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mune posted:I kinda wish that the Band of the Hawk arc was a lot longer. It was the high point of the series in my opinion. I'm of the mind that when you see the whole story when it's complete, these arcs will easily be comparable or better. The hard part is the wait, unfortunately.
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Beserk is an epic story. I like it because Guts is the absolute least pretentious hero I've ever read about it. So, epic stories aren't just slaying bad guys and saving the girl. You have to build the scale of the battle. Each side track with demons shows how Guts is a demon slayer. The story doesn't just tell you 'heres the cool guy'. It doesn't just give him the super sword of 9000 demon killing because he was born to be the king. The Beserk plot builds the characters into what they are. Read something like Fist of the North Star, which is no less classic or epic, and you will see a lot of 'this guy is strong....oh no he killed the strong guy!' What a surprise! Stories NEED exposition to make the conflict believable important. I appreciate it and frankly, I've enjoyed the series enough that it doesn't have to hurry up. Each section is self contained well so I've receive the feeling of completion several times over. There is just more and more to read.
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That's great, but I want to see how this is going to end. At the moment, I'm afraid that Miura is going to pull a Robert Jordan on us. If he gets hit by a car next week, I will be pissed!
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Does anyone knows how long it takes him to create one chapter? Does he have assistants and everything? I'm just wondering how many hours of work could be squeezed out for his 3 chapters than many months on break schedule. Are those months taken to create the next batch?
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Hemish posted:Does anyone knows how long it takes him to create one chapter? Does he have assistants and everything? I'm just wondering how many hours of work could be squeezed out for his 3 chapters than many months on break schedule. Are those months taken to create the next batch? I remember reading somewhere that he does have a couple of assistants that help from time to time, but the amount of work they do is relatively small. The guy is a hermit, like someone said earlier, who does nothing except eat, sleep, and draw. The letter that SkullKnight.net received was really interesting to me. quote:Q8: Could you describe an average day in your studio? How many hours each day do you work? I tend to believe that he is constantly working on Berserk. I haven't seen anything about how long he spends on each, but I would imagine the length of time varies from episode to episode.
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not to mention idolmaster love and you've got a right old hikkomori  Click here for the full 640x386 image.
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Jul 23, 2010 22:19
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The guy just needs something to counter Berserk's testosterone overload.
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Jul 23, 2010 22:29
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The man needs some GTO in his veins. A bit of pep and vigour in his step and motivation.
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Lord_Pigeonbane posted:The guy just needs something to counter Berserk's testosterone overload. e: Ugh okay so I assumed that spending long hours drawing comics and playing idolmaster precludes his having a social life like a normal person. I apologize for being dumb. But if he wanted calming influences, he could read literature or listen to music or go to museums or all kinds of stuff that would make me feel less weird about my hobbies okay 
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Jul 26, 2010 00:39
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Would you date Miura?
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Jul 26, 2010 00:41
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I'd be as interested in hanging out with him as with any other artist who's work I really admire. So yes, absolutely, at least one date, but I'm obviously biased.
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Jul 26, 2010 00:45
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So how about chapter 315
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Schubalts posted:Would you date Miura? I'd blow him if it meant the series would get finished before he dies. Also, 315. Wait, can it be? Can it really be? Yes, Guts goes full Berserker  , had a sweet lead up to it too.Also, is it just the translation, or is the pirate captain saying theres gonna be an Eclipse or something? Only way I can reason Guts would let himself get taken over by the Berserker so quickly.
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Jul 26, 2010 03:44
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So it does look like it's going on break again, for a little bit anyway. The consistency of these breaks really do make me things its because of him spending just THAT MUCH TIME on the art. ON THE OTHER HAND  Proving that, yes, you guys do take his blurbs (those re: Idolmaster in particular) wayyyy too seriously.
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That was badass. I am fulfilled for now, but I think I'll get another craving for badass long before a new chapter comes out.
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Can someone upload that somewhere else for me? I'm not in a place where I can torrent things.
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Do people actually like the berserker armour thing? One of the things I love best about Berserk is how "grounded" the fight panels are. You can almost feel how heavy Guts' sword weighs from the way he's drawn when he swings it (this is also one thing the Dreamcast game really managed to capture). The first time he used the Berserker armour it was pretty jawdropping to see him leaping around, but now it seems like he switches to using it so quickly. It doesn't help that he's just fighting a big amorphous blob again.
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rapeface posted:Do people actually like the berserker armour thing? One of the things I love best about Berserk is how "grounded" the fight panels are. You can almost feel how heavy Guts' sword weighs from the way he's drawn when he swings it (this is also one thing the Dreamcast game really managed to capture). The first time he used the Berserker armour it was pretty jawdropping to see him leaping around, but now it seems like he switches to using it so quickly. It doesn't help that he's just fighting a big amorphous blob again. The appeal of the Berserker armor for me is its affinity with Guts. The fact that Serpico seems to have an affinity for wind doesn't really strike me as anything we've learned about the character over a long period of time, though there was the time he was doing sword practice catching leaves on his blade. However with Guts we have a firm grounding that his combat prowess is derived from an animal-like ferocity. It would also stand to reason that after Guts got the Dragonslayer and could kill demons, Miura knew he had to up the stakes, so Guts can't just fight alone anymore, his path of carnage has drawn others into its pull. But even with his allies they are not strong enough to stand before the growing darkness (first the God Hand now Cthulhu). At the Spirit Tree when it would seem Guts is defeated, he comes back like always only now the thing we've known this whole time, that a life dedicated to fighting will kill Guts, is embodied in the armor. He is essentially wearing a mantle of death.
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If a world of transforming demons makes sense, then the berserker armor makes sense. Otherwise, Guts has to wear plot armor order get his ribs broken every fight and yet survive. The berserker armor is the cohesive counterpart to all the other magic in the story. In order to fight demons, Guts must possess a little demon in him. The berserker armor is just a reflection of that transformation and keeps Guts from being a complete mary sue.
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temple posted:If a world of transforming demons makes sense, then the berserker armor makes sense. Otherwise, Guts has to wear plot armor order get his ribs broken every fight and yet survive. The berserker armor is the cohesive counterpart to all the other magic in the story. In order to fight demons, Guts must possess a little demon in him. The berserker armor is just a reflection of that transformation and keeps Guts from being a complete mary sue. I'm was just talking about aesthetics. What does the realism of the armour have to do with anything? And the whole point of Guts is that he's a human that has even more bloodlust than demons. That's his "little bit of demon" imo. The armour seems more mary sue than anything. It's gotten him out of every tough fight ever since he got it and even though the plot says "omg so dangerous", you know loli-witch is going to bring him back and then he's just going to rest for a couple days.
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Jul 26, 2010 12:45
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rapeface posted:you know loli-witch is going to bring him back and then he's just going to rest for a couple days. This is true, loli witches and magic beans and whatnot have been terrible safety nets in too many manly fights. Obviously the only solution is to kill the witch.
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rapeface posted:I'm was just talking about aesthetics. What does the realism of the armour have to do with anything? And the whole point of Guts is that he's a human that has even more bloodlust than demons. That's his "little bit of demon" imo. The armour seems more mary sue than anything. It's gotten him out of every tough fight ever since he got it and even though the plot says "omg so dangerous", you know loli-witch is going to bring him back and then he's just going to rest for a couple days. I don't think that he's going to just "rest for a couple days". I think that he's going to get the poo poo kicked out of him again. I think that he'll be bed ridden for the rest of the trip to elfland. What's mary sue?
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I could see this being a way to put Guts out of commission for the rest of the arc. Let the other guys take down an Elder God for once.
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rapeface posted:Do people actually like the berserker armour thing? One of the things I love best about Berserk is how "grounded" the fight panels are. You can almost feel how heavy Guts' sword weighs from the way he's drawn when he swings it (this is also one thing the Dreamcast game really managed to capture). The first time he used the Berserker armour it was pretty jawdropping to see him leaping around, but now it seems like he switches to using it so quickly. It doesn't help that he's just fighting a big amorphous blob again. If there were just "Guts vs Enemies", I'd say sure, he doesn't need the armor. He's a strong dude who is a badass, and his best trait is being capable of losing himself in the battle and taking out horrible monsters. But he is once again tasked with beating the monster while protecting his group. It's pretty much loving impossible doing his normal thing, since his entire style is "JUMP IN FACE AND STAB WITH GIGANTIC SWORD." So by using the Berserker Armor, he's able to JUMP IN AND STAB much faster/ harder and possibly kill the monster before it kills the people he's with!! Also, I think it's cool personally
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Plus it makes the whole "protecting his group" a lot more exciting, since he could turn on them at any time!
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rapeface posted:I'm was just talking about aesthetics. What does the realism of the armour have to do with anything? And the whole point of Guts is that he's a human that has even more bloodlust than demons. That's his "little bit of demon" imo. The armour seems more mary sue than anything. It's gotten him out of every tough fight ever since he got it and even though the plot says "omg so dangerous", you know loli-witch is going to bring him back and then he's just going to rest for a couple days. Look at pictures of Guts literally just before he starts using the suit. Before he was big and healthy looking (for the most part, protecting the fellowship took a lot out of him). Now hes got grey hair, looks like an old man almost how skinny he is, and absolutely covered in scars. In truth hes only really used the armor, 4 maybe 5 times? When he first got it he went full zerker against the giant dragon dude (pretty much dead after this one), on the beach against the army of crocodiles (in which he nearly turned around and killed his entire group of friends), and he went full zerker during the huge Kushan invasion and they were trying to get on the boat. I think that covers it right? Also I present evidence, the picture on the left is just before the fight where he gets the armor, the picture on the right is just after the fight. Cowboy fucked around with this message at 17:31 on Jul 26, 2010 |
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I like realistic fighting Guts, but I think the armor is ok. It has huge negative drawbacks, its dangerous for him to wear it and even be around his team, and its necessary because the stakes have grown so much. He needed the Skull Knight to escape the eclipse and a lot of lucky coincidences to escape prior encounters that would have killed him so its not like he hasn't had 'plot armor' before. Plus it was semi-necessary to get the witch lady to look into Guts thoughts and see what a hosed up dude he is. And I like it when Monsters are like, "haw haw we're monsters, suck it, humans!"  and then guts is all like  and then the monsters are all like 
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Lord_Pigeonbane posted:What's mary sue?
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Jul 26, 2010 19:23
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ok fine im the only one 
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Jul 27, 2010 04:53
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Yeah guts looks a whole lot more "sinewy" now that he uses the armor.
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rapeface posted:ok fine im the only one You're not the only one. Any time Guts leans on something magical it detracts from the motif of humanity against the supernatural, which is a lot "fresher" in terms of fantasy plots than "man harnesses supernatural to fight against evil, is optionally corrupted by it." I didn't want to argue about it, though, because in the long run what it means thematically is more important than whether it's a cliche or not. How awesome it looks doesn't hurt, either.
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Guts is at his limit and beyond, the only sleep he ever gets is at the point of exhaustion/coma. He has spent the last year(s) being on his own killing everything in his path and now he has to do a 180. Griffith is back, (in the body of his son/daughter no less) he is the leader of capable fighters, but not as capable as he is. Caska is still mentally handicapped and he has to deal with the emotional rollercoaster/protect her all the time. I will forgive the man for throwing on some plot armor every now and then.  Anyone else get really depressed looking at Guts sans armor?
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Hung Yuri posted:Yeah guts looks a whole lot more "sinewy" now that he uses the armor. More....skeletal, perhaps?!
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Doc Hawkins posted:More....skeletal, perhaps?! I could be very happy with a conclusion where Guts dies. I kinda expect it. I don't think that I would be quite so happy if the story continues with Guts undies.
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Lord_Pigeonbane posted:I could be very happy with a conclusion where Guts dies. I kinda expect it. I don't think that I would be quite so happy if the story continues with Guts undies. He turns in the next Skeleton dude that helped him out!
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Lord_Pigeonbane posted:I could be very happy with a conclusion where Guts dies. I kinda expect it. I don't think that I would be quite so happy if the story continues with Guts undies. Ok, you mean "undies" as in "Undeath", but I seriously thought for a second you were hoping the merchandising would never lead to Guts-patterned/theme underwear. Although, a pair of box shorts with guts printed on them would be pretty badass.
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LashLightning posted:Ok, you mean "undies" as in "Undeath", but I seriously thought for a second you were hoping the merchandising would never lead to Guts-patterned/theme underwear. Haha. I want berserker underwear that transform into the shape of my spirit animal's pelvis when I lose control of my rage!
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Hemish posted:He turns in the next Skeleton dude that helped him out! It's not so far fetched. Armor devours him whole as fuel for its AWESOME POWER!!! Just makes me wonder if it'll eat his soul or his body. Probably just his body if they take that route. And then cure it so he's only moderately more crippled at the end. 
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Lord_Pigeonbane posted:Haha. I want berserker underwear that transform into the shape of my spirit animal's pelvis when I lose control of my rage! When you lose your erection the underwear reinforces your penis by piercing it with shards of steel. 
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Because of this thread I got cracking the first ASoIaF book finally. 70/670 pages in and so far it was tame with lots and lots of internal feelings and thought processes. Like Dune actually. I was thinking this book wouldn't go anywhere as treacherous as Berserk until page 72 and the line "The things I do for love" appeared. What followed made me go  Now to wait for it to get rapetastic since this will be my main distraction while the current arc of Berserk takes its sweet time.
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