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Nilbop posted:He'd have to turn it into a loving horror book to find something that can kill Sam Vimes. Vimes is getting older, and he's human. As far as his will and sense of justice takes him, he can still die to a stab through the heart. Or even just a heart attack. 
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Yeah that's what I was driving at, also he's a man who enjoys Pork Scratching cookies, smokes like a chimney and used to have a heavy drinking problem. He's supposed to be like 50 at this point right?
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Nilbop posted:He'd have to turn it into a loving horror book to find something that can kill Sam Vimes. My favourite passage from Thud! quote:"Tell me, Drummknott, are you a betting man at all?" Given that quasidemonic beings of pure vengeance lose out to him, it'd have to be pretty loving horrific.
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Gravitas Shortfall posted:Vimes is getting older, and he's human. As far as his will and sense of justice takes him, he can still die to a stab through the heart. Or even just a heart attack. Man, it better not be Vimes. It should be Vetinari! It's so thematically appropriate! Vetinari was in Discworld since chapter one. He's the puppet master that built the city from a fantasy cliche to a vibrant, breathing reality. He makes the characters and the plots move. He IS Terry Pratchett. It just makes too much sense. The problem is that Vimes is also Terry Pratchett. This nuclear spokesman writing okay fantasy stories in his spare time becomes OBE and the toast of his land. Who does that sound like to you?
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Copernic posted:Man, it better not be Vimes. It should be Vetinari! It's so thematically appropriate! Vetinari was in Discworld since chapter one. He's the puppet master that built the city from a fantasy cliche to a vibrant, breathing reality. He makes the characters and the plots move. He IS Terry Pratchett. It just makes too much sense. Closing the series with the death of Vetinari would be fitting.
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Aug 12, 2010 07:56
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No, it all ends with a roundtable discussion and a pint at the Mended Drum. All of it. Everyone's there. Rincewind, Vimes, Granny, Nanny, Ridcully, Vetinari, Nobby, William, Tiffany, Moist, Gaspode, everyone. Vime retires. Carrot becomes King of a Constitutional Monarchy, giving the citizens a proud and inspirational figure in their lives who won't gently caress up by actually trying to run the city. Rincewind gets a spud and maybe a thank you from everyone. Granny has a chat with Ridcully and Vimes about something they'd all know about. Dean and the Archchancellor start a fight. We get a resolution with not only Carrot and Angua but Susan and Lobsang Ludd too. Death stops in for a chat because gently caress off. Oh Gawd.
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Nilbop posted:Rincewind gets a spud and maybe a thank you from everyone.
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Gravitas Shortfall posted:Vimes is getting older, and he's human. As far as his will and sense of justice takes him, he can still die to a stab through the heart. Or even just a heart attack. He did mention in Night Watch he's had a few chest pains he was a bit worried about, so that he'd know it was him speaking from the time loop. thebardyspoon posted:I think Vimes might die in Snuff, when Terry announced that as the new Watch book he also said "now remember Snuff has two meanings". First is that powder poo poo you snort and the second is too snuff it or die. Someone is going to die, probably an established character and we will cry. Who said two meanings? He said it has at least two meanings. It's obviously going to be about the troll drug trade dying and branching out into death porn that isn't quite up to scratch and which the moneyed elite express disapproval of.
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You snuff out candles before they burn out.
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And then there's Snuffy: His 39th birthday is coming up this Thursday!
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Nilbop posted:He'd have to turn it into a loving horror book to find something that can kill Sam Vimes. The other option is the reverse like (Wire spoiler) Omar's death. Something small he never saw coming. Vetinari has to have come plan in place for his own death / replacement though. It'd be completely out of character for him not to have one, and regime changes can make for good stories (elections, coronations, revolutions, etc).
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Vetenari's the type to attend his own funeral, to make sure the city really will run smoothly without his intervention. If that's really been his plan, he's going to want to make sure it'll work, and that his death won't plunge the city into chaos.
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LooseChanj posted:Vetenari's the type to attend his own funeral, to make sure the city really will run smoothly without his intervention. If that's really been his plan, he's going to want to make sure it'll work, and that his death won't plunge the city into chaos. Yeah, that would be a great epilogue - with Vetinari having "died" and heading off to Uberwald to shack up with that Vampire lady, and Vimes having figured it out or something.
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Paragon8 posted:Yeah, that would be a great epilogue - with Vetinari having "died" and heading off to Uberwald to shack up with that Vampire lady, and Vimes having figured it out or something. I also kind of agree, I really don't want a morbid ending for the last Discworld book .
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Paragon8 posted:Yeah, that would be a great epilogue - with Vetinari having "died" and heading off to Uberwald to shack up with that Vampire lady, and Vimes having figured it out or something. Maybe he even attends the funeral having become a vampire? Vetinari's fixed A-M so maybe there's hints he goes on to help other places.
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Or rather, the dead Vetinary is the that bloke from The Truth that looked like Vetinari. Vetinari, seeing his time was over anyway and his projects now too far along to be stopped by any of the other powers in A-M, decides to leave. I'm in two minds about this, actually. On one hand, I'd like if he would tie a knot on all the pieces of string he has in the universe. On the other hand, it would feel very... definite. But let's see. As long as he doesn't do anything nearly as stupid as J. K. Rowling did for the last Harry Potter, I'm good.
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Iacen posted:Or rather, the dead Vetinary is the that bloke from The Truth that looked like Vetinari. YOU THINK IT'S OVER?
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ThaGhettoJew posted:YOU THINK IT'S OVER? It is a football joke.
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appropriatemetaphor posted:It is a football joke. Honestly, I'm not into foot to ball at all and I still get it.
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Finally finished The Colour of Magic and started The Light Fantastic. So far this book is all over the place, but I'm only about 20 pages in. There were parts in TCoM like that too, but they eventually came together so it's all good. Man I love this world. edit-- It's definitely more... I dunno, snarky? Colour certainly had a number of clever and hilarious parodies of the fantasy genre, but Light has out-and-out witty quips that just make me giggle. It's great. Count Thrashula fucked around with this message at 15:05 on Aug 16, 2010 |
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It's been years since I read Light Fantastic but there are several passages in there that I remember very fondly. It's got some of Pratchett's most meta-commentary writing, particularly regarding the mercenaries hired to chase Rincewind and company.
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John Charity Spring posted:It's been years since I read Light Fantastic but there are several passages in there that I remember very fondly. I just started the Discworld novels this summer and read The Colour of Magic and The Light Fantastic not all that long ago, and they were both pretty fun. I liked my more recent Rincewind novel, Sourcery, a bit better though. But I do kinda like Rincewind's stories a lot, I feel like he makes for a really fun story.
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I cannot for the life of me remember why Rincewind never learns spells once the Great Spell is out of his head. I mean, he is certainly as clever and competent as most of the Unseen Academy. Is it ever explained?
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YggiDee posted:Isn't he just universally terrible at magic? That's what I figured. I think the only reason he even knew the Great Spell is because it forced itself into his head.
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YggiDee posted:Isn't he just universally terrible at magic? Universally terrible doesn't quite cover it, I forget which book the quote is from but quote:It has been estimated that when Rincewind dies, the average magical ability for the species will go up a fraction.
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Rincewind is the much earlier Rusty Venture of fantasy novels. He taught us all that cowardice, general apathy and reckless disreguard for spelling was awesome.
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SeanBeansShako posted:Rincewind is the much earlier Rusty Venture of fantasy novels. He taught us all that cowardice, general apathy and reckless disreguard for spelling was awesome. And in fact much more useful than courage, bull-headedness and willingness to fight impossible odds.
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I love all he really wanted from The Gods of the Disc at the end of The Last Hero was a red balloon.. That doesn't work! That doesn't work!
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After just re-reading Unseen Academicals, I can't quite understand the dislike for it, it's a pretty good book I think. It doesn't have as much as an impact as the darker novels, but it definitely feels that much more quirky.
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I wonder, but after rereading for the n-th time Feet of Clay, Am I the only one the have he impression that Pterry pulled trick on the reader? I mean, is the blurb about "there is a crime in the air" an innocent way of saying things, or does it refer to, well, the bad guys' plot?
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Iceclaw posted:I wonder, but after rereading for the n-th time Feet of Clay, Am I the only one the have he impression that Pterry pulled trick on the reader? I mean, is the blurb about "there is a crime in the air" an innocent way of saying things, or does it refer to, well, the bad guys' plot? It actually says There is treason in the air and you also just blew my mind. 
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If that doesn't blow your mind, have a look at the rerelease's (black) cover. There's a major plot point staring at you and you'd never know it until you read the book. Whoever came up with that cover concept is a genius. \/ Not really if you compare it to the other black cover books. Many of them just have fairly generic fantasy themes. Mokinokaro fucked around with this message at 00:16 on Aug 20, 2010 |
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Mokinokaro posted:If that doesn't blow your mind, have a look at the rerelease's (black) cover. There's a major plot point staring at you and you'd never know it until you read the book. Eh. Actually, I find it a bit less clever: Given it's on the cover, meta logic dictates it have to be useful or relevant to the plot. The back cover blurb, on the other hand, is really innocuous, still on plain sight, but utterly unremarkable.
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Care to share for those of us who are filthy Americans cursed with owning lovely paperback copies with awful cover art?
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Lugubrious posted:Care to share for those of us who are filthy Americans cursed with owning lovely paperback copies with awful cover art? The cover has a candle.
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YggiDee posted:The cover has a candle. That's kind of neat, mine just has a couple of footprints.
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Mines got a bunch of blobby people looking angry at what appears to be a man made of peanut butter... ... KIRBY!!! 
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Moist von Lipwig posted:Mines got a bunch of blobby people looking angry at what appears to be a man made of peanut butter... Same. However, it is the one that have thehint I was talking about, so it is not all bad. Though I do think that, while Kirby's covers were amazing for the first few books, as they are quite caricatural and thus lend themself well to the fantasy parody that Discworld was then, Kidby's covers fits a lot better the more serious Discworld. Nightwatch's cover, for exemple, is an absolutely brillant piece of work. Iceclaw fucked around with this message at 17:55 on Aug 20, 2010 |
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