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Lone Rogue posted:It makes the Attitude Era even more difficult to watch, as if Beaver Cleavage vs. Droz was easy on the eyes to begin with. See I differentiate between early attitude era and late attitude era. EARLY (97-99): Austin getting over like loving crazy, feud with McMahon, Rock gets his big push. Everything else was lovely. LATE (00-01): Tag teams catch fire with the Hardys, E&C, Dudleys, and others, Rock becomes world famous and hosts SNL, storylines made sense and weren't (always) Crash TV bullshit It has nothing to do with any questions but that's my take on the issue. Not all of the attitude era was hot garbage.
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The best part of them having to go from WWF to WWE was the Bobby Heenan comment during his HOF speech.
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CVagts posted:The best part of them having to go from WWF to WWE was the Bobby Heenan comment during his HOF speech.
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Bikeage posted:Why the hell is Papa Shango there? "For our legends shirt, we need six legends and one character who wasn't even that guys most popular gimmick."
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I've been watching the 2009 Royal Rumble and got to thinking: are there any matches similar to the Rumble held by other promotions?
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Karmine posted:See I differentiate between early attitude era and late attitude era. Fair enough. I guess everything up until the Chris Kreski era was a lot of luck and a lot of poo poo.
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Aug 23, 2010 03:02
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Why was Chris Kreski replaced as head writer?
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It's amazing that WWE and WCW were nearly opposites in that during alot of the head to head era WCW's midcard and cruiserweights were tearing it up every night and their main events were awful - and WWE was pretty awful for everything but the main events which were pretty good.
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DannoMack posted:Why was Chris Kreski replaced as head writer? 2000-ish was really when Stephanie began to take a far more active role in the backstage operations of the company, and eventually Vince decided that she should be running creative. I'm pretty sure he still hung around as a contributor for another two years or so, but getting demoted and replaced by the boss's daughter has to sting, I would imagine.
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Space Cob posted:I've been watching the 2009 Royal Rumble and got to thinking: are there any matches similar to the Rumble held by other promotions? WarGames, kind of. Two teams of wrestlers with staggered entries into two rings surrounded by a cage, meaning one team would get the early advantage but the other team would have the freshest man to enter the ring by the end. You couldn't eliminate somebody until all wrestlers had entered the ring, at which point I believe it shifted to Elimination Rules. I won't even go into TNA's Reverse Battle Royale, though....
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TNA had (possibly still has) Gauntlet matches, which were battle royal/Royal Rumble elimination rules until the final 2, when it became pinfall/submission for the win.
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Jerusalem posted:WarGames, kind of. I've always heard about War Games (and how TNA basically hosed it up by making the faces get the advantage) but I never actually sat down and watched one. Is there one that stands out as the best? I'd love to watch the idea done right as I bet with the right stables it could be gold.
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Jerusalem posted:Two teams of wrestlers with staggered entries into two rings surrounded by a cage, meaning one team would get the early advantage but the other team would have the freshest man to enter the ring by the end. You couldn't eliminate somebody until all wrestlers had entered the ring, at which point I believe it shifted to Elimination Rules. Yes, except it wasn't elimination, it ended as soon as any member of either team submitted or surrendered (no pins, no disqualifications and obviously no countouts). Space Cob posted:I've always heard about War Games (and how TNA basically hosed it up by making the faces get the advantage) but I never actually sat down and watched one. WarGames '92 was popular last time I linked it: part one and part two.
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Space Cob posted:I've always heard about War Games (and how TNA basically hosed it up by making the faces get the advantage) but I never actually sat down and watched one. Wargames from Wrestlewar 1991 and Wargames from Wrestlewar 1992 were both rated ***** by Meltzer
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Jerusalem posted:I won't even go into TNA's Reverse Battle Royale, though.... I don't see why you wouldn't, I hear they are really very simple.
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tzirean posted:Yes, except it wasn't elimination, it ended as soon as any member of either team submitted or surrendered (no pins, no disqualifications and obviously no countouts). Laaaaaaaame.
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Mr. Carlisle posted:It's amazing that WWE and WCW were nearly opposites in that during alot of the head to head era WCW's midcard and cruiserweights were tearing it up every night and their main events were awful - and WWE was pretty awful for everything but the main events which were pretty good. And then toward the end Raw was really good top to bottom and all of WCW was terrible!
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Karmine posted:And then toward the end Raw was really good top to bottom and all of WCW was terrible!
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Space Cob posted:I've been watching the 2009 Royal Rumble and got to thinking: are there any matches similar to the Rumble held by other promotions? What about WCW's World War 3?
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World War 3 was a pretty standard battle royal, though. Just on a large scale.
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Just based on that one we watched a few months ago for a "Sunday Nitro", it was a neat concept but a loving pain to watch with the camerawork/setup of the time. They cut it into three cameras showing all the action all the time, making it difficult to actually follow anything and missing a ton of action/eliminations.
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Timby posted:2000-ish was really when Stephanie began to take a far more active role in the backstage operations of the company, and eventually Vince decided that she should be running creative. I'm pretty sure he still hung around as a contributor for another two years or so, but getting demoted and replaced by the boss's daughter has to sting, I would imagine. He was also constantly derided as a geek and a nerd for making storyboards for the angles he'd write.
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Was WCW the only group to use multiple rings in matches?
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Rusty Shackelford posted:What about WCW's World War 3? I think I watched this once. Wasn't fun though 
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projecthalaxy posted:Was WCW the only group to use multiple rings in matches? When Mick Foley won the Deathmatch Tournament in Japan, the show used 3 rings, mainly to transition from one match to another quickly while barbed wire and body parts were collected in the other two.
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Captain Charisma posted:He was also constantly derided as a geek and a nerd for making storyboards for the angles he'd write. Which is funny, because Brian Gewirtz was the guy Stephanie pushed up to take Kreski's place and he's like the kind of all nerds.
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I just looked up the rules to a reverse battle royal. My head hurts.
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Sotar posted:I just looked up the rules to a reverse battle royal. My head hurts. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rKlNp7frkGc Watching it is even worse.
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Best part of that match is Sonjay Dutt realizing nobody is around him. It would be stupid for him to not go into the ring, so he goes to climb in but he SLIPS. Happens at 4:55. Also Storm SNEAKING his way into the ring. HulkaMatt fucked around with this message at 08:05 on Aug 23, 2010 |
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I just watched it, and it wasn't that bad... -ish. The reverse battle royal idea is an interesting idea, but poorly executed. If they'd started the 16 guys from outside the arena, as opposed to four feet away from the ring, it could have been like a fun little foot race to the ring. Ignoring the fact that they could have just started things off as an 8 man battle royal, and still had the resentment between AMW, the battle royal was fun to watch. I don't watch TNA, so I had no idea who was going to win, so the result was surprising, at least. I wish they'd stuck to the rules in the intro though. - 16 Man Reverse Battle Royal - 8 Man Normal Battle Royal - Last 2 men have a match to determine the number one contender. Instead, the rules get changed into that complicated "seeding a tournament" confusion, which really subtracted from what was going on in the ring. Kazarian, the Motor City Machinguns and god help me, Lance Hoyt looked REALLY good. Of course, knowing Russo, the number eight seed probably beat number one, making the whole thing moot, and stupid. It's a fun time waster match; but that's inexcusable when you have as many wrestlers on the roster as TNA does. At least Kevin Nash didn't win?
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NutShellBill posted:Of course, knowing Russo, the number eight seed probably beat number one, making the whole thing moot, and stupid. Well, actually... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fight_for_the_Right_Tournament#2007_2 Yes. That's exactly what happened. It also includes the semi-final match between Christian and Chris Harris, neither of whom were in the quarter-finals.
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Chilly McFreeze posted:Made this up pretty quick: You're awesome- just sent you a PM!
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NutShellBill posted:I just watched it, and it wasn't that bad... -ish. YEP!!! Even though James Storm shouldn't be last place since he made it to... the final part. Also here was the lovely tournament:  It was terrible. The match was terrible. HulkaMatt fucked around with this message at 09:05 on Aug 23, 2010 |
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How the hell did Chris Harris and Christian Cage get into the semi-finals?
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Sotar posted:How the hell did Chris Harris and Christian Cage get into the semi-finals? Someone figured that no one wanted to watch Rikishi sit on Sabin for five minutes, I guess.
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Sotar posted:How the hell did Chris Harris and Christian Cage get into the semi-finals? Well you see a graphic was shown telling us that Shelley and Sabin were OUT and Fatu held the company up for money (they didn't sign him to a contract before putting him in this tournament) so they just threw two random guys into the semis!
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The worst part of that is Robert Roode and Rikishi had a 15 minute match??! I think Beer Money are awesome, but Roode was so so dull as a singles wrestler. I think he gets really overlooked when talking about most improved wrestlers.
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CVagts posted:The best part of them having to go from WWF to WWE was the Bobby Heenan comment during his HOF speech. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eSCof4UYwb4 text answer: He says WWF, then realizes he's not 'allowed' to say those initials, and goes off thusly: "You want to talk about wildlife...when I came here, they had the three Freebirds. They had the Junkyard Dog, Mad Dog, two Bulldogs, a little...Matilda, a guy with another dog...you had two Killer Bees, you had a guy with a snake, you had a Hawaiian guy with a lizard...and to top it off, I'm the Weasel, doing commentary with a Gorilla!"
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oldskool posted:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eSCof4UYwb4 text answer: He says WWF, then realizes he's not 'allowed' to say those initials, and goes off thusly: "You want to talk about wildlife...when I came here, they had the three Freebirds. They had the Junkyard Dog, Mad Dog, two Bulldogs, a little...Matilda, a guy with another dog...you had two Killer Bees, you had a guy with a snake, you had a Hawaiian guy with a lizard...and to top it off, I'm the Weasel, doing commentary with a Gorilla!" [/quote] Bobby Heenan needs an Own Zone.
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Edwardian posted:Bobby Heenan needs an Own Zone. Bobby Heenan IS the Own Zone. Seriously, I love you Bobby. 
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