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poor and weird posted:But the "sex-crazed pervert who tries to take advantage of any straight guy" is a pretty old stereotype and not a very good one to invoke. Sorry, but that poo poo happens and to pretend like it doesn't is pretty disingenuous. Gay people are capable of rape, I've known of it to happen (not that T is getting raped). God drat it, Onstad, I'm on pins and needles here. 
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^^^^^Thanks for making the same point I was making in the last paragraph, but before I made it  ^^^^^Of course it's inappropriate. That's the whole point. It's an inappropriate situation the characters find themselves in. Changing the races or genders or sexual orientations of any of the characters involved would not change the fact that a stuffed bear and a cat are having what might be their last moments on earth, in a van, driven by another cat who is a delusional psychopath. Plus if I'm being honest the word "rape" keeps getting dragged up here and I'm not seeing any "rape" involved. Nate didn't club T over the head with his massive dong nor did he bend him over like they were in the prison laundry room. Unless the rules have changed now, and sexual predators are required by law to tell their victims "You do what you need to, but you do what you want to, too."
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Jul 12, 2010 01:50
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Can we get an update soon Chris? with the slide whistle?
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Look, just to sum up: I never said Onstad was some big gay-hater, I just said it was a poor choice on his part due to Unfortunate Implications. It's no different than people who said the Lash of Thanatos (which I liked) was boring and self-involved, or that Korean Magical Realism was a weak retread of Mexican Magical Realism, they're all cases you can argue and it comes down to personal preference.
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Grandpa Pap posted:Of course it's inappropriate. That's the whole point. It feels like Nate is coercing Teodor, and although this isn't really relevant to cartoons about teddy bears, you might want to rethink your assertion that it's not rape unless there's violence, because that's a pretty harmful misconception to have in real life.
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Jul 12, 2010 01:53
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SeanBeansShako posted:Can we get an update soon Chris? with the slide whistle? Tomorrow's Recipe is Chicken.
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Slashie posted:It feels like Nate is coercing Teodor, and although this isn't really relevant to cartoons about teddy bears, you might want to rethink your assertion that it's not rape unless there's violence, because that's a pretty harmful misconception to have in real life. In the interests of clarification: within the context of the strip, I do not believe the elderly, beaten-up cat is raping the doughy, slightly-more-beaten-up stuffed bear and forcing him to perform a handjob. Nor do I think that it's only rape if there's violence involved, as I'm sure we all know or know of someone who was verbally coerced into sex against their will by clergymen, relatives, boyfriends, bosses, etc.
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Grandpa Pap posted:In the interests of clarification: within the context of the strip, I do not believe the elderly, beaten-up cat is raping the doughy, slightly-more-beaten-up stuffed bear and forcing him to perform a handjob. Nor do I think that it's only rape if there's violence involved, as I'm sure we all know or know of someone who was verbally coerced into sex against their will by clergymen, relatives, boyfriends, bosses, etc.
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Slashie posted:Glad that's settled. Mexican Magical Realism Handjobs for everyone! Plus I think we should have some of those mushroom kabobs Ray told T about in that one hypothetical situation. 
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Jul 12, 2010 02:12
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Grandpa Pap posted:Plus I think we should have some of those mushroom kabobs Ray told T about in that one hypothetical situation.  I am a recent Achewood convert and have no idea what you're talking about. Also can anyone link me to and/or explain how Molly got out of heaven?
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Jul 12, 2010 02:20
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This is like in Return of the Jedi where the Emperor is saying, "Good. Use your hate." However, instead of "hate" Nate is saying "mouth."
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Jul 12, 2010 02:22
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Slashie posted:
It burned down. Really. (Well, one building anyway.) http://achewood.com/index.php?date=06142004 http://achewood.com/index.php?date=06152004 http://achewood.com/index.php?date=06182004
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I still want to know more about Trouble Man and No-No.
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Slashie posted:
It's in this strip where Ray complains to T about groceries.
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Erebus posted:It burned down. Really. (Well, one building anyway.) Oh sure, of course.  Grandpa Pap posted:It's in this strip where Ray complains to T about groceries. Ha this owns.
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ManiacClown posted:This is like in Return of the Jedi where the Emperor is saying, "Good. Use your hate." However, instead of "hate" Nate is saying "mouth." Great, now I have images of Emperor Nate saying Fully Armed And Operational Battle Cock.
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SeanBeansShako posted:Great, now I have images of Emperor Nate saying Fully Armed And Operational Battle Cock. "Oh… I'm afraid this penis will be quite operational when your friends arrive."
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Jul 12, 2010 04:22
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Jul 12, 2010 05:34
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Considering Nathan has zero problems touching a naked dude in a Denny's at 2am, hell, considering that Nathan is in a Denny's at 2 am, I don't think he's exactly some exemplary member of the human race. Gay dudes aren't a horrible thing but there isn't a player aside from Teodor in this situation that isn't part of the horror show. I think the important thing to take away from this whole situation is that high school is a pretty poo poo time of one's life, and double high school is apparently even worse 
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poor and weird posted:I'm not saying it would be better if it was male on female rape. I would still think it's inappropriate. And I didn't say Onstad was doing it consciously. But the "sex-crazed pervert who tries to take advantage of any straight guy" is a pretty old stereotype and not a very good one to invoke. A better comparison would be "what if it were a black male character trying to take advantage of a white female". If you don't think that has unfortunate implications, then welp, I dunno what else I can say to you. Seriously? He's an old dude. He happened to be gay. His late night started out with a naked man drawing pictures on his stomach and standing in front of him. It then turns into him being almost killed, locked in the back of a van with another naked man. Assuming the second man was gay was not a stretch. And then pulling a "gently caress it we're all gonna die" isn't a stretch.
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I finally go to preorder Cookbook II, and the store has it listed as not in stock? 
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I am unsettled by the Bible quote Nathan spews when he unleashes his cat dong. I have no idea why.
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Mrs. Badcrumble posted:I finally go to preorder Cookbook II, and the store has it listed as not in stock? Don't worry, it hasn't come out yet.
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ManiacClown posted:"Oh… I'm afraid this penis will be quite operational when your friends arrive." "The ______ is swelling in you now!"
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Phy posted:"The ______ is swelling in you now!" "You want this.... don't you?"
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Phy posted:"The ______ is swelling in you now!" "Luke, take off this ______. Let me ______ you with my own ______."
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"Good, I can feel your anger. I am defenseless. Take your ________. Strike me down with all of your hatred and your journey towards the dark side will be complete!"
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poor and weird posted:I still want to know more about Trouble Man and No-No. Me too 
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I was at a party on Saturday and two guys in their underwear ended up fighting in the pool behind me. I turned back to the group conversation I was having and said, "Well, you can do whatever you want in life." Everyone laughed, no one got the reference, thanks for the line Onstad That said, I'm uncomfortable with the blatant anti-homosexual sentiment exhibited in that strip; it's implying that the two men who touch naked in a hot tub are both inherently belligerent and disagreeable. Why couldn't it have been two -girl- cats, instead???
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MizuZero posted:I was at a party on Saturday and two guys in their underwear ended up fighting in the pool behind me. I turned back to the group conversation I was having and said, "Well, you can do whatever you want in life." Everyone laughed, no one got the reference, thanks for the line Onstad Girls can never be angry as those two dudes to fight it out in a hot tub over some trivial disagreement. It is a special kind of anger when one man has for another.
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MizuZero posted:I was at a party on Saturday and two guys in their underwear ended up fighting in the pool behind me. I turned back to the group conversation I was having and said, "Well, you can do whatever you want in life." Everyone laughed, no one got the reference, thanks for the line Onstad It's porn. There doesn't need to be a realistic reason for them to do what they do.
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Happy Hippo posted:MizuZero just expects more from gay porn plots than most folks do, I guess. real gay porn has two chiseled Adonises jackhammering in the jacuzzi, hard hats and steel-toes arranged tastefully nearby. The Hot Tub Brawls series is the Double Deuce to real gay porn's Rick's Café Américain.
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MizuZero posted:real gay porn has two chiseled Adonises jackhammering in the jacuzzi, hard hats and steel-toes arranged tastefully nearby. The Hot Tub Brawls series is the Double Deuce to real gay porn's Rick's Café Américain. I always had the impression that it wasn't even intended as porn, that it was more like 'Bum Fights.' Which... also sounds like gay porn, now that I think about it.
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Dove from Above posted:I always had the impression that it wasn't even intended as porn, that it was more like 'Bum Fights.' I think you've seriously misread this conversation so far. Nobody actually thinks it was supposed to be porn. Is funny joke! You didn't misread the comic though, you had that part right.
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