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Mr. Carlisle posted:I figured it was just another case of "gently caress it, no one is going to sue us because we're basically an indy fed" where they just played the music and didn't ask permission or pay for it. That is what people assume for the early days, but as time went on he had to get legit since ECW just got too big. But Heyman had some ridiculous contacts for a guy filming promos in his mother's basement. Lance Storm played hardball with him before Barely Legal to get a visa. Heyman had him lying when he came into the country and Lance was sick of it and told him to get him a visa. So Heyman puts it off and puts it off, and then a week before the event Lance talks to his lawyer and is told the paperwork just started... and then two days later it goes through. The lawyer tells him he's NEVER seen a visa go through that quick and that Heyman must really know some people.
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MassRayPer posted:But Heyman had some ridiculous contacts for a guy filming promos in his mother's basement. Lance Storm played hardball with him before Barely Legal to get a visa. Heyman had him lying when he came into the country and Lance was sick of it and told him to get him a visa. So Heyman puts it off and puts it off, and then a week before the event Lance talks to his lawyer and is told the paperwork just started... and then two days later it goes through. The lawyer tells him he's NEVER seen a visa go through that quick and that Heyman must really know some people. To clarify this, Lance Storm didn't play hardball. He had been getting on Heyman to get his visa done fir a while with no result. After a while he's finally caught at customs (I think by a wrestling fan) and warned that if he comes in again without a visa he'll be denied entry into the US indefinitely. Lance calls Heyman, tells him what happened and he's rightfully unwilling to risk his ability to work in the US, and tells Heyman he's done without a visa. Whether or not he was sick of it he couldn't lie anymore.
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Aug 16, 2010 19:26
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MassRayPer posted:That is what people assume for the early days, but as time went on he had to get legit since ECW just got too big. No wonder people put so much faith in Heyman after he continuously conned them. The guy could get poo poo done when it counted.
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Aug 16, 2010 19:46
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Mr. Carlisle posted:No wonder people put so much faith in Heyman after he continuously conned them. The guy could get poo poo done when it counted. Well that and for many of the wrestlers he was their last best chance to be on TV and make something of their wrestling careers.
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Aug 16, 2010 19:49
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Mr. Carlisle posted:No wonder people put so much faith in Heyman after he continuously conned them. The guy could get poo poo done when it counted. Which makes his symphony of terrible business decisions in ECW all the more frustrating - if he hadn't spread himself so thin, it probably would have lasted longer.
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Which WWE shows are broadcast in surround sound? Last night was my first time personally ordering a PPV, and it was in stereo as far as I could tell. Meanwhile I could swear I've heard some rear-channel stuff on other shows before. Or are my ears just playing tricks on me?
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There was one Botchamania, I saw it just the other day, where Maffew's recapping a TNA PPV and Consequences Creed takes a bump outside and just goes "OHHHH MY GOD" and it's the funniest goddamn thing, and I'm trying to remember which Botchamania it was. Can anyone help me? 
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Minidust posted:Which WWE shows are broadcast in surround sound? Last night was my first time personally ordering a PPV, and it was in stereo as far as I could tell. Meanwhile I could swear I've heard some rear-channel stuff on other shows before. Or are my ears just playing tricks on me? The rear channel should just be the Smackdown! "Aaaaaaaaahhhh!" cheer over and over.
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SamuraiFoochs posted:There was one Botchamania, I saw it just the other day, where Maffew's recapping a TNA PPV and Consequences Creed takes a bump outside and just goes "OHHHH MY GOD" and it's the funniest goddamn thing, and I'm trying to remember which Botchamania it was. Can anyone help me? To add a second request to this botchamania question, I've been trying to find the one where Shelton Benjamin (I think) goes running up the ring steps and his momentum just carries him right over the other sidee and he goes flying and it's all very humorous. Little help?
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Aug 16, 2010 23:38
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Has Bret Hart ever had a singles match against HHH? I feel as though it had to have happened at least once but I can't think of any matches off the top of my head.
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Chunky Delight posted:Has Bret Hart ever had a singles match against HHH? I feel as though it had to have happened at least once but I can't think of any matches off the top of my head. Yeah. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6xCbiUDpH0
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cucka posted:To add a second request to this botchamania question, I've been trying to find the one where Shelton Benjamin (I think) goes running up the ring steps and his momentum just carries him right over the other sidee and he goes flying and it's all very humorous. To add a third that I've been searching for on and off for a long time. Which botchamania had the raven vs jarrett match where they hit each other with everything and then it ended with the stroke?
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cucka posted:To add a second request to this botchamania question, I've been trying to find the one where Shelton Benjamin (I think) goes running up the ring steps and his momentum just carries him right over the other sidee and he goes flying and it's all very humorous.
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Other than D'lo/Severn, has there even been an angle of a guy getting injured seriously via a submission move? I was just reflecting today how in the WWE, submissions can be held for a very long time, but never do any damage more than "really really hurt."
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Aug 17, 2010 19:10
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Volcano Style posted:Conveniently, it was made part of the Best of Botchamania. Dragon Dragon is the best. I swear I wish WWE had room for more of this goofy fun attitude every now and then. Like, on Superstars or a lower show.
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El Axo Grande posted:Other than D'lo/Severn, has there even been an angle of a guy getting injured seriously via a submission move? Bill Watts had an angle in Mid-South where Terry Gordy put him in an Asiatic Spike for three minutes, to the point where Watts was coughing up blood. And I'm sure Kurt Angle and/or Ken Shamrock had one with the anklelock they both used.
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CombineThresher posted:Other than D'lo/Severn, has there even been an angle of a guy getting injured seriously via a submission move? When Randy Orton was in his huge backstage troublemaker phase and was on future endeavorwatch, they suspended him with the kayfabe explanation that Kurt Angle had broken his ankle.
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Gatts posted:Dragon Dragon is the best. I swear I wish WWE had room for more of this goofy fun attitude every now and then. Like, on Superstars or a lower show. Its the crowd that makes it work though. A Chikara crowd doesnt take itself very seriously and that is what makes the show work. I do not think a WWE crowd could let itself get into something as goofy as Dragon Dragon or the Olsen slow-mo match. Hell, WH2K would explode with sperg rage if WWE tried something half as goofy.
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Aug 17, 2010 19:58
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El Axo Grande posted:Its the crowd that makes it work though. A Chikara crowd doesnt take itself very seriously and that is what makes the show work. I do not think a WWE crowd could let itself get into something as goofy as Dragon Dragon or the Olsen slow-mo match. Hell, WH2K would explode with sperg rage if WWE tried something half as goofy. You need to ease into that level of goofyness. For Chikara, it's well established that we have supervillains, ants, a guy whose finisher involves an imaginary grenade, a guy who is created by the fans and time traveling break dancers so it's not quite so jarring compared to WWE which is all serious business. Hornswoggle is probably the best example of how jarring it can be.
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El Axo Grande posted:Its the crowd that makes it work though. A Chikara crowd doesnt take itself very seriously and that is what makes the show work. I do not think a WWE crowd could let itself get into something as goofy as Dragon Dragon or the Olsen slow-mo match. Hell, WH2K would explode with sperg rage if WWE tried something half as goofy. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CTCWske0nOQ Then there's stuff like the May 19th beached whale mat wrestling match, pretty much everything Shawn Michaels said or did while in DX, etc. I mean, think about it. Shawn Michaels' last WWE run began when he quit a short order cook job.
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Aug 17, 2010 20:18
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Manic_Misanthrope posted:Hornswoggle is probably the best example of how jarring it can be. But remember how everyone sperged over the Hornswoggle vs Noble/Carlito bits? Smarks straight up refuse to like that stuff
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OneThousandMonkeys posted:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CTCWske0nOQ Even if it's stuff like that, like Shawn's segments, it's fantastic and entertaining. Or the Rock and Sacramento. Or Austin singing. I mean, that's great poo poo.
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El Axo Grande posted:But remember how everyone sperged over the Hornswoggle vs Noble/Carlito bits? Smarks straight up refuse to like that stuff This is mainly because it wasn't funny. The Smackdown Juniors league (for the month it lasted) was pretty good.
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Most of these WWE examples are segments that happened outside the ring though. Something like that imaginary grenade finisher is a whole different category of goofy.
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OneThousandMonkeys posted:This is mainly because it wasn't funny. Wrong If you cannot appreciate trying to catch a leprechaun in a rabbit trap with a box of Lucky Charms then gently caress you get off my planet only cool kids allowed.
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El Axo Grande posted:Wrong Yeah everybody was hawing it up when Chavo (who is boring enough on his own) jobbed to Hornswoggle like fifty times in a row until people made him tweak out on Twitter. Or Hornswoggle teleporting through walls and somehow Carlito not quitting WWE on the spot. 
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El Axo Grande posted:Wrong Hornswoggle paints a hole on the wall and runs through it. Carlito tries to follow and runs into the wall. Rage destroys the internet.
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Burrito posted:Hornswoggle paints a hole on the wall and runs through it. I seriously laughed for a minute when I saw that. Doing an honest to god Roadrunner skit on wrestling was amazing to me and to this day I have no idea how anyone could hate it.
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El Axo Grande posted:I seriously laughed for a minute when I saw that. Doing an honest to god Roadrunner skit on wrestling was amazing to me and to this day I have no idea how anyone could hate it. Remember that people got mad when the WWE used a camera angle during a taped bit. Because they changed the camera angle people freaked out. It seems that for a large group of people wrestling is fake enough so that if you do anything outside the realm of 'reality' it breaks their brains I guess.
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Burrito posted:Hornswoggle paints a hole on the wall and runs through it. Link?  FishBulb posted:Remember that people got mad when the WWE used a camera angle during a taped bit. Because they changed the camera angle people freaked out. You mean like Mankind v. The Rock in the empty arena match during the super bowl halftime, when Rock got pinned by the forklift?
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Shitty_Wok posted:Link? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0kKITr3NsI Oh god I forgot the tip of the hat before he ran. There was also the time he fought a bunch of midget versions of other wrestlers before he was in the rumble. Midget Kane looked awesome.
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Shitty_Wok posted:You mean like Mankind v. The Rock in the empty arena match during the super bowl halftime, when Rock got pinned by the forklift? Actually I was thinking of Undertaker's recent weed limo escapade but I'm sure there were nerds sperging about the empty arena match too.
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Burrito posted:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0kKITr3NsI Didn't laugh at this until Ron Simmons walked into the scene with his drat t-shirt and did his thing. Then it got me.
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FishBulb posted:It seems that for a large group of people wrestling is fake enough so that if you do anything outside the realm of 'reality' it breaks their brains I guess. It's a stupid argument for stupid people, but the idea is that since a single 180 degree cut (especially inside a magic weed limo) means you need to go through the rigmarole of setting up the new camera position it can't possibly be "live" any more. Why it's that in particular that breaks the precious immersion, I'm not qualified to say, I loved that segment.
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Burrito posted:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0kKITr3NsI Hahahaha holy poo poo
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Umbra Dubium posted:It's a stupid argument for stupid people, but the idea is that since a single 180 degree cut (especially inside a magic weed limo) means you need to go through the rigmarole of setting up the new camera position it can't possibly be "live" any more. Oh I know all about the rules of the camera and all that stuff, I'm just saying that it seemed like a stupid thing for people to freak out about when the undead zombie wrestler was kidnapping the GM in a puff of smoke in a magical limo.
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Shitty_Wok posted:
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Shitty_Wok posted:Link? When your entire show is presented as a live sporting event you don't get to have a random first-person view for no reason. It was retarded, end of story.
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WeaselWeaz posted:When your entire show is presented as a live sporting event you don't get to have a random first-person view for no reason. It was retarded, end of story.
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I will respond to you with the same response I hear when anyone says something dumb has happened on wrestling: it's wrestling.
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