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CaptainScraps posted:gently caress this let's go be professors and feed the beast.
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Why is the AMA good at protecting the interests of doctors but the ABA is actively out to ruin the legal profession
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Draile posted:Why is the AMA good at protecting the interests of doctors but the ABA is actively out to ruin the legal profession I thought screwing everyone was the whole point of being a lawyer.
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Aug 17, 2010 22:23
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Draile posted:Why is the AMA good at protecting the interests of doctors but the ABA is actively out to ruin the legal profession I don't know where you got the idea that the AMA is protecting the interests of doctors. They're just like the ABA (if that article represents how the ABA nomrally does bizzzzness)
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Aug 17, 2010 22:25
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Finally broke my callback drought! Horray! (This is the bad part about interviewing with DC: Northern charm, Southern efficiency)
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Aug 18, 2010 00:00
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Welp didn't even get picked for an interview this year with a firm that I had 2 callbacks, a strong recommendation from faculty (former senior partner, I've gotten As in five of his classes), getting invited to a dinner thing with single-malt scotch and lox and poo poo, and bullshitting with a senior partner at a tailgate party last year. 3L OCI starting off NICE
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Aug 18, 2010 00:06
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billion dollar bitch posted:Finally broke my callback drought! Horray! (This is the bad part about interviewing with DC: Northern charm, Southern efficiency) From what I remember, DC is generally slower on the callback turnaround time, whereas New York will basically let you know on the day of, or the day after. I wouldn't worry so much.
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Aug 18, 2010 00:45
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J Miracle posted:Welp didn't even get picked for an interview this year with a firm that I had 2 callbacks, a strong recommendation from faculty (former senior partner, I've gotten As in five of his classes), getting invited to a dinner thing with single-malt scotch and lox and poo poo, and bullshitting with a senior partner at a tailgate party last year. Just have that faculty member send your resume to the firm through his own channels. It's probably preferable over OCI anyway. I got an offer from a firm that didn't give me a callback after OCI. I just ignored that I ever interviewed with them and sent my resume in another way.
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Aug 18, 2010 00:48
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guess who has two thumbs, speaks limited french, and has a postgrad job this moi 
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Soothing Vapors posted:guess who has two thumbs, speaks limited french, and has a postgrad job What kind of job?
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Aug 18, 2010 01:18
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He's a grocery bagger at Carrefour
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Aug 18, 2010 01:18
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Lykourgos posted:He's a grocery bagger at Carrefour Or maybe fellowship at http://www.hippopotamus.fr/ Sky's the limit when you speak a lil french...
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Aug 18, 2010 01:19
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haters goan hate
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Aug 18, 2010 01:23
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So you aren't denying it then?
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Aug 18, 2010 01:24
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chez hippopotamus looks p. sweet, I would totally work there
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Aug 18, 2010 01:38
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Draile posted:Why is the AMA good at protecting the interests of doctors but the ABA is actively out to ruin the legal profession ABA is for-profit, AMA isn't. Also the actual cost of legal education is dirt cheap - you just need a few books in your library (all donated), a few professors, and some real estate. Law schools are a HUGE money maker for otherwise cash strapped universities. Med schools need to buy cadavers, MRI machines, scalpels/bandages, do clinics for poor people, etc etc etc. Plus the AMA is in charge of a profession with actual skill, the ABA can suck dues out of anyone dumb enough to become a member. BigHead fucked around with this message at 02:22 on Aug 18, 2010 |
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prussian advisor posted:Do you know any 3Ls who either worked at a firm and didn't get an offer, or who worked at non-firm jobs that either aren't in a position to make an offer yet or won't be hiring anyone next year? If so, what are they up to exactly? I clerked for a firm for 5 of the 6 semesters of law school, summers and winters to no avail... they're too recession-screwed to hire anyone. Lucky for that CS degree or I'd still be freaking unemployed: "welcome to the IT help desk, how can I help you today?" I'm actually helping a local gym incorporate a non-profit powerlifting program for at-risk youth, digitizing their records, doing accounting work, building excel spreadsheets (my CS thesis was in AI theory), etc. I'm thinking of calling it "of counsel" experience.
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The op is excellent, thanks to everyone that contributed, but one thing wasn't entirely clear. What difference does your focus in undergrad make? Any at all? Would a degree like music history (mine) be a disadvantage?
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chinchilla posted:The op is excellent, thanks to everyone that contributed, but one thing wasn't entirely clear. What difference does your focus in undergrad make? Any at all? Would a degree like music history (mine) be a disadvantage?
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Gadamer posted:what the hell is "complex Algebra"? evilweasel posted:can I take CS courses I love programming GregNorc posted:can I take law courses I love arguing chinchilla posted:The op is excellent, thanks to everyone that contributed, but one thing wasn't entirely clear. What difference does your focus in undergrad make? Any at all? Would a degree like music history (mine) be a disadvantage?
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Aug 18, 2010 04:51
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If someone interviewing me tells me to give HIM a call, what the gently caress does that mean?
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JudicialRestraints posted:If someone interviewing me tells me to give HIM a call, what the gently caress does that mean?
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Ersatz posted:Did he wink? I wish he did, I'm pretty sure sexual favors would be considered very favorably.
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Aug 18, 2010 05:46
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Anyone know of any law schools that offer auditing for their courses?
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Elotana posted:ahahahahahahaha we're all screwed (even more) Why would you want to study US law abroad? I don't think many firms would bother with getting H1-B visas for foreigners. Maybe they'll outsource legal consultation to India and hire just enough local lawyers to make court appearances.
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Konstantin posted:Why would you want to study US law abroad? I don't think many firms would bother with getting H1-B visas for foreigners. Maybe they'll outsource legal consultation to India and hire just enough local lawyers to make court appearances. For "legal consultation" read "transactional work" and you've just killed off every biglaw associate.
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BigHead posted:ABA is for-profit, AMA isn't. Also the actual cost of legal education is dirt cheap - you just need a few books in your library (all donated), a few professors, and some real estate. Law schools are a HUGE money maker for otherwise cash strapped universities. Med schools need to buy cadavers, MRI machines, scalpels/bandages, do clinics for poor people, etc etc etc. The ABA is actually a non-profit, it's just operated like a (terrible) business. The truth of the matter is that the AMA has actually done quite a bit to protect the Medical profession, despite not everyone in the field agreeing with their approach. Working to limit the amount of doctors in the country via stringent medical school limitations has done quite a bit to not only insure that Americans are served by people who really really really want to be doctors and are therefore very good at what they do, but has also protected the profession by ensuring that the stringent requirements to become a doctor create a relative scarcity which ensures a decent standard of living for those who make the cut. The ABA... sells overpriced books, dabbles in political battles it has no business in, and accredits any law school that can fill out an application. It's a shame that we don't have a national organization truly interested in protecting the profession.
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Baruch Obamawitz posted:For "legal consultation" read "transactional work" and you've just killed off every biglaw associate. A good start
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Defleshed posted:It's a shame that we don't have a national organization truly interested in protecting the profession. I'm staring a union, who's in?
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Defleshed posted:The ABA is actually a non-profit, it's just operated like a (terrible) business. I think what you're describing is part of the larger problem with the legal industry today. At some point, we're going to have to decide whether we're a profession (with all the regulations and limitations imposed on attorneys) or a business (subject to the ravages of globalization). If we're a profession, then more needs to be done to raise the barriers of entry to ensure the benefits of being an attorney are worth the extra hassle. If we're a business, then practicing law needs to be deregulated to allow us to innovate and compete globally. What we have now is the worst of both worlds. People spend a lot of time and money getting licensed only to find out that they are forced to compete against "lawyers" in India or websites that generate legal documents. Of course no one is entitled to a job, but as members of a profession shouldn't we at least be entitled to a job market?
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Aug 18, 2010 15:52
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Roger_Mudd posted:I'm staring a union, who's in? Dibs on arbitrator
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Phil Moscowitz posted:cats are all like get this poo poo out of here I got a 175 and decided devoting my life to LSAT was more worthy than a career in law
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I've never heard of Knewton, are they yet another TM/PS/BP splinter group? $100/hr for teaching sounds way too good to be true.
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Elotana posted:I've never heard of Knewton, are they yet another TM/PS/BP splinter group? $100/hr for teaching sounds way too good to be true. Knewton's big thing is that they are online-only test prep, if I remember correctly. Personally I am skeptical but it probably works for some people.
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Roger_Mudd posted:I'm staring a union, who's in? The Wobblies are back (and headquartered in Chicago!)... http://www.iww.org/ The problem is too many of us (well to many of you anyway) are considered the oppressor.
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Defleshed posted:The Wobblies are back (and headquartered in Chicago!)... My parents worked in factories and I had to work 30 hours a week (in a union) to put myself through state school. Can I sign up?
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JudicialRestraints posted:My parents worked in factories and I had to work 30 hours a week (in a union) to put myself through state school. Can I sign up? what do you parents feel about you also going to law school?
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Who has more influence over the ABA? The AmLaw 100? Plaintiff attorney organizations? I feel that accrediting foreign law schools would be complete suicide for the sector as it is shaped right now. I am surprised it even got past a committee._areaman posted:I got a 175 and decided devoting my life to LSAT was more worthy than a career in law Maybe she has kids and/or hates being a lawyer. If you quit early on enough in your career, there's not much else to do with your 1-2 years of work experience and 3 years of law school except tutor or do LSAT prep. Maybe you could clerk, but from what I understand, most judges like clerks who are on their way to doing other things and not just looking for a shelter from the real world.
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Gadamer posted:what do you parents feel about you also going to law school? They think that it will give me a 'better life than they had.' I disagree. E: My mom talked to her boss (a lawyer) about the job market. His advice was "do 3L OCI it worked for me." I'm thinking of drinking a Svedka/Draino cocktail JudicialRestraints fucked around with this message at 04:52 on Aug 19, 2010 |
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