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Bolt Action and Warlord Games are doing 28mm plastic WW2 infantry! http://www.warlordgames.co.uk/?p=6427 Oh my!
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Serotonin posted:Bolt Action and Warlord Games are doing 28mm plastic WW2 infantry! Wow. Definitely want to paint some of those up.
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Jul 4, 2010 12:12
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More French Dragoon pics. These are pretty much done, other than tidying up the base edges and touching up here and there.  
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Jul 4, 2010 18:55
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Serotonin posted:Bolt Action and Warlord Games are doing 28mm plastic WW2 infantry!  Oh my indeed! Definitely interested in these. Nice comprehensive weapons options sprue too, everything I can think of on there. It'll be interesting to see if they make a plastic tripod-version of the MG42 too. Probably hoping for too much though.
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Jul 5, 2010 03:14
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Dear God, the GHQ 10mm Napoleonics are beautiful. Amazing detail and excellent proportions in a scale where most models look really pudgy. I feel like I can't really do these models justice with my painting; I consider myself pretty good with 28mm but I'm really new to this scale and doing that kind of detail seems all but impossible. I just console myself with the fact that they look decent ranked up  Edit: One thing I find odd though is that the ostensibly 1812 uniforms are modeled with British-style trousers and shoes rather than the regulation leggings and below-the-knee gaiters. More practical, certainly, but not what sources tell us. Then again, this makes me sound like a 50-year-old grognard so I'll just shut up and enjoy the wonderful miniatures. Guildenstern fucked around with this message at 23:06 on Jul 6, 2010 |
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Jul 6, 2010 22:29
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Guildenstern posted:Dear God, the GHQ 10mm Napoleonics are beautiful. Amazing detail and excellent proportions in a scale where most models look really pudgy. I feel like I can't really do these models justice with my painting; I consider myself pretty good with 28mm but I'm really new to this scale and doing that kind of detail seems all but impossible. The smaller the scale, the easier the paint job 
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Jul 6, 2010 23:23
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Guildenstern posted:Dear God, the GHQ 10mm Napoleonics are beautiful. Amazing detail and excellent proportions in a scale where most models look really pudgy. I feel like I can't really do these models justice with my painting; I consider myself pretty good with 28mm but I'm really new to this scale and doing that kind of detail seems all but impossible. Heh thats the spirit, nothing wrong with being educated enough to notice things like that. You are only a grognard if you refuse to play aginst anyone with such figures, and start frothing how things were much better in the 1970s. Also GHQ do make lovely miniatures. I swear by their 6mm moderns. My mate has some of their ACW in 10mm and they are very nice, just as you say about the Napoleonics. Although for me, being in the UK I cant justify the price difference betweemn them and UK 10mm makers. They work out at nearly 4 times the price, and they arent 4 times as good! I swear by Pendraken for 10mm personally, firstly coz I like the sculpts, secondly they are cheap cheap cheap and thirdly you get great customer service- the guy who runs it, Dave is a top bloke.
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Jul 7, 2010 07:42
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Silhouette posted:The smaller the scale, the easier the paint job True enough, the ones I've painted up look pretty good even though they're my first models in the scale, but I still feel like I could do better with models of this quality. It's pretty interesting transitioning from 28mm though, it's true what they say about highlights having to be really sharp. Serotonin posted:Heh thats the spirit, nothing wrong with being educated enough to notice things like that. You are only a grognard if you refuse to play aginst anyone with such figures, and start frothing how things were much better in the 1970s. "Educated" is a nice word for "absolute hopeless nerd"  Off topic rant: Why is it that studying for exams is hard while remembering the changes to French line infantry uniforms made in 1812 or the spell list of an Empire Warrior Priest in That Other Game is easy? quote:Also GHQ do make lovely miniatures. I swear by their 6mm moderns. Being in the UK makes wargamer shopping easy. I don't get much of a choice - here in Poland, there's basically only one business that distributes historicals and they're the only source to avoid insane shipping costs. For 10mm they carry only GHQ and Magister Militum, which look like hobbits.
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Jul 7, 2010 09:20
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I have no interesting models in the works at this very moment (maybe some I am painting up for an RPG soon), but I have been contemplating collecting an army of Montrose Scots for Warhammer English Civil War. I was wondering whether anybody who was familiar with this ruleset would be able to clarify how Highlanders work? I believe you are supposed to field Highland Clans as regiments consisting of gentry and rabble, but each of these are listed as if they were separate units in the army list. Can't find an errata either. Anybody know?
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Jul 7, 2010 14:02
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My order of Richard III and his posse has arrived, but one thing I missed before I placed the order is that the figure isn't wearing a surcoat. Now, I know they were pretty much phased out in the 15th century, but this seems to suggest that he was still rocking one, and it would add color to the figure rather than just a mass of silver. So history nerds, should I sculpt one? Or are the Perrys right?
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Jul 7, 2010 14:56
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Early War is coming!? Yesssssss quote:This week the countdown to Early-war begins. As we first take a sneak peek inside the pages of Blitzkrieg: The German Invasion of Poland and France 1939-1940 before revealing the first of the Early-war army boxes. We then start our series of articles looking at the Early-war armies currently under construction by Battlefront staff, beginning with Chris’ Leichte Panzerkompanie. In event news this week, we have one last announcement regarding U.S. National tournament at HISTORICON before we wrap this for the week with Finnish Jääkärikomppania for Mid-war going official. http://www.flamesofwar.com/Default.aspx?tabid=53&art_id=2021
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Jul 8, 2010 16:15
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Yeah the guys around here have been really psyched about it. Sounds rad as hell.
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Jul 8, 2010 18:28
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I really, really hope this pays true to the Polish defence against the German invasion and not some bullshit unstoppable blitzkrieg fictional bullshit. I also wonder how they will address (if at all) the total political failure and betrayal of the British and French towards their ally. It'll be interesting to see if they do it historically correct or just what people get taught in middle school.
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Jul 8, 2010 21:25
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big_g posted:I really, really hope this pays true to the Polish defence against the German invasion and not some bullshit unstoppable blitzkrieg fictional bullshit. I don't see why they would treat it any differently than their other products. The game rules are relatively simplified but they don't skimp on historical accuracy.
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yeh I suppose it just depends on who's version of historical accuracy they follow. Because of the fall of the iron curtain over Poland directly after the War (You know just after the Allies betrayed them and sold them off to the Russians.) a lot of the evidence we based things on were from German propaganda sources. Hurray. Its the Massive BLITZKRIEG title that worried me. big_g fucked around with this message at 22:16 on Jul 8, 2010 |
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Jul 8, 2010 22:12
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big_g posted:I really, really hope this pays true to the Polish defence against the German invasion and not some bullshit unstoppable blitzkrieg fictional bullshit. I don't see what you're getting at. I doubt they're going to make the Poles wet paper bags, but it's historically accurate to have them using outdated equipment and being under-supplied. I'll be the last person to besmirch the honor and fighting spirit of the Poles; my grandfather was an officer in the cavalry and later a partisan. But on the field, they didn't have much of a chance. They didn't have the planes to fight Hitler's air force, and they didn't have the guns to stop his tanks. This state of affairs was a symptom of British and French appeasement, but it's hard to reflect the political actions that led to it in a game focusing on combat.
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Jul 8, 2010 22:14
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Additionally, Flames of War is not a recreational historical simulation, but a historical game where two sides of similar size meet in battle. Weaknesses are combined with strengths to make it a fair and fun battle. Making the Polish or French army crappy and always lose would simply not make sense from a game designer viewpoint, as it would make for a very boring game and few sales. Instead they will probably just give the Poles cheaper troops to cover the Germans' access to better equipment etc. lilljonas fucked around with this message at 07:23 on Jul 9, 2010 |
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Jul 9, 2010 07:20
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I'm not a FoW player, but I just hope they avoid the widespread myth of sabre charges as the principal fighting mode of Polish cavalry. Of course, it can't be truly historical in any case because the whole point of the German operational doctrine was about avoiding the even matchups the game is about, which at this stage of the war they did pretty well. On the topic of FoW, I wonder why more companies in historicals don't try to follow the vertically integrated business model (one company creating miniatures, rules to go with them and organizing tournaments) that has completely dominated the industry since GW pioneered it. It's the standard in fantasy games and Battlefront has shown that it can be used for a resurgence of historical wargaming. Meanwhile this subset of the hobby is really being held back by the confusion on which scale, ruleset, basing system etc. to use and nobody seems able to step up to the plate. Sure, you can't beat WW2 in popularity, but I'm sure there's plenty of money to be made in appealing and well-known periods like Roman antiquity and the Napoleonic Wars. The latter especially suffers from the usual problems - it's supposed to be the classic wargaming setting and yet you're hard-pressed to find two groups that use the same rules or a manufacturer who doesn't follow a horribly outdated 70's business model.
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Guildenstern posted:I'm not a FoW player, but I just hope they avoid the widespread myth of sabre charges as the principal fighting mode of Polish cavalry. Of course, it can't be truly historical in any case because the whole point of the German operational doctrine was about avoiding the even matchups the game is about, which at this stage of the war they did pretty well. You could argue that Field of Glory was a serious stab at making a "GW style" Ancient game, but they didn't go as far as combining it with a miniature line. Warlord Games are even closer by publishing Black Powder and making pike and shotte miniatures. With plastics becoming bigger and bigger in historicals, I think we're more likely to see something like this. However, the insane number of already established niches of Ancient and Medieval wargaming both in scales and armies does make it more difficult to cover than, say, WW2 or fantasy. It would be interesting to see an attempt to make an Ancient style Flames or War, but it would be tricky to release a set of rules that covers enough armies to make it interesting, and at the same time support a range of miniatures that are big enough. The only realistic option would be for Victrix or Perrys to release a set of rules for Napoleonics, which is a much more focused period, but why would they when Black Powder so recently made a big splash? To emphasise the problem of comparing Flames of War with Ancient wargaming: Flames of War have many books with many lists, but to a large degree these are just variations of the same stuff, with different access to similar infantry, tanks and artillery. You don't have to produce a new sherman tank to fit every army list that can take shermans, so it is easy to give shelf space FoW even as more army lists are added. Even then only some of the major countries are covered by the books, and Early War was kept out for many years. Compare this with Field of Glory. The number of blisters you'd have to put up on a shelf of a store just to cover a single one of their sourcebooks would be huge, as it is not just variations of the same equipment but different cultures with different weapons, armours and dresses. Now multiply that with the roughly 250 army lists they have, even that a limited amount of army lists that far from cover everything a historical player could be interested in. We're now talking about thousands of unique blisters. Completely impossible. I'd say the minimal period to cover to be seriously considered would be something like Greek Hoplite to Imperial Rome, which would mean a range of several dozen unique armies all with dozens of unique blisters. There's just no way you would get the brick and mortar store presence of FoW. The only solution would be a very limited wargame where you cover maybe republican Rome, Carthage, Gaul, Greek city states and Macedon or whatever. And I would want to make Samnites or Vikings or Hittites or Ming Chinese and say that the game was bullshit and not play it, while a FoW player who wants to play a Finnish army have been able to do it since the differences are so much smaller. See the problem? lilljonas fucked around with this message at 10:32 on Jul 9, 2010 |
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Jul 9, 2010 10:14
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Yeah I can't see a wide period of history being very popular. For WWII, at least, you really only have 4 or 5 nations producing equipment, and everything else is a matter of paint and decals (for armor at least, uniforms might be slightly different). Anyway, I just got Rod Langton's book. Skimming through it, it seems pretty useful. If anyone else plans on doing 1:1200 ships (and even 1:2400), I would recommend it heavily.
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The other point is that tournaments are really a tiny tiny part of wargaming outside of GW. Many historical players have little to no interest in it.
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My Empress Miniatures order arrived- got the Zulu British character pack, some British line infantry and the 2 fireteams of SAS. Exceptionally well sculpted figures, truely beautiful. They are however small. Closer to true 25mm. Compared to Perry plastics they are almost a head shorter. Not that I was planning on mixing them obviously! But it just means that I will be tied ito Empress for my Zulu project which is no bad thing. I was considering the Wargames Factory plastic brits but they look terrible. Their Zulus dont look too bad though.
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lilljonas posted:Additionally, Flames of War is not a recreational historical simulation, but a historical game where two sides of similar size meet in battle. Weaknesses are combined with strengths to make it a fair and fun battle. Making the Polish or French army crappy and always lose would simply not make sense from a game designer viewpoint, as it would make for a very boring game and few sales. It's much more likely that we'll just get boring generic lists for France and Poland (and probably nothing for Norway or Italy, etc.) and detailed lists for the 323. SS-Panzergrenadierkompanie after they were reequipped during the last week of the war in Poland but before being redeployed to the Netherlands.
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Jul 10, 2010 13:07
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Can someone tell me why most miniature companies focus almost exclusively on casting in metal? Maybe I'm way off, but it seems like it would be so much easier and cheaper to cast in plastic, especially for smaller companies.
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ManMythLegend posted:Can someone tell me why most miniature companies focus almost exclusively on casting in metal? Maybe I'm way off, but it seems like it would be so much easier and cheaper to cast in plastic, especially for smaller companies. Because pewter and resin uses cheap rubber and ceramic molds, while plastic requires expensive milled steel molds.
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Devlan Mud posted:Because pewter and resin uses cheap rubber and ceramic molds, while plastic requires expensive milled steel molds. Well alright then.
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Empress has these awesome 28mm modern day duders - I'm gonna pull the trigger unless someone knows of better 28mm modern day duders. Suggestions? I kinda prefer this more realistic look compared to something like The Assault Group's "chunkiness", if that helps. nuncle jimbo fucked around with this message at 06:22 on Jul 11, 2010 |
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Devlan Mud posted:Because pewter and resin uses cheap rubber and ceramic molds, while plastic requires expensive milled steel molds. Set up costs for plastics are astronomically high.
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Serotonin posted:Set up costs for plastics are astronomically high. Though it has gone down a bit, which is seen by the rapid increase of hard plastic 28mm historicals the last couple of years. But it still has to be something that you think is popular enough to make your money back, like greek hoplites or roman legions. I would not sit around and wait for plastic Aztecs or Carolingians.
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Went to one of the biggest medieval fairs and re-enactments today (battle of Tewkesbury). Already browsing for Wars of the Roses armies to play Warmaster Medieval in. gently caress this hobby. PS have a pic of some blokes fighting.  Click here for the full 800x1200 image.
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Trouble Man posted:It's much more likely that we'll just get boring generic lists for France and Poland (and probably nothing for Norway or Italy, etc.) and detailed lists for the 323. SS-Panzergrenadierkompanie after they were reequipped during the last week of the war in Poland but before being redeployed to the Netherlands. For those not interested in rooting through the entire thing, probably the most interesting unit in there is the 1st Brazillian Expeditionary Division. Yeah.
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Arquinsiel posted:Have you ever looked at FoW? Dig through the army lists here for a while and see what you come up with. I know, I know - I was just being a bit unkind to Battlefront about their free content.
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lilljonas posted:Though it has gone down a bit, which is seen by the rapid increase of hard plastic 28mm historicals the last couple of years. But it still has to be something that you think is popular enough to make your money back, like greek hoplites or roman legions. I would not sit around and wait for plastic Aztecs or Carolingians. Yeah, it's actually about 10% of what it cost just 5 years ago or so. But that 10% is still around $5k-$8k
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Silhouette posted:Yeah, it's actually about 10% of what it cost just 5 years ago or so. But that 10% is still around $5k-$8k Which is a massive amount of capital for 99% of figure manufacturers outside of the big boys.
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http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/edge_news.asp?eidn=1460 Battles of Napoleon is apparently now on sale. I'm curious if anyone's tried it out. It would probably be a great way to introduce people to historical wargaming. EDIT: Their store doesn't have any and Amazon says it's still "available for pre-order", although there are other sellers on Amazon selling the game now.
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Well my Prussians have arrived, painted up a test base:      These are waiting a coat of paint:   
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Jul 14, 2010 11:09
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Super Cool! How do they look all together as a unit?
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 Free miniatures! Does anyone (preferably in the UK) want a 28mm four man modern British platoon command and a modern British army piper? I got them free from The Assault Group after they messed up some packs I was ordering for a diorama, so if someone else will put them to good use, let me know. I'd prefer UK since it'd be pennies to post, but if someone overseas wants them and no one else does... Also, TAG are really good at fixing orders, and quick too, so I reccomend them.
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Danger - Octopus! posted:
I wouldnt say no- it would be good for our 28mm Ambush Alley we are moving over to. My email address is amrypooinsATgamilDOTcom
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Anyone know where the hell I can buy the Warhammer Historical books nowadays (aside from eBay and their website)?
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