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Ddraig posted:I'd like to see an alternate version of the Shield where Dutch didn't go into law enforcement and became the kind of holier than thou psychopath he was always itching to be. Have you seen Sons of Anarchy? If not, why not? And that goes for everyone in this thread.
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Rupert Buttermilk posted:I think one of my favourite moments is when Dutch finally cracks his real first case there, and everyone applauds. That's Dragonchasers. There's also some developments with Connie's story in there (as hinted by the episode name.)
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I don't think Season 1 was the weakest. I really don't like Season 4. I mean, yes lots of things of legitimate substance occurred, but it still ultimately felt like it was spinning wheels. I never really liked Glenn Close's character either. I know its cliche to always have a captain that basically is antagonistic to Vic, but I never bought Close's character nor did I like how they basically abruptly closed out her story arc.
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Jul 10, 2010 02:46
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Junkenstein posted:Have you seen Sons of Anarchy? Been there, done that... have the gang tag.
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Is the Season 5 finale the best season finale of any TV show? I, and apparently a lot of you, have had a strong reaction to that episode. I've never had a reaction to a tv show or movie before or since that came anywhere near it. ruddiger posted:This loving drives me nuts. I have Seasons 2-5 on DVD. TWO THROUGH loving FIVE. I want to get my roommate started on the Shield Start at season 2? Or since you seem to have netflix, use it? One way or another do your roommate this favor.
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So the creator of The Shield, Shawn Ryan did a script contest on twitter and is sending 10 people a signed copy of a The Shield, The Unit, or Lie to Me script depending on what you want. I am one of those 10 people. Wooooooo. I'm wondering what script it'll be.
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soggybagel posted:I don't think Season 1 was the weakest. I really don't like Season 4. I mean, yes lots of things of legitimate substance occurred, but it still ultimately felt like it was spinning wheels. I never really liked Glenn Close's character either. I know its cliche to always have a captain that basically is antagonistic to Vic, but I never bought Close's character nor did I like how they basically abruptly closed out her story arc. I agree that season 1 was good, I think there's too much of a tendency to instantly rate serial TV over episodic TV these days, regardless of the quality of each. I thought The Shield was best as an absolutely breakneck episodic show with ongoing plot threads, and not the slog it turned into in seasons 6 and 7. Season 5 did kick rear end, though, though it was kinda the beginning of the end as far as pacing went.
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soggybagel posted:I don't think Season 1 was the weakest. I really don't like Season 4. I mean, yes lots of things of legitimate substance occurred, but it still ultimately felt like it was spinning wheels. I never really liked Glenn Close's character either. I know its cliche to always have a captain that basically is antagonistic to Vic, but I never bought Close's character nor did I like how they basically abruptly closed out her story arc. Season 4 is my favorite, if only because it's the last time we get to see Lem in action before he gets hit with the IAD poo poo.  I originally thought Season 6 was the weakest, but it was needed in order to set the state for the epic closure that was 7. Viewed in one big narrative, it's like that last second breath before the knockout blow. loving superb.
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Just started watching this show, on Episode 3 of Season 2. I gotta say I love it, I love shows that aren't black and white/good vs evil. Although Vic does good things, or has good intentions, I love how he's not a clear cut hero. As someone that loved The Wire, and it's philosophies, I kinda see Vic as a guy that's trying to do good based on what he was taught, and his circumstances. I'm curious though, is the general consensus about Vic good or bad? I mean by just watching his actions he might seem bad (and I heard he gets worse throughout the seasons) but right now I see him as a guy with good intentions that makes mistakes in a job that presents a lot of opportunities for mistakes. I'm glad the show had at least one do-gooder (Dutch) to root for. Edit: does the guy with the mustache (on strike team) ever get a major roll, I seriously only think I've heard him say "Alright, boss!". Even Lem has had some minor points in arcs.
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TUS posted:Oh to be able to watch this series for the first time again Seriously. I remember a scene in the David Fincher movie The Game. Michael Douglas is being hosed with by some company that claims to run some sort of real life adventure game but is really ripping him off. In the end they completely gently caress with him until he loses his mind. He thinks a women he loved betrayed, he lost 600 million dollars, etc. So he tries to kill himself. He jumps off a building and lands on a giant cushion surrounded by all his families and friends who throw a party for him. It turns out it was all a game, and he had the adventure and time of his life. The scene I'm talking about is when Michael Douglas runs into some people who have also expierenced the "game" and one says something like " Oh how I envy you, to be in the middle of your first game."
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The Valuum posted:
He is bad. I mean he straight up murdered a fellow police officer in the first episode. He may have been a "rat" but that does not mean he should have committed premeditated murder. And they guy Ronnie does get a bigger role and a beard.
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The Valuum posted:Just started watching this show, on Episode 3 of Season 2. I gotta say I love it, I love shows that aren't black and white/good vs evil. Although Vic does good things, or has good intentions, I love how he's not a clear cut hero. As someone that loved The Wire, and it's philosophies, I kinda see Vic as a guy that's trying to do good based on what he was taught, and his circumstances. Wait until you watch all the seasons. Vic and Shane are unquestionably despicable examples of human beings. I won't say much about Ronnie or Lem to avoid spoiling anything, but Lem is probably the only one out of all of them with some kind of moral center, as opposed to the consequentialism that the rest of the team seems to make all their decisions by.
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Jul 12, 2010 23:02
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Rupert Buttermilk posted:I think one of my favourite moments is when Dutch finally cracks his real first case there, and everyone applauds. I love that all the other cops are gathered around the television watching the interview to laugh at how inept Dutch is and instead they watch him take the smug killer apart piece by piece and are left in utter awe of him and give him that heartfelt applause.
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Jerusalem posted:I love that all the other cops are gathered around the television watching the interview to laugh at how inept Dutch is and instead they watch him take the smug killer apart piece by piece and are left in utter awe of him and give him that heartfelt applause. The look on Shane's face is priceless.
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Jerusalem posted:I love that all the other cops are gathered around the television watching the interview to laugh at how inept Dutch is and instead they watch him take the smug killer apart piece by piece and are left in utter awe of him and give him that heartfelt applause. drat I wish this one on youtube. I totally forgot it and need to watch it.
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Jul 13, 2010 00:47
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The Valuum posted:I'm curious though, is the general consensus about Vic good or bad? I mean by just watching his actions he might seem bad (and I heard he gets worse throughout the seasons) but right now I see him as a guy with good intentions that makes mistakes in a job that presents a lot of opportunities for mistakes.  Your opinion will probably change season to season and even sometimes episode to episode, but there's no taking back the events of the pilot.
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I finally sat down and watched through all 7 seasons pretty fast, what an amazing series. I did get a huge kick out of s7 spoiler the city Corrine & kids move to is Rockford, the same city as where that serial killer was from. Gonna recommend this to everyone I know.
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mastershakeman posted:I finally sat down and watched through all 7 seasons pretty fast, what an amazing series. I did get a huge kick out of Also the city Shawn Ryan is from 
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Jul 22, 2010 04:33
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User-Friendly posted:Also the city Shawn Ryan is from That explains how he knew where it was, and why the serial killer's response about it being 'its own city' was so perfect. I'm from near there too and everyone thinks it's a suburb 
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Watched all seven seasons of this over the past two months. Once you get past the super cheesy font used in the titles and the show opening screen, this is a pretty phenomenal series with probably one of the most satisfying endings of anything I've ever seen on TV. It's not The Sopranos and it's not The Wire, but it's not trying to be. It is a seven-season serial drama that focuses on a handful of main characters and how they affect those around them. Great stuff.
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Ddraig posted:I'd like to see an alternate version of the Shield where Dutch didn't go into law enforcement and became the kind of holier than thou psychopath he was always itching to be. Burn Notice came pretty close to this for a small arc where he played a bank robber. Not a psychopathic killer but the "I'm smarter than everyone" persona so tied to Dutch.
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The last couple pages got me dusting up my Shield collection. Unfortunately, at some point I lost Season 1. But starting with S2 is just fine for me.
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I'm watching through this show for the first time, just finished season 5. I have to say, that ending was one of the most retarded things I've ever seen in a TV show and it's making me reconsider watching the last 2 seasons, despite the rest of season 5 being so good. It's even worse than how they handled Terry in the first episode. Completely unbelievable.
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Scissorfighter posted:I'm watching through this show for the first time, just finished season 5. Troll unsuccessful!
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redz posted:Troll unsuccessful! How is it a troll not to like an otherwise excellent show to have the most contrived conclusion possible? Both this and the Terry situation required otherwise smart people to make the worst decision they could have.
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Aug 5, 2010 07:31
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Wait did you just say Shane was smart? He always choose the stupidest way out of any of his problems. The Terry thing was not stupid once you realize that Vic will do anything to protect his "spot". He saw him as a threat so he had to go.
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bobkatt013 posted:Wait did you just say Shane was smart? He always choose the stupidest way out of any of his problems. The Terry thing was not stupid once you realize that Vic will do anything to protect his "spot". He saw him as a threat so he had to go. Shane is stupid, sure, but the way it goes down just felt forced to me. No questions were asked, everything was assumed on his part, and he acted almost immediately. Also, it was contrived that they'd tail Ronnie and not Shane if they only had 2 vehicles. They needed Shane alone with Lem and forced the story to get them there, and forced the drama bomb. With Terry, it just didn't fit Vic's character post-pilot, and I know I'm not alone in thinking that. He spends the rest of the series dealing with rats by discrediting or putting pressure on them. Julian was a rat and he became friends with him, even. I also have a fear that season 6 is just going to be one big repeat of the Tavon story. Scissorfighter fucked around with this message at 07:54 on Aug 5, 2010 |
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Shane always acted on impulse. When doing anything he just asked what would Vic do. This is what got him in the world of poo poo with Avon Mitchell. Ya he never did kill a rat after Terry but he sort of learned from the experience. He was is so much trouble from that he did not want to risk it again. Also how can you say he was friends with Julian who he blackmailed. Also they where following Ronnie and Vic because they believed they where the one that Lem would most likely get in contact with.
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bobkatt013 posted:Shane always acted on impulse. When doing anything he just asked what would Vic do. This is what got him in the world of poo poo with Avon Mitchell. Ya he never did kill a rat after Terry but he sort of learned from the experience. He was is so much trouble from that he did not want to risk it again. Also how can you say he was friends with Julian who he blackmailed. Also they where following Ronnie and Vic because they believed they where the one that Lem would most likely get in contact with. I meant later with Julian, the best example being "posse up"
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A grenade in a car is extreme, yes, but... that's why I watch shows like The Shield. It's mostly realistic, but if it wasn't crazy, it wouldn't be interesting. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Rupert Buttermilk posted:A grenade in a car is extreme, yes, but... that's why I watch shows like The Shield. It's mostly realistic, but if it wasn't crazy, it wouldn't be interesting.
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ShipsMadeOfSnow posted:spoiler that Wow, definitely sorry about that. I guess I'm just way too used to the Dexter thread.
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Got my autographed Shield script from Shawn Ryan. Very awesome.
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Wartime Consigliere posted:Got my autographed Shield script from Shawn Ryan. Very awesome. Which episode?
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TUS posted:Which episode? Postpartum Season 5 Finale I thought about getting the Season 2 finale, but I went with 5's. Both episodes changed everything after them a lot.
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The Valuum posted:I'm curious though, is the general consensus about Vic good or bad? I mean by just watching his actions he might seem bad (and I heard he gets worse throughout the seasons) but right now I see him as a guy with good intentions that makes mistakes in a job that presents a lot of opportunities for mistakes. He's for sure a bad guy, however I think often times he has good intentions but doesn't know any other way of going about things. Other times I think he starts with one bad thing and it snow balls and he has to continue doing bad things to cover up the first making him even more evil. That evil is also contrasted by the fact he loves his children, is loyal (for the most part) to his friends and did have a genuine interest in police work at one time. However he tipped the balance early and went 100 miles or more down the 'bad' road before thinking of turning back and couldn't ever turn around. I guess I wouldn't call him truly 'evil' because I think he does feel a genuine sense of remorse for a lot of the things he did and someone who is 'evil' to me doesn't have the capacity to do that. The Valuum posted:I'm glad the show had at least one do-gooder (Dutch) to root for.  Dutch is another 'what the hell' character. I can't think of a time you don't really want to root for him though. It's difficult because he's so likable and you want to root for him but then you also want to root for Vic to. It's so easy to go back and forth on this show. The Valuum posted:Edit: does the guy with the mustache (on strike team) ever get a major roll, I seriously only think I've heard him say "Alright, boss!". Even Lem has had some minor points in arcs. Keep an eye on Ronnie. It's been talked about a bit in this thread but he's one of the scariest members of the strike team. From the beginning he's been the one with absolutely no compunction in regards to breaking the law, killing someone and blindly follows orders to the letter. Shane is also a yes man but he's stupid, impulsive and trying to do things his way. Ronnie is the guy you should be scared of, he's Vics hammer. Rupert Buttermilk posted:Wow, definitely sorry about that. I guess I'm just way too used to the Dexter thread. This is a thread specifically for newbies. For people who have watched this show before, what do you think was the point of no return for Vic? Was there ever a time you just stopped rooting for him period? (outside of the end of the first ep, you could definitely call that a point of no return but after that what point would it be?)
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KilGrey posted:For people who have watched this show before, what do you think was the point of no return for Vic? Was there ever a time you just stopped rooting for him period? (outside of the end of the first ep, you could definitely call that a point of no return but after that what point would it be?) I think the safest answer as a Point of No return is Money Train. Most of the big plot points for the rest of the season start revolving around the Money Train the issues that lie therein. On a smaller scale, I think when Vic is allowed to patrol the streets after the Decoy Squad leaves is a pivotal point too.
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KilGrey posted:For people who have watched this show before, what do you think was the point of no return for Vic? Was there ever a time you just stopped rooting for him period? (outside of the end of the first ep, you could definitely call that a point of no return but after that what point would it be?) For me, final season, when they began talking about dropping the hammer on the ENTIRE Vendrel family, Jackson included. It got to a very hypothetical place and Vic still had wiggle room but the confrontation outside the hospital was the closest I ever came to no lobger rooting for him.
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Scissorfighter posted:
I've actually thought about this, Vic is always willing to go all the way to protect himself, but he usually would try to diffuse the situation before resorting to these sort of measures.
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I like to think that, even though it wasn't explicitly stated, Gilroy had a hand in fueling Vic's decision. Almost all of Vic's intel decisions are made post-Gilroy and Vic had to learn a bit from that scenario and get more creative.
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