yourself to no more than one or two 3's.
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SWATJester posted:Yes, but because Maryland weights the MBE at 25% and the essays at 75% (or something like that I believe) it's a lot easier to simply get a couple of your essays 1 point higher. This is why I just threw myself into brute-force memorization mode for most of my bar preparation time and a "get as many points as possible on everything," because I couldn't count on working smart or being consciously efficient with my effort. I did a lot of essay practice so that efficient IRACing came naturally, but in the end I spent probably 80-90% of my study time on trying to cram as much law into my brain as possible. It was sad how much more intellectually and academically rewarding for me BarBRI felt than actual law school.
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TyChan posted:It was sad how much more intellectually and academically rewarding for me BarBRI felt than actual law school. Indeed. I put together a bar course presentation on corporate law for my boss and it basically covered all of the important stuff from an entire semester of Business Associations in 20 slides. Looking back on law school, if there wasn't always a chance that the final exam wanted some obscure case history and/or commentary, bar prep stuff would have been superior to any other study aid. edit: letter of reference finally came. An hour after I (snail-)mailed off my first applications. 
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TyChan posted:$40k in New York City will get you a crappy studio in Manhattan and will get better housing out in the boroughs, although it'll be hard to live on your own without living way out in the less desirable boroughs. You better be good with roommates or else life is going to get cramped. I was making $50k and living on my own in Manhattan, but it was definitely wearing on me after 2 years given the spaces available to me and the inflationary pressures on rent. Yeah but that kid from the article was going to work in Worcester, MA, where you can get a nice apartment for $800/month
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_areaman posted:Yeah but that kid from the article was going to work in Worcester, MA, where you can get a nice apartment for $800/month Yeah, the guy they decided to use as the anecdotal heart of the article was problematic. The guy had decent reasons for saying no to the job, but he's not a very sympathetic figure and I'm sure the writer could have found someone else in a more common position (such as having to deal with student debts and not from a rich family). This is basically the big judgment call that most graduates of any school are going to face if the economy doesn't pick back up. Even law. Are you going to be able to stomach what's available or do you go back to school and hope that it all works out and that you don't just graduate with more of the same?
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Man, I'm staying at home for six weeks just because I'm in between leases and to busy bar studying to move, and I don't know why anyone older than 20 would do this voluntarily. Even if money is tight, a 2 bedroom apartment with a roommate is infinitely preferable socially and psychologically. Hell, I'll be making midlaw money in Houston and I was even giving some thought to splitting an apartment with a friend for the first year just so I can sock some savings away.
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diospadre posted:I remember sitting in the Commercial Paper and Secured Transactions lectures and thinking that there would be no way I'd have any loving clue as to what they were talking about if I didn't actually take those classes. But I can't say I regret it. Those courses were a blast. I should have gone to grad school.
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Just found out I'm facebook friends with a future SCOTUS clerk, yeah im kind of a big deal
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Linguica posted:Just found out I'm facebook friends with a future SCOTUS clerk, yeah im kind of a big deal No big deal. e: Of course, I had no idea at the time.
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Don't they teach the concept of opportunity cost at Colgate? A $40k a year claims adjuster job may not make for a fantastic career, but it beats the hell out of earning $0 a year and sponging off his parents. Plus, what the gently caress kind of job does he expect when he graduated two years ago with a generic liberal arts degree and no serious job experience? Does he really expect to land a $75k+ job from occasionally spamming Monster.com when there are thousands of more qualified applicants doing the exact same thing? My guess is that to avoid offending his upper middle class sensibilities by getting a job that's beneath him, he'll double down and shoot for an even more useless advanced degree like a PhD in art appreciation or something. "Grad student" sounds so much more prestigious "terminally unemployed." GamingHyena fucked around with this message at 00:26 on Jul 8, 2010 |
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7StoryFall posted:The IRS is interviewing at my school for both 2Ls and 3Ls. That suggests there are openings. Or will be, next summer, at least. Are you going to apply to them? I think I'm going to apply to every federal employer in DC, NY, and on campus OCI.
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I'm having a really hard time trying to decide between Boalt and Columbia as a transfer. Boalt would be cheaper as I am in-state, and I want to practice in California. On the other hand I feel the greed for lay prestige making me want to go to Columbia instead. Is this a good idea?
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Elotana posted:Man, I'm staying at home for six weeks just because I'm in between leases and to busy bar studying to move, and I don't know why anyone older than 20 would do this voluntarily. Even if money is tight, a 2 bedroom apartment with a roommate is infinitely preferable socially and psychologically. Hell, I'll be making midlaw money in Houston and I was even giving some thought to splitting an apartment with a friend for the first year just so I can sock some savings away. I'm house sitting my parent's place while I wait for my brother to get back to town so we can get a place. Technically not living with my parents. Also, technically my bedroom isn't quite in the basement (but it's close).
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methamphetamine posted:I'm having a really hard time trying to decide between Boalt and Columbia as a transfer. Boalt would be cheaper as I am in-state, and I want to practice in California. On the other hand I feel the greed for lay prestige making me want to go to Columbia instead. Is this a good idea? Columbia is making offers now? God loving drat it, I'm still not complete there yet thanks to the great gently caress up at my school. My advice? Don't go to either, withdraw the offer, and help me out. And btw its  TRANSFER CHAT when we talkin bout this here game
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methamphetamine posted:I'm having a really hard time trying to decide between Boalt and Columbia as a transfer. Boalt would be cheaper as I am in-state, and I want to practice in California. On the other hand I feel the greed for lay prestige making me want to go to Columbia instead. Is this a good idea? edit: Phil Moscowitz posted:Go to Cal you noob
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sigmachiev posted:And btw its Heh. I run the transferapps group. Literally run it, the old owner made me an admin cause he graduated and didn't have time for that poo poo anymore.
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literally have never heard of "boalt", am still  'ing at the ridiculous sounding name. expect this reaction from anybody you try to impress in the future with your stupid sounding school name
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Lykourgos posted:literally have never heard of "boalt", am still
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Seriously, saying "I went to Boalt" is like labeling yourself a pencil neck chode. Go to Cal and when people ask you where you went tell them "Cal" or "UC Berkeley" if they're not from California.
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SWATJester posted:Heh. I run the transferapps group. Literally run it, the old owner made me an admin cause he graduated and didn't have time for that poo poo anymore. Yeah, I remember hitting you up when I noticed TLS's transfer forum was crying about not having a 2010 database entry (please do not beat me for saying I browsed that forum). It's a nice thing you do. We should talk about finding a successor if you're sick of it. As for Cal/Berkeley/Boalt I remember reading an article in some paper about Cal moving away from Boalt to Berkeley Law so even the school itself wanted the re-brand. sigmachiev fucked around with this message at 03:46 on Jul 8, 2010 |
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Tetrix posted:Are you going to apply to them? I think I'm going to apply to every federal employer in DC, NY, and on campus OCI. Yes, but I expect that if I get it that there will be another opening in 3-5 years. I hear you can have guns in DC now.
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So I've decided to get a joint degree in Agricultural and Resource Economics in addition to a JD with a heavy focus on environmental policy, hopefully I can get a job at the EPA in 4 years. I'm still pretty depressed about my future though, don't worry!
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Oakdale posted:So I've decided to get a joint degree in Agricultural and Resource Economics in addition to a JD with a heavy focus on environmental policy, hopefully I can get a job at the EPA in 4 years. I'm still pretty depressed about my future though, don't worry!  Come on. If you're going to troll, at least put more effort into it. Come back when this thread is on #14.
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Boalt is pretty bad as a name, but at least there's no "indiana" anywhere in it.
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SWATJester posted:Check in the Federal Jobs thread in A/T, we have an IRS goon there. I'm in both threads! Ersatz posted:So one of my friends has a strong interest in tax law, lives in DC, and thinks she might enjoy working for the IRS. I remember some chatter earlier in the thread about open entry-level positions requiring an accounting background. She has her JD, a degree in economics, and some accounting coursework. If those positions are still open, do any of the IRS people in the thread know if that might get her in the door? Thanks in advance. When you say strong interest in tax law, what do you mean precisely? Does she want to work as an attorney, or just pursue general tax work? If it's the former, then her choice is to get into counsel. If it's the latter, there are plenty of other choices to look into.
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methamphetamine posted:I'm having a really hard time trying to decide between Boalt and Columbia as a transfer. Boalt would be cheaper as I am in-state, and I want to practice in California. On the other hand I feel the greed for lay prestige making me want to go to Columbia instead. Is this a good idea? Go to Boalt if you want to be a California lawyer. You'll have this thing called an alumni network.
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TheMadMilkman posted:When you say strong interest in tax law, what do you mean precisely? Does she want to work as an attorney, or just pursue general tax work? If it's the former, then her choice is to get into counsel. If it's the latter, there are plenty of other choices to look into. Luckily, she also has a degree in electrical engineering and might have a shot at becoming an examiner with the PTO through their current announcement. But, having dealt with their HR department before, I think the smart thing for her to do would be to apply for any agency job related to her interests that wouldn't permanently handicap her ability to find work as an attorney if and when the economy turns around. From what people were saying at the beginning of this thread it sounded like there were opportunities at the IRS that might fit that description, and given her interest I thought I'd try to find to find out if they were still out there. I'd really appreciate any pointers you might have that could be relayed.
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Lykourgos posted:literally have never heard of "boalt", am still high class posting itt
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sigmachiev posted:Yeah, I remember hitting you up when I noticed TLS's transfer forum was crying about not having a 2010 database entry (please do not beat me for saying I browsed that forum). It's a nice thing you do. We should talk about finding a successor if you're sick of it. I think only the original founder can do that, but if I can get in touch with him I'll ask someone else to take charge. I don't mind running it at the moment though.
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fougera posted:I wish my grades were better. If it makes you feel any better I'm pretty sure none of the firms at OCI are actually hiring anyway.
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I like my boss and I like getting to write motions and everything but the slip n' falls and auto poo poo is starting to wear on me, I spend half the day every day on the phony with insurance adjusters and defense lawyers and the other half doing mindless office work.
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Lykourgos posted:literally have never heard of "boalt", am still It's pretty common within legal circles to identify it as "Boalt" or "Berkeley" or "Cal Berkeley" or whatever. It's just like saying "Kellogg" or "Sloan" when identifying business schools since all these graduate schools are pretty self-contained and separated from the main universities. No one really cares because no matter which name you use. They will know it's a good school. Green Crayons posted:Solution: switch over to defense. Take it from a guy who works in insurance law. Switching to defense isn't going to change anything as far as dealing with bullshit adjusters and general tort-related histrionics. However, J Miracle, if you haven't already planned on this, you should try to get out of auto stuff as soon as possible. It's a bit of a trap and, for pretty snobby and stupid reasons, other litigation practice areas view it as a red flag.
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TyChan posted:
Welp I mean it's a summer job, I tried the big and midlaw firms and got bupkiss, 15 OCI bids, 15 interviews, 8 callbacks, 0 jobs, plus any number of direct-send rejections and phone interviews that went nowhere. I'm lucky enough to have a paid job anywhere and I'm learning a lot about small practice management and Michigan civil procedure. But yeah this is not the kind of work I want to do as a practicing attorney. Lol I just realized I wrote "on the phony"
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TyChan posted:It's pretty common within legal circles to identify it as "Boalt" or "Berkeley" or "Cal Berkeley" or whatever. It's just like saying "Kellogg" or "Sloan" when identifying business schools since all these graduate schools are pretty self-contained and separated from the main universities. no im pretty sure it's common within legal circles to make fun of the name "Boalt" and then move on to a better topic than which specific institution stole your student loans
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TRANSFER CHAT Got Berkeley this morning myself yeeeeeeeeeeee!
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