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fronkpies
Apr 30, 2008

You slithered out of your mother's filth.

mr_package posted:

I'm probably about to embarrass myself by asking but what are blinkies referring to in this case?

The warning on your lcd for blown highlights.

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365 Nog Hogger
Jan 19, 2008

by Shine
Image preview mode where blown out areas blink black and white on the display window.

Gazmachine
May 22, 2005

Happy Happy Breakdance Challenge 4

Fragrag posted:

I've got a shoot tomorrow with a model who's missing a leg. Any tips on posing her without drawing too much attention to that fact?

Might be too late for this, but have you spoken to her about her leg / about what she wants from the shoot in general? Is she with you on wanting to hide the fact?


Anyway, I've avoided posting in one of these threads up to now, because I'm a huge coward. Please proceed to tear apart my fragile, fragile ego.

HPL
Aug 28, 2002

Worst case scenario.

Gazmachine posted:

Anyway, I've avoided posting in one of these threads up to now, because I'm a huge coward. Please proceed to tear apart my fragile, fragile ego.

It's neat but it looks underexposed. Up the top end until the chalk is a nice bright white instead of dull gray.

AtomicManiac
Dec 29, 2006

I've never been a one trick pony. I like to have a competency in everything. I've been to business school.

Gazmachine posted:

Might be too late for this, but have you spoken to her about her leg / about what she wants from the shoot in general? Is she with you on wanting to hide the fact?


Anyway, I've avoided posting in one of these threads up to now, because I'm a huge coward. Please proceed to tear apart my fragile, fragile ego.



If you have the means to, adding in a hair light would be good, even if it's just a hot-light on an over-head lamp. The guys on the F-Stoppers(?) blog showed this in their "Only using an Iphone to shoot" video. Actually, that whole video has a good deal of good info on lighting.

Gazmachine
May 22, 2005

Happy Happy Breakdance Challenge 4
Thanks chaps, you know I didn't even spot the exposure issue. Thanks for the blog recommendation, too :)

evil_bunnY
Apr 2, 2003

Gazmachine posted:


Give it another half stop, and pay attention to her posture.

Gazmachine
May 22, 2005

Happy Happy Breakdance Challenge 4
Right, I'm thinking she could've been slightly more upright, right? She does look a little hunched. After getting crap all over her nice new gear, I think she might have killed me for a "stand up straight" request :)

XTimmy
Nov 28, 2007
I am Jacks self hatred

Gazmachine posted:

Might be too late for this, but have you spoken to her about her leg / about what she wants from the shoot in general? Is she with you on wanting to hide the fact?


Anyway, I've avoided posting in one of these threads up to now, because I'm a huge coward. Please proceed to tear apart my fragile, fragile ego.



Adding to the other critiques, watch focus points for eyes, I think, though I may be wrong, that she's not focusing on something close enough so her eyes are kind of bugging out. You've captured the intensity of the subject quite well though,

mr_package
Jun 13, 2000

XTimmy posted:

Adding to the other critiques, watch focus points for eyes, I think, though I may be wrong, that she's not focusing on something close enough so her eyes are kind of bugging out. You've captured the intensity of the subject quite well though,

I'd like to see her in more natural space. Gymnasium, balance beam, etc. It doesn't have to stand out, doesn't have to be brightly lit, but she's so out of place adrift in black space, I just can't quite get into it. It's a great moment I just think it needs more context somehow.

Cyberbob
Mar 29, 2006
Prepare for doom. doom. doooooom. doooooom.
Alright, a few B&W's.

I have my own favourites, but my point of view is well known for not being that of my audiences.
i.e. - I can't tell if they're good or not :(
Sometimes I get next to zero comments on some of my personal favs, yet sometimes it's the last minute additions to Flickr uploads that get the most feedback of all.





Paragon8
Feb 19, 2007



yay, testing. I think I can really use this model.

McMadCow
Jan 19, 2005

With our rifles and grenades and some help from God.

Paragon8 posted:



yay, testing. I think I can really use this model.

She has some really deeply inset eyes. You could really benefit from hitting her with a reflector. I would slso have gotten rid of her hair thing, it's getting lost in the shadow behind her. It also looks like the clasp on her necklace is down one side.

Oh man, I've been assisting too much lately... :(

torgeaux
Dec 31, 2004
I serve...

Paragon8 posted:



yay, testing. I think I can really use this model.

She's lovely, and photogenic. I like the lighting, but the posing is really awkward.

Paragon8
Feb 19, 2007

McMadCow posted:

She has some really deeply inset eyes. You could really benefit from hitting her with a reflector. I would slso have gotten rid of her hair thing, it's getting lost in the shadow behind her. It also looks like the clasp on her necklace is down one side.

Oh man, I've been assisting too much lately... :(

Yeah, it was just a super quick test as her profile on MM was pretty terrible and I wanted to shoot her in person before I arranged a proper shoot. So yeah, outfit/styling is all her. I should have noted the hairclip but blah, just a quick tester shoot.

The posing is intentionally so, I didn't want her to look too comfortable. More imperial and distant.

Gazmachine
May 22, 2005

Happy Happy Breakdance Challenge 4
Just chiming in to thank all for the tips again. The giving her something near to focus on is something I hadn't thought of before, actually. Basics! I think I probably need to try a few more background - centric portraits. I tend to totally avoid backgrounds - a style I've developed over time, but, as we all know, it's dangerous to get comfortable with one style or approach. Thanks again.

fronkpies
Apr 30, 2008

You slithered out of your mother's filth.

Paragon8 posted:

Yeah, it was just a super quick test as her profile on MM was pretty terrible and I wanted to shoot her in person before I arranged a proper shoot. So yeah, outfit/styling is all her. I should have noted the hairclip but blah, just a quick tester shoot.

The posing is intentionally so, I didn't want her to look too comfortable. More imperial and distant.

I know your in the UK, so how has your experience with MM been?

Fine for a test, cant wait to see some more stuff with her.

Hop Pocket
Sep 23, 2003





One I shot recently, cross-posted from SAD. I feel like the facial expression is spot on. I don't know how I feel about the hair shadow on the dark side of her face and it almost looks like she's too hunched forward.

It had been a while since I had used my flashes and modifiers. After farting around with manual mode for a while I said screw it and dialed in some ratios with ETTL. Easy livin'

evil_bunnY
Apr 2, 2003

Hop Pocket posted:

Easy livin'
Hahaha. I've done the same a couple of times, and it really takes about a minutes to dial everything the way you want (I use CLS, but wahtevs).

Gazmachine
May 22, 2005

Happy Happy Breakdance Challenge 4

fronkpies posted:

I know your in the UK, so how has your experience with MM been?

Fine for a test, cant wait to see some more stuff with her.


I've got myself a little setup over there, but I have been attempting to charge a small fee for a session, the idea being to top up my funds to save for nicer kit etc when quiet periods come along. I've had basically nothing. One girl and two blokes who were keen to go ahead initially but it never transpired.

I don't have the time nor the inclination to shoot models for free. I'm not saying that in an arrogant way, it's just that I don't have an office job, I do this full time, so it doesn't really make financial sense for me to do free stuff anymore - I have plenty of material in my portfolio for potential customers to go off. I dunno, maybe I'm making a mistake?

It probably doesn't help that I hold no personal interest in shooting models. The whole scene turns me off creatively.

In MM's defence, my friend who now lives in the US used MM a lot (TFP shoots) and he got a decent amount of work from it to significantly bulk his portfolio up. It's all practice, too, so it certainly doesn't hurt to indulge. He gave me the advice of not discussing shoot ideas until the day of the shoot, because he said that many models will grab a bunch of ideas from photographers and then just use them with someone else.

It's a bit of a minefield with little gems to be found here and there. I picked up a couple of nice little pp tips in the forums, but be aware that these tips are hidden in a sea of shite.

Anyway, crossposting this from the PAD thread:




Gazmachine fucked around with this message at 14:33 on Aug 11, 2010

Paragon8
Feb 19, 2007

fronkpies posted:

I know your in the UK, so how has your experience with MM been?

Fine for a test, cant wait to see some more stuff with her.

Model Mayhem is terrible but it's the best option of the terrible sites. I'd love to get more into shooting tests for agencies but I'm not quite there yet - I have assisted on a few though, and it's really different.

I put up a casting call about a week ago - got about 15 responses to it. I have two makeup artists willing to work with me based on that. Of the 10 or so suitable models that responded to my very specific and detailed casting call, hardly any messaged back after their initial message. With models my best success has come with just searching through recently active profiles and messaging those who have fairly weak portfolios but I think have potential.

You have to burn a lot of calories getting anything together but I feel once I've actually met up with the model I'll have a much better chance of shooting her again which is why I'm liking this method of doing tests as an introduction before I go to the trouble of setting up makeup and studio time.

I've had some pretty ridiculous flakes - like one model with an amazing port emailed me about a last minute shoot the next day if I got a MUA. Nobody of course was available so the model said okay how about in two days - I found a MUA etc. and texted her back - No reply.

It's ultimately a numbers game and you just have to be persistant and message a lot of people.

AtomicManiac
Dec 29, 2006

I've never been a one trick pony. I like to have a competency in everything. I've been to business school.

Dasha by Ben Semisch, on Flickr


Dasha by Ben Semisch, on Flickr

Am I getting better at this whole photography thing?


Paragon8 posted:

Model Mayhem is terrible but it's the best option of the terrible sites. I'd love to get more into shooting tests for agencies but I'm not quite there yet - I have assisted on a few though, and it's really different.

I put up a casting call about a week ago - got about 15 responses to it. I have two makeup artists willing to work with me based on that. Of the 10 or so suitable models that responded to my very specific and detailed casting call, hardly any messaged back after their initial message. With models my best success has come with just searching through recently active profiles and messaging those who have fairly weak portfolios but I think have potential.

You have to burn a lot of calories getting anything together but I feel once I've actually met up with the model I'll have a much better chance of shooting her again which is why I'm liking this method of doing tests as an introduction before I go to the trouble of setting up makeup and studio time.

I've had some pretty ridiculous flakes - like one model with an amazing port emailed me about a last minute shoot the next day if I got a MUA. Nobody of course was available so the model said okay how about in two days - I found a MUA etc. and texted her back - No reply.

It's ultimately a numbers game and you just have to be persistant and message a lot of people.

I'm having way better luck just asking cute friends. Once you get a few semi-competent shots to show, most girls jump at the chance, and it's not like most of the Models on MM are super experienced and you're missing out on anything amazing. Also, cute girls usually have cute friends, and before you know it you'll have people you don't know wanting to be your friend on facebook, which is girl code for "Please ask me to be a model".

AtomicManiac fucked around with this message at 11:04 on Aug 11, 2010

Paragon8
Feb 19, 2007

AtomicManiac posted:

I'm having way better luck just asking cute friends. Once you get a few semi-competent shots to show, most girls jump at the chance, and it's not like most of the Models on MM are super experienced and you're missing out on anything amazing. Also, cute girls usually have cute friends, and before you know it you'll have people you don't know wanting to be your friend on facebook, which is girl code for "Please ask me to be a model".

That's all well and good except when you have to deal with insecure jealous boyfriends.

AtomicManiac
Dec 29, 2006

I've never been a one trick pony. I like to have a competency in everything. I've been to business school.

Paragon8 posted:

That's all well and good except when you have to deal with insecure jealous boyfriends.

The key is to invite the boyfriend along, and all of a sudden you've got someone to hold the reflector/light stand. Another good trick is to involve the boyfriend in the shoot, just kind of play dumb and let him suggest a few poses, then work off that. There's been more than one time where the "escort" has suggested a shot that ended up being one of my favorites from a shoot.

Paragon8
Feb 19, 2007

AtomicManiac posted:

The key is to invite the boyfriend along, and all of a sudden you've got someone to hold the reflector/light stand. Another good trick is to involve the boyfriend in the shoot, just kind of play dumb and let him suggest a few poses, then work off that. There's been more than one time where the "escort" has suggested a shot that ended up being one of my favorites from a shoot.

haha, that would be fine if my female friends didn't exclusively date hilariously insecure guys who are threatened by me.

It's sort of ironic because I have a really professional mindset when I work with female models, so me shooting someone's girlfriend is basically the closest to a guarantee that I won't try to sleep with her.

Gazmachine
May 22, 2005

Happy Happy Breakdance Challenge 4

AtomicManiac posted:




Dasha by Ben Semisch, on Flickr

Am I getting better at this whole photography thing?

It's a tiny thing, but I reckon you should clone out the pylon to her left. That band of cloud makes for an interesting background but yeah....lose the pylon.

squidflakes
Aug 27, 2009


SHORTBUS
This past Sunday I had 11 models from MM flake. 10 of them with the same excuse "Sorry, I stayed up too late partying. Can we reschedule?"

McMadCow
Jan 19, 2005

With our rifles and grenades and some help from God.
^^^You booked 11 models to 1 shoot...?


AtomicManiac posted:

The key is to invite the boyfriend along...

Ugh, NO!
My personal policy is no escorts with any interest in how the shots turn out. Ie, no one related to or in a relationship with the model. I haven't had too many bad experiences, but the model just closes off too much when there's someone there who they're too close to.

Really though, there's no reason at all to allow escorts. I begrudgingly allow it because you make concessions for a trade shoot. It would never happen professionally though. If a model thinks they need an escort, they shouldn't be taking on the job.

squidflakes
Aug 27, 2009


SHORTBUS

McMadCow posted:

^^^You booked 11 models to 1 shoot...?

Yep. Its for a calendar and we've still got 6 months to fill, plus we want alternates and some group shots. I did the booking with the assumption of a 50% flake rate. I wasn't expecting 100%.

jackpot
Aug 31, 2004

First cousin to the Black Rabbit himself. Such was Woundwort's monument...and perhaps it would not have displeased him.<

Paragon8 posted:



yay, testing. I think I can really use this model.
I want to know if she looked at this and said "You made me look pregnant." :) Because honestly, I look at that and I can't un-see it; the transparency and the way the shirt hangs, it just looks like she's got a bump.

TsarAleksi
Nov 24, 2004

What?

AtomicManiac posted:


Dasha by Ben Semisch, on Flickr


Dasha by Ben Semisch, on Flickr

Am I getting better at this whole photography thing?


You're not blending the lighting with the natural light well. It looks very unnatural to have an obviously outdoors shoot where there is that much pure black in the frame.

AtomicManiac
Dec 29, 2006

I've never been a one trick pony. I like to have a competency in everything. I've been to business school.

TsarAleksi posted:

You're not blending the lighting with the natural light well. It looks very unnatural to have an obviously outdoors shoot where there is that much pure black in the frame.

For some strange reason my local camera store doesn't sell gels for lights. I was rather upset at that discovery.

TsarAleksi
Nov 24, 2004

What?

AtomicManiac posted:

For some strange reason my local camera store doesn't sell gels for lights. I was rather upset at that discovery.

This hasn't got anything to do with gels.

Paragon8
Feb 19, 2007

jackpot posted:

I want to know if she looked at this and said "You made me look pregnant." :) Because honestly, I look at that and I can't un-see it; the transparency and the way the shirt hangs, it just looks like she's got a bump.

What are you trying to achieve with this comment? Are you trying to a dick because you could have phrased that much more constructively or just attacked the inexplicable trend of empire waisted tops instead of my photography.

torgeaux
Dec 31, 2004
I serve...

Paragon8 posted:

What are you trying to achieve with this comment? Are you trying to a dick because you could have phrased that much more constructively or just attacked the inexplicable trend of empire waisted tops instead of my photography.

Take poster history into account, you'll find it was an inartful critique, not deliberate dickishness.

And, I loving hate those tops. No one, no one in the whole world, looks good in them.

Paragon8
Feb 19, 2007

torgeaux posted:

Take poster history into account, you'll find it was an inartful critique, not deliberate dickishness.

And, I loving hate those tops. No one, no one in the whole world, looks good in them.

I've met one girl who looks good in an empire waisted top, they're so ridiculous.

Anyway, might as well throw in a picture!


Tests! by Steve takes pictures, on Flickr

TheLastManStanding
Jan 14, 2008
Mash Buttons!

TsarAleksi posted:

You're not blending the lighting with the natural light well. It looks very unnatural to have an obviously outdoors shoot where there is that much pure black in the frame.
Depends on the look he was going for. A strangely well lit subject against a dark background after sunset is pretty common for editorial style shots. I think it's goofy, but that's just me.

The first photo if fine, but a little underexposed. The second one could have used a reflector to lighten up her face and a better pose. It looks like she's holding her head like the headless horseman and there is an arm randomly thrown in.

AtomicManiac
Dec 29, 2006

I've never been a one trick pony. I like to have a competency in everything. I've been to business school.

TsarAleksi posted:

This hasn't got anything to do with gels.

Hmm, how can I make it better without gels? According to the Lighting DVDs I've been watching (The Strobist One and The One Light Workshop) I did everything by the book, save for adding in some gels and a kicker(?) light to make her "pop" (which I need to find an online supplier). Any advice?

TsarAleksi
Nov 24, 2004

What?

AtomicManiac posted:

Hmm, how can I make it better without gels? According to the Lighting DVDs I've been watching (The Strobist One and The One Light Workshop) I did everything by the book, save for adding in some gels and a kicker(?) light to make her "pop" (which I need to find an online supplier). Any advice?

Yeah, you need to balance your exposure, not the colors. It looks really odd to have half the bench brightly lit and the other disappear into inky darkness. Truly, all of the shadows are really harsh, which is unflattering for the model on top of looking odd.

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AtomicManiac
Dec 29, 2006

I've never been a one trick pony. I like to have a competency in everything. I've been to business school.
How can I fix that? Reposition the light back further to give a more even spread?

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