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How is having 3 half hour interviews in about 5 hours?
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Aug 9, 2010 21:24
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Soothing Vapors posted:seriously? Cooley sounds like a loving concentration camp That's the worst part about Cooley, it'd be one thing if it was just a diploma-mill that passed everybody but for what I hear it's actually very demanding AND strict AND no one at all will ever give a poo poo that you went there.
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Aug 9, 2010 23:00
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Tetrix posted:How is having 3 half hour interviews in about 5 hours? It's not bad, but if you need to travel it can start to suck depending on locations and weather. I got caught in a torrential downpour walking to my last interview today. On a related note, my prosecution interview today went hilariously bad - I pretty much blanked and rambled for every [substantive] question. Absolutely tragic performance; I'm sure they were laughing as soon as I left.
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Aug 9, 2010 23:02
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By the way, if law school doesn't kill all the relationships in your life, your first job will.
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Aug 10, 2010 02:35
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TheMadMilkman posted:By the way, if law school doesn't kill all the relationships in your life, your first job will.
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Aug 10, 2010 02:48
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I just got a nice polite rejection letter from a firm where my Mom is one of the main clients. What is this world coming to when I can't even rely on good old fashioned nepotism.
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Aug 10, 2010 04:43
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JudicialRestraints posted:I just got a nice polite rejection letter from a firm where my Mom is one of the main clients. Now, if the firm's hiring partner had been one of your Mom's main clients, you would have been in a better position.
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Aug 10, 2010 05:00
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entris posted:Honor code violation? Are you sure about that? For the few professors who did track preparation, the penalty was grade-related, not honor code-related. Yes. It was an honor code violation. Also, our grades never had our names attached to them. We were given a randomly assigned exam number for each term, so our grades were anonymous. Soothing Vapors posted:seriously? Cooley sounds like a loving concentration camp That's not at all a fair comparison. Our attrition rates are much higher.
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Aug 10, 2010 05:41
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Has anyone used the Examples and Explanations series of texts as supplementary reading? Will it matter if I save like 30 bucks and buy an old edition?
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Aug 10, 2010 07:18
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save yourself $30 and just read them at the library
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Aug 10, 2010 07:23
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So I'm having an informal chat with a summer associate at a firm I'm bidding on for OCI, and out of nowhere he says, "You post on Something Awful, right?" Now how's that for an interview question (also: bidding on multiple offices of the same firm: opinions?)
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Aug 10, 2010 07:47
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TheSqueeze posted:Has anyone used the Examples and Explanations series of texts as supplementary reading? and i can't imagine old editions would hurt you, unless you also skip the day in class where you hear about all the hottest new developments in the wild world of twombly/iqbal or whatever.
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Aug 10, 2010 08:41
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Alaemon posted:Yes. It was an honor code violation. Also, our grades never had our names attached to them. We were given a randomly assigned exam number for each term, so our grades were anonymous. Were your exam numbers tattooed on your forearms?
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Aug 10, 2010 10:59
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Alaemon posted:Yes. It was an honor code violation. No offense to you, but I guess the people who run Cooley are morons. I just can't understand that lack of preparation qualifies as an honor violation. Anyway, to the goons who recommended Chrometa for time-tracking purposes back in the last thread: thank you,  Just bought my license today after my 30 day trial, and I love the poo poo out of this little program.
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Aug 10, 2010 13:44
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Red Bean Juice posted:So I'm having an informal chat with a summer associate at a firm I'm bidding on for OCI, and out of nowhere he says, "You post on Something Awful, right?" Your answer was, of course, to deny deny deny, right?
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Aug 10, 2010 14:11
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Holland Oats posted:Were your exam numbers tattooed on your forearms? Bar code, right next to the Mark of the Beast. entris posted:No offense to you, but I guess the people who run Cooley are morons. I just can't understand that lack of preparation qualifies as an honor violation. Yeah, everything that people say about Cooley in this thread and then "the administrators are morons." THAT's what's gonna offend me.  The theory is that you have an opportunity to be unprepared for class, by submitting a note, or by taking one of your two absences. By doing neither, by showing up to class, you are indicating that you are prepared and ready to discuss the assigned material. It's not that you have to come to class knowing all the answers. You just have to have made a good faith effort to read the material such that you can be called on and answer questions about it. You can be wrong, of course, that's why we have law school, but you have to at least be able to give it a shot. I'm not really venturing an opinion on the policy either way. It is what it is, and I got through it and it doesn't impact my daily life any more. It's just an interesting difference in the way schools handle these things. The preparedness policy always struck me as less draconian than the attendance policy, given my history of wild and uncontrolled migraines.
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Aug 10, 2010 14:21
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What about the core casebooks... does the 11th edition of this piece of poo poo really contain $100 more of The Law then the 10th? I hate the textbook racket so much.
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Aug 10, 2010 15:48
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from overheard in new york yesterdayquote:Judge, at conclusion of trial: Well, I must say I was very impressed with the quality of the attorneys for both sides. It's extremely unusual and refreshing to see attorneys acting like lawyers.
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Aug 10, 2010 15:57
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Mr. Fictitious posted:i bought used copies for all of my first term classes in a fit of 1L anxiety. the civpro one was fairly useful, but the torts and contracts ones i probably cracked open once apiece. i might be in the minority on this, but in retrospect i'd recommend not wasting your money on any supplements, unless a chorus of students who've had your particular professor sing out in favor of a particular book. otherwise just roll with past outlines and your arcane ability to Think Like A Lawyer. I'm echoing everything here. Supplements are a security blanket for a lot of people and they go buy buy buy when everything you need should already be in the library. One helpful thing for me wasn't stuff like E&E but it was canned briefs - it helped to read those in case I knew I was going to get called on. These should also be in the library. Our DropBox and Waves were about a billion times better than anything commercial IMO. quote:What about the core casebooks... does the 11th edition of this piece of poo poo really contain $100 more of The Law then the 10th? Normally I'd say no but I had a couple profs who did use material in the newest edition enough times to where not having that new edition was kind of a bother. Hit up your upperclassman for some advice here. P.S. Decided on Berkeley for the transfer voyage, I live with 9 Cal undergrads, there are mad indian buffets here, I have a big boy university gym now and I have Starcraft 2. Life is good? sigmachiev fucked around with this message at 18:43 on Aug 10, 2010 |
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Aug 10, 2010 18:36
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During interviews, when they ask if you have any questions, do you think that I should mention things on their firm profile? Is this too gauche? Also, if you have any interview tips in general, I would love to hear them.
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Aug 10, 2010 18:51
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billion dollar bitch posted:During interviews, when they ask if you have any questions, do you think that I should mention things on their firm profile? Is this too gauche? Also, if you have any interview tips in general, I would love to hear them. This is specific advice for you and it may be way too basic but youre p funny. Don't be afraid to show a little bit of your personality. One thing most firms look for in candidates is "a dude i would not hate to spend 30 billable hours with over the course of a weekend." You can be that dude so show them that.
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Aug 10, 2010 19:06
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billion dollar bitch posted:During interviews, when they ask if you have any questions, do you think that I should mention things on their firm profile? Is this too gauche? Also, if you have any interview tips in general, I would love to hear them. If there's anything about the firm that interests you, of course you should ask about it, no matter where you found it. You want them to know that you're genuinely interested not only in the position, but in the firm and what they do. Even if it's asking whether they have a softball team if that's what you're into. During interviews, I'll usually turn the questions they asked back around on them. Are you doing what you expected you would be doing five years ago? What are the best and worst parts about the work you're doing? If a friend's son or daughter were looking for a job as a lawyer, would you recommend this firm, and why or why not? Most importantly, ask them if there's anything that they would like to know more about or any questions that they have about you that haven't been answered during the interview.
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Aug 10, 2010 19:07
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billion dollar bitch posted:During interviews, when they ask if you have any questions, do you think that I should mention things on their firm profile? Is this too gauche? Also, if you have any interview tips in general, I would love to hear them. It's pretty tough to ask a terrible question. I find that it's probably easiest to get an interviewer talking about him/herself, so maybe ask him why he selected the firm, if the firm matched his expectations, what sort of projects he typically works on, etc. e: I would just avoid asking questions that make you seem like a lazy gently caress - i.e., don't ask about vacation, or sick days, or part time (unless you're a chick with kids or something), or whether you can get away with leaving at 5:30 every day, or work-life balance (if you're interviewing with a top firm). gvibes fucked around with this message at 19:30 on Aug 10, 2010 |
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Aug 10, 2010 19:25
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billion dollar bitch posted:During interviews, when they ask if you have any questions, do you think that I should mention things on their firm profile? Is this too gauche? Also, if you have any interview tips in general, I would love to hear them. I did this and didn't get a callback. Then again, I go to state school.
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Aug 10, 2010 22:54
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JudicialRestraints posted:I did this and didn't get a callback. Then again, I go to state school. A firm I interviewed with had a very influential politician at their firm die about 6 months before the interview. He was almost a legend in Texas politics and he was supposed to be a real character. "I know this is an odd question...but what was Fred like?" "Fred was an rear end in a top hat and we were suing each other when he died." Did not get a callback.
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Aug 11, 2010 02:20
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TheMadMilkman posted:By the way, if law school doesn't kill all the relationships in your life, your first job will. Bingo. Made it through law school and the bar exam unscathed. Wife left three months into first lawyer-job. 9 years down the drain in three months. Rock on.
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Aug 11, 2010 02:25
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mrtoodles posted:Bingo. Made it through law school and the bar exam unscathed. Wife left three months into first lawyer-job. 9 years down the drain in three months. Rock on. Was your job at some lovely biglaw firm? Also, got through all the benefits and healthcare stuff today; it is absolutely god like and incredibly cheap. Definitely a ward against any marital turbulence brought on by legal work.
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Aug 11, 2010 02:32
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CaptainScraps posted:A firm I interviewed with had a very influential politician at their firm die about 6 months before the interview. He was almost a legend in Texas politics and he was supposed to be a real character. Barron & Budd?
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Aug 11, 2010 02:34
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TheMadMilkman posted:By the way, if law school doesn't kill all the relationships in your life, your first job will. If my husband doesn't find a job it will kill our relationship anyways. He's falling back on his previous experience as a tech support guy now. Here's to hoping for $15/hour.
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Aug 11, 2010 02:35
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Lykourgos posted:Was your job at some lovely biglaw firm? Hey man, sucks to hear about that. The good news for me is I had no personal life to kill.
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Aug 11, 2010 03:11
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nm posted:He works for a PD's office.  I thought you lot were as happy as we are? At least almost, anyway.
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Aug 11, 2010 03:16
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Lykourgos posted:
His office however is epically understaffed. So is the DA's office. I think the case loads are really high there. Being a prosecutor is easier than being a PD though. I've done both.
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Aug 11, 2010 03:17
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nm posted:We should be. Oh, that's terrible; by all rights he should have been walking into the a glorious and noble office, surpassed only by the DA and judiciary. It's not like he walked into shitlaw, where you expect to be ruined.
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Aug 11, 2010 03:20
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IrritationX posted:During interviews, I'll usually turn the questions they asked back around on them. Are you doing what you expected you would be doing five years ago? What are the best and worst parts about the work you're doing? If a friend's son or daughter were looking for a job as a lawyer, would you recommend this firm, and why or why not? Most importantly, ask them if there's anything that they would like to know more about or any questions that they have about you that haven't been answered during the interview.
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Aug 11, 2010 03:46
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Lykourgos posted:Was your job at some lovely biglaw firm? Can't tell if this is supposed to be about Viagra.
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Aug 11, 2010 05:19
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Roger_Mudd posted:Barron & Budd? You know it.
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TheMadMilkman posted:By the way, if law school doesn't kill all the relationships in your life, your first job will. Lykourgos posted:Was your job at some lovely nm posted:[Working] for a PD's office. Church lady to my 13 year old son: So, do you want to be a lawyer like your dad? Son: No. Lady: Oh, why not? Son: Because I want to be able to actually see my family. Fortuitously, I was able to get off the trial docket (60 hours) I'd been on for 5 years and moved to appeals (45 hours, raise, weekends free). (But man, I miss the adrenaline) nm posted:Being a prosecutor is easier than being a PD though. I've done both. The actual work isn't very different, but the moral quandries and psychological toll that being a DA took made/makes me want never to be a DA again. VVVVVV I'm willfully innocent, so PD work suits me. joat mon fucked around with this message at 17:04 on Aug 11, 2010 |
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Aug 11, 2010 13:42
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joat mon posted:I've done both, too. Being a PD is so much easier. joat mon posted:That one was only killing me, though toward the end, my unhappiness was getting infectious. Smalllaw, except maybe some boutiques, seem to be scrabling for work and in a downturn, cuts must be made. Biglaw is dehumanizing. Easier to overwork or fire someone you've never met. Midlaw (properly run) has enough strength and range of practice to weather the storm, but you're still Pete who's wife just had her second baby down the hall. The midlaw firm (a larger midlaw, like 150 lawyers) I worked for (though this was non-legal work, I was support staff), was excellent to their employees as far as I could tell. I think the majority worked an 8-5 most days and they got actual vacations. (Including 3 months paid every few years) But if you hate civil law (which is logical), it is a moot point. If you like civil law, work for a city/county attorney's office or try to go inhouse. nm fucked around with this message at 16:42 on Aug 11, 2010 |
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Aug 11, 2010 16:36
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I have been wondering about this for a while now. Do all lawyers and barristers start off young, or are there succesful ones who have began studying as an adult learner (say, 25-30ish). Is there something stopping them? are they discriminated when it comes to being an underling in some law firm? This is more a UK specific question.
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Co-sine posted:I have been wondering about this for a while now. Do all lawyers and barristers start off young, or are there succesful ones who have began studying as an adult learner (say, 25-30ish). Is there something stopping them? are they discriminated when it comes to being an underling in some law firm? This is more a UK specific question. I the UK, it would likely be different as that is an undergrad degree there.
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