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Rey Mysterio debuted at PPV, but I only know he did it WCW. Mysterious Straight Edge Stranger appeared a few months ago, in CM Punk's vs Rey Hair vs. Nothing Really match.
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Sionistic posted:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bxr9pZwwSMA It's Dave Meltzer saying MINUS FIVE STARS. I forget what it's in reference to, though.
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Jul 15, 2010 19:15
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Nah that's Bryan Alvarez talking about Jenna/Sharmell.
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Sionistic posted:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bxr9pZwwSMA Sounds like Bryan Alvarez. Edit: beaten like a Benoit
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Jul 15, 2010 19:50
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Sionistic posted:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bxr9pZwwSMA Minus 5 stars and it's Bryan Alvarez
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Jul 15, 2010 20:34
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Quick Question - What is with almost every wrestling promotion starting up an invasion angle at the same time?
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Jul 15, 2010 20:36
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TelevisedInsanity posted:Quick Question - What is with almost every wrestling promotion starting up an invasion angle at the same time? Monkey See, Monkey Do.
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Jul 15, 2010 20:50
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Rusty Shackelford posted:Monkey See, Monkey Do. Who was first out of the gate? Wasn't it AAA?
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Jul 15, 2010 20:54
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Lone Rogue posted:Who was first out of the gate? Wasn't it AAA? I don't know. But that's just how it works in wrestling - one company does something so they all do it. Remember all of the nWo copycats?
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TelevisedInsanity posted:Quick Question - What is with almost every wrestling promotion starting up an invasion angle at the same time? With the exception of TNA it is basically just a big coincidence. AAA had been working on bringing the Perros in for months. CMLL is a bit desperate and trying a bunch of different things including their half asses former AAA midcarders invasion. TNA's ECW invasion post dates the start of the other invasions, but even that seems to have more to do with TNA's obsession with the late 90s than just bandwagoning.
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MassRayPer posted:TNA's ECW invasion  seriously?? I don't mean to derail but wow, the last time I saw any TNA they mentioned "WWE" and "Bret Hart" about five times in one segment. It's truly astonishing how obsessed they are with rehashing history from other companies.
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Jul 15, 2010 21:10
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I think TNA's ECW invasion has been in development since before the Nexus angle started. They were trying to get Heyman, but they haven't yet, so they're going for it without him.
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Jul 15, 2010 21:13
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An invasion angle is just an easy way to have a very clearly defined faces vs heels storyline over an extended period of time. I mean, even Chikara has an invasion storyline with the DBK thing. Not sure if they have finished it yet though.
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CVagts posted:I think TNA's ECW invasion has been in development since before the Nexus angle started. They were trying to get Heyman, but they haven't yet, so they're going for it without him. I think their attempts to get Heyman post date the start of the Nexus Invasion. Everything seemed in motion to work towards Hogan vs Abyss until after that point and then TNA seemed like they wanted to get away from Hogan, or Hogan wants to get away from TNA. I feel like they started courting Heyman just before they had the ECW guys start appearing in the stands and came up with the ECW invasion then.
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Jul 15, 2010 21:23
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Rusty Shackelford posted:I don't know. But that's just how it works in wrestling - one company does something so they all do it. Remember all of the nWo copycats? Of course. The Corporation/Corporate Ministry and The Network were the two biggest ones. And yeah, I consider the Network to be ECW's nWo because the bWo was more of a parody group. There were also stupid ones like the NWA Invasion that never properly happened, or the '97 WWF ECW Invasion that was more just a way to promote ECW. WWF had a lot of terrible nWo copycats. That said, I'm gonna wait to pass judgment on the ECW/TNA because it seems like they want to do their own One Night Stand, not rip off the Nexus.
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Who would you all say are the best heel tag teams? Comedy/Serious?
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Beasley posted:Who would you all say are the best heel tag teams? The Midnight Express.
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Beasley posted:Who would you all say are the best heel tag teams? New Age Outlaws got some mega heat back in their "No music, coming down the ramp trash talking their opponents" stage. And, of course, ECW Dudleyz.
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Jul 15, 2010 22:46
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Beasley posted:Who would you all say are the best heel tag teams? The Brain Busters
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Jul 15, 2010 22:55
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Lone Rogue posted:The Gangstas in Smoky Mountain. The Gangstas in SMW are one of the few clear cut example of "go away" heat. They hurt gates when they came in because they went so far over the line that people did not want to see them.
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MassRayPer posted:The Gangstas in SMW are one of the few clear cut example of "go away" heat. They hurt gates when they came in because they went so far over the line that people did not want to see them. It was brilliant that they only had to get a two count because of affirmative action.
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MassRayPer posted:The Gangstas in SMW are one of the few clear cut example of "go away" heat. They hurt gates when they came in because they went so far over the line that people did not want to see them. I just call that being "ahead of their time". 
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MassRayPer posted:The Gangstas in SMW are one of the few clear cut example of "go away" heat. They hurt gates when they came in because they went so far over the line that people did not want to see them. They were great in SMW. Way ahead of there time. Being surrounded by a bunch of idiot rednecks only made their gimmick better. Its amazing hearing New Jack in his YouShoot interview praise the R&R Express on teaching him the psychology of wrestling.
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Jul 15, 2010 23:09
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DMPunk posted:They were great in SMW. Way ahead of there time. Being surrounded by a bunch of idiot rednecks only made their gimmick better. Its amazing hearing New Jack in his YouShoot interview praise the R&R Express on teaching him the psychology of wrestling. They hurt SMW's business. It may entertain you in retrospect, but by that fact alone they were not great in SMW. There were some good ideas, but in the end it was a failure.
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MassRayPer posted:They hurt SMW's business. It may entertain you in retrospect, but by that fact alone they were not great in SMW. There were some good ideas, but in the end it was a failure. I am no SMW expert, but they weren't doing gangbusters before and after the Gangstas were there.
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DMPunk posted:I am no SMW expert, but they weren't doing gangbusters before and after the Gangstas were there. Cornette did a recent history of SMW show with Alvarez and specifically went over why the Gangstas just didn't work in SMW. He thought it was a great idea at the time, it looked to be getting huge heat, but it got the wrong kind of heat. I'll trust the word of the guy who ran the company and was very honest and detailed about the business end of SMW.
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Beasley posted:Who would you all say are the best heel tag teams? Midnight Express, Hart Foundation, Demolition, Road Warriors, Wild Samoans, Brain Busters
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MassRayPer posted:Cornette did a recent history of SMW show with Alvarez and specifically went over why the Gangstas just didn't work in SMW. He thought it was a great idea at the time, it looked to be getting huge heat, but it got the wrong kind of heat. I'll trust the word of the guy who ran the company and was very honest and detailed about the business end of SMW. It's possible that he isn't happy with New Jack claiming him to be a bit of a racist, but I wouldn't doubt it if all of these redneck dipshits stopped buying tickets to SMW because the Gangstas were big and mean.
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TelevisedInsanity posted:Quick Question - What is with almost every wrestling promotion starting up an invasion angle at the same time?
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Didn't Abyss say that "they" won't be happy with the ECW thing? I don't think they were supposed to be his voices.
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Lone Rogue posted:Didn't Abyss say that "they" won't be happy with the ECW thing? I don't think they were supposed to be his voices. The swerve is that IWA:MS are "they"! ECW vs IWA:MS vs TNA -- the dream feud right there.
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ChikoDemono posted:The swerve is that IWA:MS are "they"! ECW vs IWA:MS vs TNA -- the dream feud right there. That'll be way better than the CZW vs ROH feud, holy poo poo.
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Lone Rogue posted:It's possible that he isn't happy with New Jack claiming him to be a bit of a racist, but I wouldn't doubt it if all of these redneck dipshits stopped buying tickets to SMW because the Gangstas were big and mean. I'm pretty sure they made up.
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I personally like the Dudebusters for comedy heels. And Kozlov/Zeke only lasted a few months, but they were IMPOSING in the ring. It was always a battle to get them off their feet. (The key was to trick Ezekial into an elbow drop, because he missed like 90% of those).
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Beasley posted:Who would you all say are the best heel tag teams? The best ones that I've seen have already been mentioned, but my faves are The Brain Busters. I think anyone wanting to learn heel tag team psychology should just watch a bunch of their matches and they'll be 100x better. They haven't been mentioned but supposedly the Andersons (Gene & Ole) were a really great heel tag team and they didn't cheat. They would just beat the poo poo out of guys, doing a bunch of quick tags, until the crowd got livid and hated them. Lone Rogue posted:It's possible that he isn't happy with New Jack claiming him to be a bit of a racist, but I wouldn't doubt it if all of these redneck dipshits stopped buying tickets to SMW because the Gangstas were big and mean. At the end of the New Jack Youshoot he shows up at Cornette's Guest Booker taping and they shoot the poo poo and bury the hatchet.
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Does anyone else have Time Warner digital? I have like 700 channels including the sports and HD channels and WWE smackdown isn't listed for any of them nor is mynetworktv a channel on it. I even looked through the affiliate channels for Smackdown's timeslot and it isn't listed anywhere. Just recently got it and I'm having no luck finding the show. It'd help bring up viewers if they were on a station people actually have.
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Mr. Carlisle posted:Does anyone else have Time Warner digital? I have like 700 channels including the sports and HD channels and WWE smackdown isn't listed for any of them nor is mynetworktv a channel on it. I even looked through the affiliate channels for Smackdown's timeslot and it isn't listed anywhere. Just recently got it and I'm having no luck finding the show. Is it possible they list MyNetworkTV as MyTV? You might be able to check the lineup here: http://www.timewarnercable.com/East/learn/cable/channellineup.html
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Cactus Jack posted:The best ones that I've seen have already been mentioned, but my faves are The Brain Busters. I think anyone wanting to learn heel tag team psychology should just watch a bunch of their matches and they'll be 100x better. I mentioned the Brain Busters.
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Thanks for the link Strenuous Manflurry - this is what it gave me (If it'll show you the same lineup that I got with this link I dunno) Edit: Disregard - found it. Thanks to those that helped. Orange Carlisle fucked around with this message at 00:50 on Jul 17, 2010 |
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