my cat is norris posted:
The non flammible gas is strong in this one.
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thrawn527 posted:
Well, you probably should. But no, in general, Thrawn should not really be rooted for. Sure, if he won the galaxy would be a much much much better place, but...uh....hmmm...... Well, I'm sure there's some downsides.
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Aug 19, 2010 22:11
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Slantedfloors posted:Well, you probably should. Philosophical quandry: Is it better to be free and miserable or guided but secure + provided for?
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Aug 19, 2010 22:19
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How could you even think to support Thrawn unironically?  He's a grand admiral for the EMPIRE. The EMPIRE
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Aug 19, 2010 22:42
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:How could you even think to support Thrawn unironically? True, but he's actually competent.
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Aug 19, 2010 22:46
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:How could you even think to support Thrawn unironically? If Thrawn was real and campaigned under the banner that thrawn527 has in his avatar, I think he could at least win a primary, if not the whole election. The right would love him for his military experience, and the left would love him for his appreciation of the arts.
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Aug 19, 2010 22:54
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:How could you even think to support Thrawn unironically? I cam across this site which details all the different tropes (storytelling devices) used within literature and other media, and has a pretty good article on the Thrawn trilogy. On Thrawn they have this to say: quote:Affably Evil: Thrawn and Pellaeon The list of devices is huge by the way, and I really enjoyed reading it. Also, Zahn's original plans for the novel: quote:What Could Have Been: Originally Zahn wanted the character that became Joruus C'baoth to be an insane clone of Obi-Wan Kenobi, and the clone he unleashes on Luke at the end of The Last Command to be a clone of Darth Vader. Lucasarts (sic) vetoed both of these, which might be just as well, as it could have led to the same kind of Death Is Cheap scenario that made Dark Empire so unpopular with some fans.
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Aug 19, 2010 22:57
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WampaLord posted:If Thrawn was real and campaigned under the banner that thrawn527 has in his avatar, I think he could at least win a primary, if not the whole election. The right would love him for his military experience, and the left would love him for his appreciation of the arts. And the undecided dullards would be won over by his promises of free pretzels, and perhaps beer nuts if the budget allows for it.
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Aug 19, 2010 22:58
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DougieC posted:I cam across this site which details all the different tropes (storytelling devices) used within literature and other media... NO! Run, you fool, RUN!!!! DougieC posted:The list of devices is huge by the way, and I really enjoyed reading it. And so TV Tropes has claimed another innocent life.
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Aug 19, 2010 22:58
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Throb Robinson posted:Not sure but I remember once that SOE once ported any reported credit farmers into the Nightsister instance. Don't know but early on I remember with lag quite a few people would log back in and find themselves at (0,0) on the planet map. Tough to make out but my character is about 20 meters in the air, this was after dieing in one of the battlegrounds maybe a few weeks after launch.  Click here for the full 1024x768 image. Levitating creatures.  Click here for the full 1024x768 image. Those other pictures earlier weren't tents / camps. This was (excuse the gay manpile and horrible angles, missing the giant dome + tons of other features), the final ranger tent / camp. It was bigger than most player buildings.  Click here for the full 1024x768 image.  Click here for the full 1024x768 image. DougieC posted:The list of devices is huge by the way, and I really enjoyed reading it. http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheEpicOfGilgamesh AcridWhistle fucked around with this message at 23:06 on Aug 19, 2010 |
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Aug 19, 2010 23:00
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AcridWhistle posted:According to tvtropes every plot device ever is a trope. Really. Don't believe me ? http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Beowulf They're using the term "trope" to mean "a common or overused theme or device," not the more specific definition of "a use of figurative language." Also, remember that TV Tropes Will Ruin Your Life, and Your Vocabulary, but interestingly it will also Enhance Your Life. Pththya-lyi fucked around with this message at 23:17 on Aug 19, 2010 |
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Aug 19, 2010 23:12
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WampaLord posted:NO! Run, you fool, RUN!!!! I....what? I thought it was quite good! Made me appreciate how good Zahn's novels were (I'm just done reading their bit on the Thrawn duology). Is this a really famous website I've somehow missed through an inexplicable internet blind spot? DougieFFC fucked around with this message at 00:05 on Aug 20, 2010 |
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Aug 19, 2010 23:17
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DougieC posted:I....what? Yes, it is well known. And it's good. But it is the ultimate timesink and some people don't like the fact it can have so drat much 'spergin on anime and fanfic. I love it. It has stolen days of my live from me though!
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Aug 19, 2010 23:30
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DougieC posted:I....what? http://xkcd.com/609/ Exactly this has happened to us all.
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Aug 20, 2010 00:34
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Powered Descent posted:http://xkcd.com/609/ I'm still on it. I like that they thought LOTF was dogshit.
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Aug 20, 2010 00:39
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Slantedfloors posted:Didn't SOE fling hundreds of players into space one time for questioning them? I never played it, but from what I heard they took one game and slowly transformed it into another that nobody liked. Why did you have to link to TvTropes? I'd broken the habit. T-1000 fucked around with this message at 01:14 on Aug 20, 2010 |
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Aug 20, 2010 00:58
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SOE's lowest hour (at least prior to the NGE) was when they closed one of their servers due to constant player protests. The time where the put hundreds of players into space was during one of them. What happened was that someone in the game figured out a way to dupe the in game currency in the trillions. SOE, in their brilliant wisdom decided to ban EVERYONE who had any of the duped credits. However, since there was absolutely no way for someone in game to know whether the credits were genuine they were spread all over the server as people continued to buy things and give money to other people. You could even give someone money without their consent using the /tip command and there was not a drat thing they could do about it. Everyone who had the duped credits was banned.
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Aug 20, 2010 01:05
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:SOE's lowest hour (at least prior to the NGE) was when they closed one of their servers due to constant player protests. The time where the put hundreds of players into space was during one of them. What happened was that someone in the game figured out a way to dupe the in game currency in the trillions. SOE, in their brilliant wisdom decided to ban EVERYONE who had any of the duped credits. However, since there was absolutely no way for someone in game to know whether the credits were genuine they were spread all over the server as people continued to buy things and give money to other people. You could even give someone money without their consent using the /tip command and there was not a drat thing they could do about it. Everyone who had the duped credits was banned. I swear SOE is the most incompetant company to ever make video games. I hope they burn in video game hell.
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Aug 20, 2010 01:58
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I really dislike the EU for reasons well enumerated in this thread and the last - basically, that it's usually incredibly stupid. As such I generally avoid it. Still, two books keep popping up here that most posters seem to think are pretty good. I just read one of 'em, Luke Skywalker and the Shadows of Mindor. Good points of Shadows of Mindor: 1) Set pretty much right after ROTJ, so very little of the ridiculous baggage of the post-ROTK EU timeline is in effect. The characters are free to be basically the ones in the films. 2) Also because of its position in the timeline, very little of the ridiculous baggage of the PT is evident. 3) No crazy superweapons. 4) It's not yet another iteration of Jedi vs. Sith. 5) The villain, his motivation, and his plan are all interesting. 6) The space battles are well-written, and the action is suspenseful. Less good points of Shadows of Mindor: 1) There is an EU tendency to treat the Force as fantasy-style magic that can be controlled and manipulated via machinery. However, the book is intelligent enough to keep it to a minimum and it turns out that the Force-controlling tech is basically alive anyway, which fits pretty well with the more mystic Force of the OT. 2) The whole thing is pretty tech-heavy by space opera standards, but at the same time the science isn't up to SF quality. 3) The plot is rather grim. This isn't bad, just a little eyebrow-raising in places. But those are minor quibbles. It's a quite a good book. Well worth a read even if you usually hate the EU.
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Aug 20, 2010 02:06
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Say what you will about SWG and SOE, but it was one of my favorite MMO experiences, and with some tweaking, I'd love to play another game like it.
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Aug 20, 2010 02:33
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Gustavus posted:Say what you will about SWG and SOE, but it was one of my favorite MMO experiences, and with some tweaking, I'd love to play another game like it. I loved SWG too but SOE was still god awful in every way.
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Aug 20, 2010 02:37
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Personally I don't blame SOE for loving up SWG. I think its Lucasarts or Lucas Ltm Or whatever SOE deals with. I mean SOE can run a MMO, The first everquest is still getting a new Expansion and still continues to have a huge crowd playing it.
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Aug 20, 2010 02:41
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Gustavus posted:Say what you will about SWG and SOE, but it was one of my favorite MMO experiences, and with some tweaking, I'd love to play another game like it. None of us are hating on SWG, just the broken creepy trading card obsessed post NGE thing that barely resembles it now.
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Aug 20, 2010 02:48
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SeanBeansShako posted:None of us are hating on SWG, just the broken creepy trading card obsessed post NGE thing that barely resembles it now. Yeah, I had stopped playing before the NGE and tried to pick it up again a while ago but could only think to myself Why would they ruin a perfectly good game like this?
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Gustavus posted:Yeah, I had stopped playing before the NGE and tried to pick it up again a while ago but could only think to myself Why would they ruin a perfectly good game like this? Considering that SWG right from the start was a billion times more original that the MMO it tried to beat (Warcraft) which is the same basic RPG Light/MMO stuff just rehashed to be used friendly to a certain extent they didn't really have to do anything but some minor balancing and bug fixes with occasionally addition of related content. SWG was doomed from the start though, being released at a time where two more prequal films had yet to be launch or just being launched and LA went completely retarded trying to push all sorts of prequal related games to get as much sales as possible.
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Aug 20, 2010 02:57
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I actually enjoyed Rage of the Wookiees and Trials of Obi-Wan. But it was clear that Lucasarts was pushing them to do stuff.
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Aug 20, 2010 03:18
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Are there any good EU books out for Kindle? When I searched for Star Wars most of it was LotF stuff, which thanks to this thread I know to stay far away from. Also, sniper4625 posted:- The original R2-D2: dead, replaced by replica When did this happen?
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Aug 20, 2010 03:19
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:I actually enjoyed Rage of the Wookiees and Trials of Obi-Wan. But it was clear that Lucasarts was pushing them to do stuff. The new content was great, but gently caress them for making the quest items stuff uncraftible. The term Galactic Civl War Revamp still oddly pisses me off to this day.
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Aug 20, 2010 03:20
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Kazy posted:- The original R2-D2: dead, replaced by replica Also, they blew up the Death Star but the Imperials knew where the rebel base was. Rather than repairing him, it'd be a lot faster to just scrap the original R2, reformat another astromech you had lying around, and then start packing your stuff.
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Aug 20, 2010 03:27
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T-1000 posted:I admit, I made it up. He gets blown up at the end of ANH and miraculously restored a short period of time later. And then proceeds to not tell them anything useful that he knew from the prequels. That does make a lot of sense.
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Aug 20, 2010 03:29
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R2 gives Luke video recordings of Anakin and Padme in the Dark Nest trilogy.
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Aug 20, 2010 03:40
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:R2 gives Luke video recordings of Anakin and Padme in the Dark Nest trilogy. So he just waited 35 or more years?
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Aug 20, 2010 03:56
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AcridWhistle posted:So he just waited 35 or more years? And then went HAL9000 over it. That's literally how bad Troy Denning is.
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Aug 20, 2010 03:59
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Why didn't Luke or Leia ever ask Ghost Obi-Wan who their mother was?
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Loopyface posted:Why didn't Luke or Leia ever ask Ghost Obi-Wan who their mother was? Cause until It was official in revenge of the sith Luke and Leia could give less then a poo poo who their mom was.
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Aug 20, 2010 04:09
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:R2 gives Luke video recordings of Anakin and Padme in the Dark Nest trilogy.
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Aug 20, 2010 04:33
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T-1000 posted:I freaking hate how they shoehorn references to the prequels into the EU as the movies came out. People only made passing references to it for forty years, then it's like everyone only just remembered all those things that happened. My EU book actually covers this. It's about a powerful Sith named Darth Al-Zeimer who made everyone forget everything that happened up until the events of a New Hope. His goal was to buy planets everyone had forgotten about and sell them at ridiculously high prices when they were rediscovered. He is eventually defeated by the Jedi Rhett Conn. Barudak fucked around with this message at 04:39 on Aug 20, 2010 |
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Aug 20, 2010 04:36
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T-1000 posted:I freaking hate how they shoehorn references to the prequels into the EU as the movies came out. People only made passing references to it for forty years, then it's like everyone only just remembered all those things that happened. Yeah, early EU books made it seem like that era was completely purged from the galaxy. Not just records but people's memories too. Luke had to fight and dig for every single tiny little bit of information regarding the Jedi that he could find and usually considered himself lucky to find the equivalent of a doodle drawn by Yoda on a napkin. Along comes the PT and the EU needed to shoehorn poo poo in and now everyone has a loving story or item from that era
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Here is my Geeky Star Wars Question that's really more of a Geeky Star Wars argument but not one I feel like posting on theforce.net for the obvious reasons... How do we account for Yuuzhan Vong society being what it is during the Swarm War? I mean, I know caste system, religious zealotry, yada yada  , but it seems like the only ones who really do anything at all are the shapers. They don't need the warriors to fight anything out in the void between galaxies, and it's the shapers who really control every facet of life by controlling the biotech (meaning everything from clothes to ships). They should naturally become an entrenched uber-caste over the span of the few generations, which is how long they were all in deep space. What's up with EU authors not understanding social forces and dialectic materialism?WhyteRyce posted:Along comes the PT and the EU needed to shoehorn poo poo in and now everyone has a loving story or item from that era Maybe they stumbled upon the Empire's version of the Soviet archives, conveniently not on Coruscant, sometime around the yronic heroism fucked around with this message at 05:56 on Aug 20, 2010 |
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I wonder what would have happened if George Lucas decided to not do the PT and allowed the EU to cover the years prior to the OT....
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