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That owns. As much as the original sentiment sucked, doing the right thing in retrospect is a sign of a very good person.
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Speaking of Mauritania and slaves, I have a great personal story about that. My sophomore year of college, my History of Iraq professor is talking about how when studying other cultures you have to sometimes get outside of your own cultural assumptions etc. This kid from Mauritania raises his hand, and says, "Many Americans don't respect how my uncle is a slaveowner. Sure he owns men, but they love him and would gladly die for him. Slavery isn't as one-sided and evil as Americans tend to think and it's a huge example of cultural chauvinism." The (Iraqi-American) professor literally glares at him and says, "Perhaps. That sounds pretty horrible to me. Okaaaay, moving on."
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Patter Song posted:This kid from Mauritania raises his hand, and says, "Many Americans don't respect how my uncle is a slaveowner. Sure he owns men, but they love him and would gladly die for him. Slavery isn't as one-sided and evil as Americans tend to think and it's a huge example of cultural chauvinism." Goddamn. I don't even know what I'd say if I heard someone try to justify loving slavery in a classroom.
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Jul 31, 2010 02:51
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Sometimes cross-cultural discussion leads to statements that are so straight-up incomprehensible they break my brain. They are totally outside of my scripts for normal response and appropriate behavior, and it always takes a second of mental static to figure out how to respond. I knew a Mexican student in college who told me once "I'm not racist and I don't want to sound like I am, but black people are just bad people." How did the rest of the class react to that kid?
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Jul 31, 2010 04:06
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Vonnegut Asterisk posted:Sorry to double post, but I just got this from my dad: It's sad, it's so sad that I immediately thought "naw that can't be real" 
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Notahippie posted:How did the rest of the class react to that kid? A range, varying between slack-jawed astonishment, skepticism, and horror. I was in the first camp.
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Jul 31, 2010 05:50
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There have been cultures that have used slavery and the slaves didn't have a raw rear end deal. The Benin, for example. Actually that is the only example I can think of.
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Jul 31, 2010 10:39
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Posted on the Ron Klein candidate facebook page. This was posted after he thanked his volunteers.quote:You are proud of a practice that should be outlawed, You may be proud of your volunteers, but everyone else thinks they are devilish pranksters that trouble people relaxing in the few hours of free time they have.
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Jul 31, 2010 13:52
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Mooseontheloose posted:Posted on the Ron Klein candidate facebook page. This was posted after he thanked his volunteers. Uu, is there some context here you left out or am I just an idiot? What is this all about?
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Jul 31, 2010 17:52
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Grem posted:There have been cultures that have used slavery and the slaves didn't have a raw rear end deal. The Benin, for example. Actually that is the only example I can think of. Most of the coast Indians as well. Aboriginal Slavery on the Northwest Coast is still one of the best sources on that topic. Interesting side note: The Quinault didn't release their last slave until 1919 or 1920. His name was Old Dan, and he became one of the most important tribal members during the Depression. There were rumors that he was the son of a Haida captured during a failed raid on Quinault territory - which is a good example of how the two tribes viewed slaves in entirely different ways. Funny thing, for all their brutality and skill at developing what can only be described as "blitzkrieg," the Haida never managed a successful raid on the Quinault on land.
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Choadmaster posted:Uu, is there some context here you left out or am I just an idiot? What is this all about? Yeah I'm sorry I dont get what "practice" this is.
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Jul 31, 2010 20:21
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Someone is mad about political calls, I guess.
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Haha "I was in a cultural openness discussion and then someone said something REALLY weird so we ended it." gently caress your professor for not challenging him to at least discuss the topic.
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Jul 31, 2010 22:30
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Choadmaster posted:Uu, is there some context here you left out or am I just an idiot? What is this all about? He is mad about people volunteering and making phone calls and knocking on doors.
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Jul 31, 2010 22:31
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shotgunbadger posted:Haha "I was in a cultural openness discussion and then someone said something REALLY weird so we ended it." gently caress your professor for not challenging him to at least discuss the topic. Please tell us your feelings on the benefits of slavery in terms of the slave's well being.
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RagnarokAngel posted:Please tell us your feelings on the benefits of slavery in terms of the slave's well being. Absolutely none I just like how the guy trying to actively encourage people to step outside of social comforts just kinda shut it all down when someone talked about an aspect of their society not respected (rightly so) by the outside world.
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shotgunbadger posted:Absolutely none I just like how the guy trying to actively encourage people to step outside of social comforts just kinda shut it all down when someone talked about an aspect of their society not respected (rightly so) by the outside world. He was probably trying to cut off a discussion that was going to go nowhere fast though. It'd be one guy defending this position and everyone else jumping over themselves to insult him and call him Hitler. Just a lot of wasted time.
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RagnarokAngel posted:He was probably trying to cut off a discussion that was going to go nowhere fast though. It'd be one guy defending this position and everyone else jumping over themselves to insult him and call him Hitler. Just a lot of wasted time. Yea but it would have been a good tool to show that cultural openmindedness means no you can't scream "YOU ARE LITERALLY NEW HITLER" at people who have customs that we see as barbaric and such. I mean yea, slavery, female circumcision, that kinda stuff is pretty clearly a 'woah that's hosed' thing but it's just bothersome how all the 'open cultural discussions' basically revolve around 'and in Peru they eat Guinna Pigs! Also here's some weird funerals!'
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shotgunbadger posted:Yea but it would have been a good tool to show that cultural openmindedness means no you can't scream "YOU ARE LITERALLY NEW HITLER" at people who have customs that we see as barbaric and such. I mean yea, slavery, female circumcision, that kinda stuff is pretty clearly a 'woah that's hosed' thing but it's just bothersome how all the 'open cultural discussions' basically revolve around 'and in Peru they eat Guinna Pigs! Also here's some weird funerals!' I don't know endorsing slavery on any level is pretty loving abhorrent. I get what you're trying to say, you want cultural openmindness in the classroom to go beyond just "look at these mildly weird things" and face some serious cultural constrast, and I can understand that. I still don't think it gives you the right to justify slavery or genocide because your culture says its ok. RagnarokAngel fucked around with this message at 09:31 on Aug 1, 2010 |
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Heh, my wife is taking an online ethics course at the Colorado Art Institute. She was the only one who thought that terrorism can be justified in certain cases, and whooooboy did that set off a poo poo storm, until the teacher agreed with her and everyone shut up.
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Grem posted:Heh, my wife is taking an online ethics course at the Colorado Art Institute. She was the only one who thought that terrorism can be justified in certain cases, and whooooboy did that set off a poo poo storm, until the teacher agreed with her and everyone shut up. RagnarokAngel posted:I don't know endorsing slavery on any level is pretty loving abhorrent. I get what you're trying to say, you want cultural openmindness in the classroom to go beyond just "look at these mildly weird things" and face some serious cultural constrast, and I can understand that.
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RagnarokAngel posted:I don't know endorsing slavery on any level is pretty loving abhorrent. I get what you're trying to say, you want cultural openmindness in the classroom to go beyond just "look at these mildly weird things" and face some serious cultural constrast, and I can understand that. Right, good thing I wasn't saying he should be allowed to own slaves over here or whatever! The guy sounded defensive of it so I can imagine it wouldn't have been some great cultural discussion and all, but just saying you don't have to agree with a culture to discuss it.
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shotgunbadger posted:Right, good thing I wasn't saying he should be allowed to own slaves over here or whatever! The guy sounded defensive of it so I can imagine it wouldn't have been some great cultural discussion and all, but just saying you don't have to agree with a culture to discuss it. No I know what you MEAN don't be so reactive. I even said it in the post you quoted, I'm just saying that trying to do so would probably just start a fight (verbal or physical) and would undermine the class more than it'd help.
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Furthermore the guy obviously has an emotional investment in the topic, meaning it would be him against everyone with no chance of reason. In addition, think about how often you actually get through entire syllabi in a college class. This would just slow down a class and keep it from reaching where the teacher wants it to go.
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Doomclown posted:Was it an online shitstorm or is there a classroom component as well? Just online, which was good so I could see it as well.
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DIVORCE AGREEMENT THIS IS SO INCREDIBLY WELL PUT AND I CAN HARDLY BELIEVE IT'S BY A YOUNG PERSON, A STUDENT!!! WHATEVER HE RUNS FOR, I'LL VOTE FOR HIM. Dear American liberals, leftists, social progressives, socialists, Marxists and Obama supporters, et al: We have stuck together since the late 1950's for the sake of the kids, but the whole of this latest election process has made me realize that I want a divorce. I know we tolerated each other for many years for the sake of future generations, but sadly, this relationship has clearly run its course. Our two ideological sides of America cannot and will not ever agree on what is right for us all, so let's just end it on friendly terms. We can smile and chalk it up to irreconcilable differences and go our own way. Here is a model separation agreement: Our two groups can equitably divide up the country by landmass each taking a similar portion. That will be the difficult part, but I am sure our two sides can come to a friendly agreement. After that, it should be relatively easy! Our respective representatives can effortlessly divide other assets since both sides have such distinct and disparate tastes. We don't like redistributive taxes so you can keep them. You are welcome to the liberal judges and the ACLU. Since you hate guns and war, we'll take our firearms, the cops, the NRA and the military. We'll take the nasty, smelly oil industry and you can go with wind, solar and biodiesel. You can keep Oprah, Michael Moore and Rosie O'Donnell. You are, however, responsible for finding a bio-diesel vehicle big enough to move all three of them. We'll keep capitalism, greedy corporations, pharmaceutical companies, Wal-Mart and Wall Street. You can have your beloved lifelong welfare dwellers, food stamps, homeless, homeboys, hippies, druggies and illegal aliens. We'll keep the hot Alaskan hockey moms, greedy CEO's and rednecks. We'll keep the Bibles and give you NBC and Hollywood. You can make nice with Iran and Palestine and we'll retain the right to invade and hammer places that threaten us. You can have the peaceniks and war protesters. When our allies or our way of life are under assault, we'll help provide them security. We'll keep our Judeo-Christian values. You are welcome to Islam, Scientology, Humanism, political correctness and Shirley McClain. You can also have the U.N. but we will no longer be paying the bill. We'll keep the SUV's, pickup trucks and oversized luxury cars. You can take every Subaru station wagon you can find. You can give everyone healthcare if you can find any practicing doctors. We'll continue to believe healthcare is a luxury and not a right. We'll keep "The Battle Hymn of the Republic" and "The National Anthem." I'm sure you'll be happy to substitute "Imagine", "I'd Like to Teach the World to Sing", "Kum Ba Ya" or "We Are the World".. We'll practice trickle down economics and you can continue to give trickle up poverty your best shot. Since it often so offends you, we'll keep our history, our name and our flag. Would you agree to this? If so, please pass it along to other like-minded liberal and conservative patriots and if you do not agree, just hit delete. In the spirit of friendly parting, I'll bet you answer which one of us will need whose help in 15 years. Sincerely, John J. Wall Law Student and an American P. S. Also, please take Ted Turner, Sean Penn, Martin Sheen, Barbra Streisand, & Jane Fonda with you. P. S. S. And you won't have to press 1 for English when you call our country. Forward This Every Time You Get It ! Let's Keep This Going, Maybe Some Of It Will Start Sinking In.
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crime fighting hog posted:DIVORCE AGREEMENT I don't see what's so inflammatory about this? I would love for this to happen!
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UltraPenguinX posted:I don't see what's so inflammatory about this? I would love for this to happen! Basically, I think they're proposing we let the south leave. Sounds good to me.
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I like how all these e-mails say "Here's this offensive, baseless, inaccurate e-mail that you probably won't like. IF you do like it SEND IT ON, but if you don't, DELETE IT because I don't want to have to leave my echo chamber and if you reply to me I might face that prospect. DEBATE IS FOR PUSSIES ARGHHHHHHHHH. oh p.s. Michael Moore is fat lol."
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Vonnegut Asterisk posted:My reply: I love your post, but I will argue that Malcom X and the NOI barely qualify as "Muslim". After his Hajj, I think you could say Malcolm X was Muslim. Though this gets into whether or not you describe a great movement like Islam or Christianity by its most radical sects. EDIT quote:
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Yeah, that sounds like a pretty good deal. 40 acres and a Subaru.
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Sure, they can keep the military. Since engineers and scientists tend to be more progressively-minded, and progressives favor education far more than conservatives, the progressive nation's military will continue to advance and become more effective while theirs stagnates and becomes obsolete. And they'll find out progressives don't hate war when it's necessary, they just hate fighting needless wars, especially when they're based on lies. And they'll exhaust their resources and have no replacements while the progressives will have plenty of energy to go around, perhaps they'll share. That's just a small portion of what's wrong with this email. Others have already pointed out numerous other flaws in emails like this. Stoic Madman fucked around with this message at 18:21 on Aug 2, 2010 |
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Stoic Madman posted:Sure, they can keep the military. Since engineers and scientists tend to be more progressively-minded, and progressives favor education far more than conservatives, the progressive nation's military will continue to advance and become more effective while theirs stagnates and becomes obsolete. And they'll find out progressives don't hate war when it's necessary, they just hate fighting needless wars, especially when they're based on lies. But when the progressives share, the others will pretend like the progressives were scared of their homesy know-how and fierce stupid military. So they'll think they won and made the progressives look like pussies. Like reagan's "TEAR DOWN THIS WALL" thing
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pillsburysoldier posted:But when the progressives share, the others will pretend like the progressives were scared of their homesy know-how and fierce stupid military. So they'll think they won and made the progressives look like pussies. Like reagan's "TEAR DOWN THIS WALL" thing Good point, we should change them ridiculously high rates then. They surely won't complain of this demonstration of the free market! Then, just to drive home the point we're not scared, let's drop a rock on Mississippi using a lunar mass-driver. Nobody should mourn. Stoic Madman fucked around with this message at 18:26 on Aug 2, 2010 |
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crime fighting hog posted:DIVORCE AGREEMENT
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Shirley MacLaine? John J. Wall must be the oldest law student in the country.
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I wonder who will fund that mighty military if there are no taxes in this conservative utopia?
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MOLLUSC posted:I wonder who will fund that mighty military if there are no taxes in this conservative utopia? War bonds.
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crime fighting hog posted:P. S. S. And you won't have to press 1 for English when you call our country.
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