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G-Mawwwwwww
Jan 31, 2003

My LPth are Hot Garbage
Biscuit Hider
I'm going to teach a course called "Go gently caress Yourself: A Practical Approach to Civil Procedure."

Also: "Legal Research, Adv: It's Called Westlaw, You Dumb Bastard."

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Roger_Mudd
Jul 18, 2003

Buglord
I'll teach the following classes:

"Using advanced StarCraft 2 techniques in trial"
"The laws of Civilization 4"

JudicialRestraints
Oct 26, 2007

Are you a LAWYER? Because I'll have you know I got GOOD GRADES in LAW SCHOOL last semester. Don't even try to argue THE LAW with me.
"Internet Law"

The entire class will just be about regulations on the porn industry.

Phil Moscowitz
Feb 19, 2007

If blood be the price of admiralty,
Lord God, we ha' paid in full!

Draile posted:

That's not what I mean. If I can continue my membership for free until they cancel for me, without any consequences for doing so, then I get more out of my membership than if I just cancel right now.

So why do you think the Internet will give you a better answer to that question than just calling them and asking?

JudicialRestraints
Oct 26, 2007

Are you a LAWYER? Because I'll have you know I got GOOD GRADES in LAW SCHOOL last semester. Don't even try to argue THE LAW with me.

Phil Moscowitz posted:

So why do you think the Internet will give you a better answer to that question than just calling them and asking?

But then they'll be on to him!

nm
Jan 28, 2008

"I saw Minos the Space Judge holding a golden sceptre and passing sentence upon the Martians. There he presided, and around him the noble Space Prosecutors sought the firm justice of space law."
I think we need more practical classes. The problem with law school is that it does not prepare students for the real world. Modest proposals:
1. Advanced Doc Review. Teaching students how to milk every possible penny from contract doc review
2. Unemployment Law. Teaching students exactly when and how they can collect unemployment. Bonus primer to bullshit social security disability claims.
3. Food Law. When dumpster driving, who gets the bread that is till in the bag and who gets the lettuce covered in spoiled meat.
4. Housing Law. How to drag out the eviction process long enough that you can move back in with mom and dad.1
5. Starbucks Law. How to make a perfect half-caf caramel macchiato. Students who do well in this course will get an unpaid internship at the starbucks in the basement. If they get hired fulltime they will be our only alums with health insurance.

Phil Moscowitz
Feb 19, 2007

If blood be the price of admiralty,
Lord God, we ha' paid in full!
Gaming timesheet entries: the art of making up for lost time
Management 115 - Billing for your secretary's work (without being subjected to her personal life)
The Liquor Drawer
Planning your Escape - how to avoid getting shot at your desk by a disgruntled former client

quepasa18
Oct 13, 2005

HooKars posted:

First day of being employed!

Had two other people start with me as Associates - both recent local T2 grads who just passed the bar, neither of whom summered with the firm and neither seemed like they had too much summer experience. One mentioned working as a paralegal.

Soooo I guess you never know? Thought I'd give people some hope.

Welcome back to the working world!

My classes started a couple of weeks ago, and this non-law firm life is pretty awesome. Yesterday, I got up at 10 and today I got up at 9. I teach until 9pm, so that kinda sucks, but I'm not going to complain.

Alaemon
Jan 4, 2009

Proctors are guardians of the sanctity and integrity of legal education, therefore they are responsible for the nourishment of the soul.

entris posted:

This is a joke, right?

You think the course selections at Goon Law are a joke? I should report you to... whoever is in charge of the honor code!

lipstick thespian
Sep 20, 2005

by Ozmaugh
Day two of the new semester and I'm pretty much completely done with the work I need to do on insolvency for the entire year. That's half the courseload I have. Which means that for the next twenty or so socratic lessons I'm going to be working on completely unrelated assignments or (more likely) just play minecraft. Feels good man.


Edit: Actually, I probably could do better than minecraft. What's the perfect game to play on boring lessons about useless poo poo (ie every lesson in law school :smug: ). I need a game that is 1) old as hell and runs on my lovely EePC, 2) not too reliant on sound, 3) fun to play. I'm thinking Sid Meier's Alpha Centauri if I can get it to run, but suggestions are welcome.

lipstick thespian fucked around with this message at 17:38 on Aug 31, 2010

Roger_Mudd
Jul 18, 2003

Buglord

Alaemon posted:

the honor code!

There is no honor at our school sir!

entris
Oct 22, 2008

by Y Kant Ozma Post

Alaemon posted:

You think the course selections at Goon Law are a joke? I should report you to... whoever is in charge of the honor code!

I hereby nominate myself.

code:
Article I.  Permissible Uses of Black Highlighters on Library Materials
I.A.  Rule Relaxed during Finals Week

Article II.  Duty to Report Cheating - 
II.A.  General Rule - No Duty
II.B.  Exception: Is She Hot but won't Date You?
II.C.  Exception: Is the Offender URM and Probably Here on Affirmative Action?
II.D.  Exception: Gunners

Article III.  Use of Others' Outlines
III.A.  With Permission
III.A.1. Standard Fees and Licensing Costs Permitted
III.A.2. Reliance on Outline and Poor Grades - Causes of Action

III.B.  Without Permission
III.B.1. Exception: If Your Study Partner is a Douchebag

Article IV.  Cohabitation
IV.A.  With Professors
IV.A.1. Exception: Hot Adjuncts 
IV.A.2. Exception: You Really Need An A
IV.B.  With Students
IV.B.1.  Pity Fucks
IV.B.2.  Finals Week - Multiple Partners

Article V.  Substance Use
V.A.  Alcohol
V.A.1.  Replacements for Standard Issue Jameson
V.A.2.  Special Rule: People Too Pussy to drink it from the bottle
V.B.  Drugs - Please See Chapters 2 through 10 in the "How to Excel" Student Handbook.

Article VI.  Murder and Lesser Physical Violences
VI.A.  Against Professors - General Rule
VI.A.1.  Exception: His Grades Are, Like, Totally Arbitrary
VI.B.  Against Students - General Rule
VI.B.1.  Exception: Gunners
VI.B.2.  Exception: That Guy Who Never Shows Up But Gets A's

WhiskeyJuvenile
Feb 15, 2002

by Nyc_Tattoo

quote:

That Guy Who Never Shows Up But Gets A's

I literally lost my best law school friend after my 3L year over this but w/r/t the bar exam

Petey
Nov 26, 2005

For who knows what is good for a person in life, during the few and meaningless days they pass through like a shadow? Who can tell them what will happen under the sun after they are gone?

Konstantin posted:

I think our new law school should offer a specialization in Internet Law. That ought to get a lot of the 0Ls to register.

JudicialRestraints posted:

"Internet Law"

The entire class will just be about regulations on the porn industry.

callin dis

nm
Jan 28, 2008

"I saw Minos the Space Judge holding a golden sceptre and passing sentence upon the Martians. There he presided, and around him the noble Space Prosecutors sought the firm justice of space law."

entris posted:

I hereby nominate myself.

code:
Article I.  Permissible Uses of Black Highlighters on Library Materials
I.A.  Rule Relaxed during Finals Week

Article II.  Duty to Report Cheating - 
II.A.  General Rule - No Duty
II.B.  Exception: Is She Hot but won't Date You?
II.C.  Exception: Is the Offender URM and Probably Here on Affirmative Action?
II.D.  Exception: Gunners

Article III.  Use of Others' Outlines
III.A.  With Permission
III.A.1. Standard Fees and Licensing Costs Permitted
III.A.2. Reliance on Outline and Poor Grades - Causes of Action

III.B.  Without Permission
III.B.1. Exception: If Your Study Partner is a Douchebag

Article IV.  Cohabitation
IV.A.  With Professors
IV.A.1. Exception: Hot Adjuncts 
IV.A.2. Exception: You Really Need An A
IV.B.  With Students
IV.B.1.  Pity Fucks
IV.B.2.  Finals Week - Multiple Partners

Article V.  Substance Use
V.A.  Alcohol
V.A.1.  Replacements for Standard Issue Jameson
V.A.2.  Special Rule: People Too Pussy to drink it from the bottle
V.B.  Drugs - Please See Chapters 2 through 10 in the "How to Excel" Student Handbook.

Article VI.  Murder and Lesser Physical Violences
VI.A.  Against Professors - General Rule
VI.A.1.  Exception: His Grades Are, Like, Totally Arbitrary
VI.B.  Against Students - General Rule
VI.B.1.  Exception: Gunners
VI.B.2.  Exception: That Guy Who Never Shows Up But Gets A's


second

Kase Im Licht
Jan 26, 2001
How has no one called creepy professor that sleeps with all the easily impressed 1L girls?

Dibs. Motherfucking dibs.

All I need is an important sounding 1L class.

nm
Jan 28, 2008

"I saw Minos the Space Judge holding a golden sceptre and passing sentence upon the Martians. There he presided, and around him the noble Space Prosecutors sought the firm justice of space law."

Kase Im Licht posted:

How has no one called creepy professor that sleeps with all the easily impressed 1L girls?

Dibs. Motherfucking dibs.

All I need is an important sounding 1L class.
Constitutional Law

You can just make poo poo up and sound smart.

Though property has its advantages because people want As without having to learn that bullshit no one uses.

joat mon
Oct 15, 2009

I am the master of my lamp;
I am the captain of my tub.
Would "Pathological Self Entitlement" be a course or a prerequisite?

And drat that Grundy whipper-snapper for snatching the emeritus spot from my soft but gnarled hands. If only I weren't so slow on this confounded electronical amusement-box!

I even had my Trial Advocacy text picked out:



1. Ambition of Young Lawyers.- Every newly admitted lawyer has an ambition to become a famous trial lawyer. He looks forward to the time, in his career, when he will cause those in attendance at court to marvel at his ability and enquire who the talented attorney is.
5. Young lawyer is handicapped.- The novice who begins the practice of law is handicapped. He lacks clients, practice and experience. He is timid and has no confidence in his ability of judgment. Those who come for advice, or to employ him, inevitably have no money, because those with money retain an experienced lawyer. Thus, the rising lawyer must virtually starve while attempting to give the best that is in him, and often to a charity client.


CHAPTER XXI. THE FEMALE WITNESS
239. Cross-examination.-
The advocate who is to cross-examine the female witness is confronted with a grave and intricate situation, for no man has yet lived who could fathom the depths of a woman's mind. From the prophets of old, to those of the present day, all have been extremely silent in stating rules of psychology that particularly refer or relate to women.
...
She is not a natural born reasoner, is not logical, but relies almost entirely upon intuition, and when you consider how often she is right, it is remarkable.
A beautiful female, shapely, vivacious, with fascinating and hypnotic eye, well-groomed and attractively dressed, is a dangerous witness to cross-examine before a jury. Some say "it can't be done" because she will flirt with the elder juror and at the proper time weep for the younger, and play for sympathy and preferment from the judge.


CHAPTER XXIX. THE UNFORTUNATE TYPES OF WITNESSES
294. The unsuccessful.
The unsuccessful man finds fault with conditions in general and complains that everything and everyone is against him. He changes from one vocation to the other and continually criticizes the way of the world; if he is a dependent and in an institution, which is frequently the case, the institution is not run properly. He is a chronic kicker because he is a failure.
...
He is pessimistic, sarcastic, bitter and envious of the success of others. He lives in the past and takes pleasure in having a good listener, such as a wife, relative or a friend, but seldom more than one person, to pour out his narrow view of life and complain of things in general.
...
(b)Direct examination.- The lawyer who calls such a witness has a difficult task before him for this type of witness is narrow in his views, ignorant, exacting, technical and stubborn.
...
(c)Cross-examination.-...He will, under proper questioning, show his bitterness toward the world, his envy of the successful man, and forget all the caution given him before the trial, for he is an egoist, and a pessimist.

Lawyer & Law School Megathread #13: The unsuccessful

entris
Oct 22, 2008

by Y Kant Ozma Post
Oh my god joat man I want a copy of that book.

That is gold.

nm
Jan 28, 2008

"I saw Minos the Space Judge holding a golden sceptre and passing sentence upon the Martians. There he presided, and around him the noble Space Prosecutors sought the firm justice of space law."

entris posted:

Oh my god joat man I want a copy of that book.

That is gold.

There is a 1995 reprint for sale on amazon. Well there was, then I bought it
Some used copies
http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/0899419763/ref=dp_olp_used?ie=UTF8&condition=used

Ainsley McTree
Feb 19, 2004


Solomon Grundy posted:

I would like to reserve a spot as the doddering old professor emeritus. I will teach two classes a semester, admiralty law and personal tax, even though I have never practiced in either area. I don't even do my own taxes. Due to my age, I will add some gravitas to you whipper-snappers. I will wear old guy hats and drive a 1985 Chrysler New Yorker to campus. I will call students by wrong names all year long. I will not allow students to "pass" in class, because that is not how we did it when I was a student. Not only will laptops be banned, cell phones will be collected at the door. I will teach with lecture and socratic method only, no powerpoint or other fancy teaching aids. The books I assign will have last been printed in the mid 1960's.

I had a civ pro professor who, in order to get our participation credits, required us to write it down on an index card whenever we spoke up in class and file it with his secretary so he'd remember it.

wish i were kidding about that

entris
Oct 22, 2008

by Y Kant Ozma Post

nm posted:

There is a 1995 reprint for sale on amazon. Well there was, then I bought it
Some used copies
http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/0899419763/ref=dp_olp_used?ie=UTF8&condition=used

1995? Uh, no. If I'm going to by a book that brazenly misogynistic and classist, then I'm getting one that is authentic. Not some lame reprint.

Ainsley McTree
Feb 19, 2004


quote:

The unsuccessful. The unsuccessful man finds fault with conditions in general and complains that everything and everyone is against him...continually criticizes the way of the world...He is pessimistic, sarcastic, bitter and envious of the success of others. He lives in the past and takes pleasure in having a good listener, such as a wife, relative or a friend, but seldom more than one person, to pour out his narrow view of life and complain of things in general.

Well that's just....hmm

nm
Jan 28, 2008

"I saw Minos the Space Judge holding a golden sceptre and passing sentence upon the Martians. There he presided, and around him the noble Space Prosecutors sought the firm justice of space law."

entris posted:

1995? Uh, no. If I'm going to by a book that brazenly misogynistic and classist, then I'm getting one that is authentic. Not some lame reprint.
Beggers can't be choosers.

I'm going to antique it.

Leif.
Mar 27, 2005

Son of the Defender
Formerly Diplomaticus/SWATJester

Konstantin posted:

I think our new law school should offer a specialization in Internet Law. That ought to get a lot of the 0Ls to register.

I'm literally already writing a chapter of the textbook on this. No, really.

Petey
Nov 26, 2005

For who knows what is good for a person in life, during the few and meaningless days they pass through like a shadow? Who can tell them what will happen under the sun after they are gone?

SWATJester posted:

I'm literally already writing a chapter of the textbook on this. No, really.

Isn't that what Lessig is for?

Neon Belly
Feb 12, 2008

I need something stronger.

Neon Belly fucked around with this message at 22:50 on Aug 1, 2016

Ainsley McTree
Feb 19, 2004


poo poo they're on to us

nm
Jan 28, 2008

"I saw Minos the Space Judge holding a golden sceptre and passing sentence upon the Martians. There he presided, and around him the noble Space Prosecutors sought the firm justice of space law."

Gadamer posted:

What should be taken from this thread, I guess, is if you're not a miserable human being before law school, don't expect that to be the case when you graduate.
Fixed

Unless you go to Goon Law School. At Goon Law School, we care about your professional and human development.*

*As long as the $50k checks don't bounce

CmdrSmirnoff
Oct 27, 2005
happy happy happy happy happy happy happy happy happy
instead of classes and curricula and concentrations we should just have tech trees

Leif.
Mar 27, 2005

Son of the Defender
Formerly Diplomaticus/SWATJester

Petey posted:

Isn't that what Lessig is for?

Lessig is general; my book is specific to MMORPGs and Virtual Worlds.

Petey
Nov 26, 2005

For who knows what is good for a person in life, during the few and meaningless days they pass through like a shadow? Who can tell them what will happen under the sun after they are gone?

SWATJester posted:

Lessig is general; my book is specific to MMORPGs and Virtual Worlds.

yesssss

You'll upstage Julian Dibbell, who - let's not forget - is YLS '13.

Leif.
Mar 27, 2005

Son of the Defender
Formerly Diplomaticus/SWATJester

Petey posted:

yesssss

You'll upstage Julian Dibbell, who - let's not forget - is YLS '13.

I bounced some ideas off him when I was a 3L.

Incredulous Red
Mar 25, 2008

Question: can we make select students eligible to work as strippers as part of our law school work/study program?

Leif.
Mar 27, 2005

Son of the Defender
Formerly Diplomaticus/SWATJester

Incredulous Red posted:

Question: can we make select students eligible to work as strippers as part of our law school work/study program?

They can be dean's fellows in the office of career development, doing a joint degree in hospitality industry.

Ainsley McTree
Feb 19, 2004


Incredulous Red posted:

Question: can we make select students eligible to work as strippers as part of our law school work/study program?

Now you're just being ridiculous

Incredulous Red
Mar 25, 2008

Ainsley McTree posted:

Now you're just being ridiculous

I'm the dean of students, and I'm rubber stamping this despite your petty incredulity

E: they can get their financial aid paid for in dollar bills

joat mon
Oct 15, 2009

I am the master of my lamp;
I am the captain of my tub.

Incredulous Red posted:

Question: can we make select students eligible to work as strippers as part of our law school work/study program?

A lap dance is so much better when the stripper is paying your salary.

But really, I think stripping should be reserved for graduates, so that Goon Law School can boast 100% post-graduation employment. Also, the Environmental Law prof needs to have a lawn care business on the side for the same purpose.


CHAPTER XXIX. THE UNFORTUNATE TYPES OF WITNESSES
291. The prostitute.-
To be compelled to call this type of witness, for direct examination, is indeed unfortunate, when her reputation is known, for it casts a doubt upon the truth of her statements.
...
The method of examination and the treatment is the same as an ordinary female, with the following few additions.
It is dangerous to call such a witness for if the opponent should probe her past he will throw doubt upon her veracity, except insofar as it may be corroborated by other witnesses, so the first rule is not to call such a type if you can prove your case by any other means.

e:late 90's song names

joat mon fucked around with this message at 21:18 on Aug 31, 2010

G-Mawwwwwww
Jan 31, 2003

My LPth are Hot Garbage
Biscuit Hider
Get this bullshit.

My boss hired his daughter to help the two other clerks on medical records. Oh, and to make a business plan.

...

HE'S A loving PLAINTIFF'S ATTORNEY.

Step 1. Get cases.
Step 2. Put up with bullshit.
Step 3. Settle cases.
Step 4. If not settled, win cases.

JESUS.

As soon as my January arbitration is over I'm jumping ship to the first legal mal firm who'll take me.

She actually asked me, "So wait, what is it you do here? I never see you helping with medical records."

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Eric Cantonese
Dec 21, 2004

You should hear my accent.

CaptainScraps posted:

Get this bullshit.

My boss hired his daughter to help the two other clerks on medical records. Oh, and to make a business plan.

...

HE'S A loving PLAINTIFF'S ATTORNEY.

Step 1. Get cases.
Step 2. Put up with bullshit.
Step 3. Settle cases.
Step 4. If not settled, win cases.

JESUS.

As soon as my January arbitration is over I'm jumping ship to the first legal mal firm who'll take me.

She actually asked me, "So wait, what is it you do here? I never see you helping with medical records."

Huh. Is the firm not doing well?

Perhaps he does need more focused efforts on getting good cases through his door.

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