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WampaLord posted:I did. I wanted to ask a ton, but plenty of other people had questions to ask. The question I asked was for Zahn, and it was regarding his feelings about Mara's death. You would think that they would need to get Zhan's consent to do poo poo like that. He is solely responsible for the resurgence of Star Wars in the early 90s. I would think he holds some sway at Lucasbooks. And I'm all ears to more stories.
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:You would think that they would need to get Zhan's consent to do poo poo like that. He is solely responsible for the resurgence of Star Wars in the early 90s. I would think he holds some sway at Lucasbooks. It's more than that, he INVENTED the EU in essence. And it wasn't so much Lucasfilm that made that decision, it was when the license passed from Bantem to Del Rey Books, that Del Rey basically said "gently caress all the old authors, we're doing whatever we want with your poo poo!" I'll post another story or two later, but basically, the other panel I went to was "Adult Themes in Star Wars." Extrapolate from there.
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WampaLord posted:"Adult Themes in Star Wars." Extrapolate from there. So, like, paying bills, repainting your kitchen, opening an IRA, that kind of thing? edit: now I can't stop hearing "I have diversified the portfolio. Pray that I do not alter it any further." There's something loving wrong with me.
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Big Mean Jerk posted:Oh yeah, it's definitely a step above LOTF. It just seems like the non-Allston authors keep falling back into the same traps that made LOTF suck. If anyone's interesting in bitching to Troy Denning about LOTF then he's posted in this thread on TFN: Troy Denning posted:Marmkid posted: "I think Denning is the one who decided to ignore the Vong, as isnt he the one who was behind the main overall stories of DN, LotF and now FotJ?" My reply: quote:Ouch. I mean, I'm sure there's more to it than this, but it almost sounds like you built an entire, 9-book series around a gimmick idea. One that did not necessarily make sense considering his character's journey in the NJO (which, like Jaina's development, was seemingly cast to one side), hence FOTJ(which I'm enjoying like a glass of milk after a particularly intolerable curry)'s search-for-why-Jacen-went-bad, which I interpret (rightly or wrongly) as a concession of this.
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I fully support retconning the EU back to immediately after The Unifying Force. The NJO set up an entire new galaxy for Star Wars authors to write in, one that had almost unlimited potential. It did it's job of having a "changing of the guard" so to speak of the younger generation coming into the forefront with the Big 3 taking a more secondary role. Jacen especially was all set up take up the title as the main Jedi protagonist. They completely threw all the massive character and plot development away and instead decided to do stupid poo poo. The Big 3 are still the total focus of the books and the younger generation is almost all entirely dead. The entire point of the NJO, to bring Star Wars EU into a new age, was completely abandoned. Retards.
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WampaLord posted:I did. I wanted to ask a ton, but plenty of other people had questions to ask. The question I asked was for Zahn, and it was regarding his feelings about Mara's death. The sad thing about Mara is that, like all relationships in Star Wars, her marriage with look was a total Lois & Clark, which resulted in her character stagnating. The damning indictment of the way her character has been misused is to say that Luke is a much more interesting character with Mara out of the way. And I say that through gritted teeth because I hate anything that alters the happily-ever-after implication of ROTJ or the significance of the victory(including the following: life-ruining events for the main characters, such as losing a wife or 2/3rds of their offspring; the Sith returning and re-taking the galaxy only a couple of generations after the end of the GCW, when the galaxy has previously enjoyed millennia or peace far less earned) Shimrra Jamaane posted:I fully support retconning the EU back to immediately after The Unifying Force. The NJO set up an entire new galaxy for Star Wars authors to write in, one that had almost unlimited potential. It did it's job of having a "changing of the guard" so to speak of the younger generation coming into the forefront with the Big 3 taking a more secondary role. Jacen especially was all set up take up the title as the main Jedi protagonist. My thoughts, practically word-for-word.
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Am I weird for wishing that Mara and Luke got a Jedi divorce?
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I think my biggest Issue with the EU as it is now is that(as of Stopping at Legacy of the Force) the people who write want to tell us and sperg about every minute in the galaxy. I don't want to read about Luke and company talking about politics and having dinner like how LoTF starts. I want to read them having stupid adventures and flying about real fast in space. Star Wars is a lovely medium for stuff like that cause no one seems able to write it.
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Troy Denning posted:Regarding FotJ: both the core idea for this series and the initial development came from someone else. I haven’t seen them acknowledge this publicly yet, so I’m not going to say who. But I do want to make clear it wasn’t me. I think it’s a tremendous story, and I’m very excited about where it’s going and how we’re going to wrap it up. It's obviously Allston's series and it shows. Big jump in quality. I just wish Wedge and/or the other Rogues would show up.
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WampaLord posted:He basically said that she was a great character who still had plenty of use in her, and that Star Wars isn't really the kind of universe where you kill off people just to "up the drama." Once again, Zahn proves that he is one of the only people who gets Star Wars EU. Stover manages to write a darker, more dramatic novel than anyone else in the EU. And does it without killing off someone else's characters
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One of the things I disliked most about the LotF after reading through it recently was Tahiri's character. Throughout the entire NJO series, she develops into this interesting character that comes to grip with Anakin's death. Then she does a complete 180 in the LotF series and whines the entire time. Does she become any more tolerable in the FotJ series?
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Dalaram posted:One of the things I disliked most about the LotF after reading through it recently was Tahiri's character. Throughout the entire NJO series, she develops into this interesting character that comes to grip with Anakin's death. Then she does a complete 180 in the LotF series and whines the entire time. Does she become any more tolerable in the FotJ series? Another example of the EU completely dropping the ball. Tahiri should have been a main hero after the NJO, not a weird freak.
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I want a nine book series by Zahn, Stackpole, and Stover. Set during the GCW. That has no Luke, Leia but maybe Han in it. 
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Throb Robinson posted:I want a nine book series by Zahn, Stackpole, and Stover. What characters will they use then? They kind of killed them all.
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So I just played through Dark Forces for the first time in maybe 13-14 years and you know what? Aside from the obvious graphics aging, it's aged pretty well. I miss these kinds of Star Wars games. This game had a ton going for it, and still does... -Takes place during the Original Trilogy, at the height of the civil war, which I think most of us can agree is probably the best time period/era throughout the entire series. -You're not a jedi(until the sequel anyways) and you're pretty much on equal terms with every enemy you come up against, except for Stormtroopers cause we all know how they aim anyways  -The story is multitudes better than the majority of poo poo that gets thrown around the EU universe. No Mandalorian army's, no super Jedi's wrecking havoc. Just good, old fashioned Imperial genocidal fun. -You're not doing anything extremely unbelievable for what a character in the series could do (What's up The Force Unleashed and force crashing a loving Star Destroyer like it ain't no thing.) -You were essentially just a cog in the greater war machine, abet a bigger one than the standard rebel soldier or stormtrooper, but still, you weren't this end all be all character and that's what made the immersion factor work, at least for me. I loved the sequels, but they just didn't have the same bad rear end feel that the original did. The only other game I can think of that captured that essence was Republic Commando and the biggest fault I have against that game is that it takes place during the prequels and as a result, dealt with some lovely scenery. I can only imagine what Imperial Commando would have been like had it been made. I guess what I'm getting at is, I miss the late 90's Star Wars games because they stuck to the good stuff and weren't complete poo poo. Does anyone think these kinds of games will make a return or what?
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astr0man posted:Looked back a few pages and didn't see this posted - Ole Miss apparently actually tried to make Admiral Ackbar their official school mascot. Here's the ESPN commercial about it:
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Throb Robinson posted:They will have to get creative and make up some. The problem is of course that you can't just create some major characters out of thin air and have them be the focus of a 9 book series. They have to be introduced and developed until they can eventually take center stage. Of course the EU has written themselves into a corner so that they have no real choice but to suddenly create new characters and have them start. The EU doesn't have a good track record of that. Thankfully the EU is moving away from long series after FoTJ so they will have some time to develop many new characters in a bunch of independent books and trilogies. But I'm sure they will gently caress it up.
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The genius of my fictional series is that it wouldn't be a huge major galaxy changing story. It could be one of the millions of adventures that arn't on an epic scale...What am I saying? Of course all Star Wars books must top the last books. But how do you top Force Cthulu? As for bringing in new characters it should be easy enough. Just start the books off sort of slow, introduce new characters and have someone over at Lucasbooks say no when Denning thinks its an awesome idea to shoe horn them into "Current" day post Evil Jacen Star Wars. Just leave them to have a nice nine book one off adventure in GCW Star Wars land. After that they settle down or something that doesn't have them crossing the path of Luke and company.
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Boondock Saint posted:I loved the sequels, but they just didn't have the same bad rear end feel that the original did. The only other game I can think of that captured that essence was Republic Commando and the biggest fault I have against that game is that it takes place during the prequels and as a result, dealt with some lovely scenery. I can only imagine what Imperial Commando would have been like had it been made. After X-wing was followed by TIE Fighter, I really felt that Imperial Commando would be the logical sequel/follow-on to Dark Forces. Not that I'm sad we got Jedi Knight instead, but there was so much opportunity there for a really unique game. I guess it's only okay to play as a bad guy in a space sim.
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Boondock Saint posted:I loved the sequels, but they just didn't have the same bad rear end feel that the original did. The only other game I can think of that captured that essence was Republic Commando and the biggest fault I have against that game is that it takes place during the prequels and as a result, dealt with some lovely scenery. I can only imagine what Imperial Commando would have been like had it been made. I've been dreaming of a Call of Duty Modern Warfare 2 mod or spin off or something where its set in the Star Wars universe at the height of the GCW and you play as a series of different Stormtroopers or other Imperial specialist troops involved in the gritty fighting against the Rebel 'Terrorists' accross a number of worlds with varying environments. Including a city assault supported by AT-AT's and other light armour. Oh, and a wide variety of well modeled different blaster rifles, pistols.... *eyes mist over*
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DougieC posted:Blasting Troy Denning That is awesome what you wrote, but given the fact it's TFN, did a mod blank your post and/or ban you? Also, WampaLord, how did KJA seem while being on that panel with the two far superior authors?
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I would love a New Republic Commando set during the New Jedi Order. The centerpiece of the game would be the epic liberation of Coruscant where the commandos dropped onto the planet from space IE Halo ODST. Of course Lucasarts will never do anything like that.
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Tie Fighter remains the most compelling vision of the Empire ever shat out of the EU imo. I love that the main focus of the imperials is establishing Order in the galaxy by doing everything from taking out rebels to establishing outposts to ending local wars to putting down traitors. Lucas's idea of having the Republic turn into the Empire in the name of security is a good one, but you never get the sense that the galaxy is tired of war or is gripped by fear. Any plausible overthrow of a government has to include broad civilian support, and we got absolutely none of that in the prequels. Palpatine should have been Caesar - beloved by the people of the Republic even as the Senators fear his growing influence.
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TheLoquid posted:Palpatine should have been Caesar - beloved by the people of the Republic even as the Senators fear his growing influence. That Palpatine really only shows up in some of the prequel era novels. Particularly the RotS novelization.
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The general ideas of handling Palpatine's rise to power was one of the things that the prequels did right. It should have been less convoluted and... well stupid, but the idea that he manipulated a galaxy spanning war to construct the empire is pretty interesting.
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I agree. It's a shame that you never actually felt the consequences of a galaxy spanning war from an average person's point of view. The most we get are a few sad senators and some long faces from the Jedi. This could easily be rectified by having the enemies be an endless army of clones that forces the Republic to draft billions of young men. Maybe Anakin could have been a draftee who got picked out by Obi-Wan? Maybe Anakin had to watch his war buddies die in an endless war, which disillusioned him towards the Jedi way of peace and justice? There are so many ways the Prequels could have gone. Alas.
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Of course the EU has written themselves into a corner so that they have no real choice but to suddenly create new characters and have them start. They could always write a new series about Ahsoka's adventures after RotS. All Tano, all the time. 
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Diacritical Mark posted:They could always write a new series about Ahsoka's adventures after RotS. All Tano, all the time.  It's probably already being planned out. A 9 book series written by Denning, KJA, and Traviss.
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TheLoquid posted:I agree. It's a shame that you never actually felt the consequences of a galaxy spanning war from an average person's point of view. The most we get are a few sad senators and some long faces from the Jedi. Dammit, That version of the prequals sounds much more logical and plain awesome that the pile of generic flashy crap that is canon.
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Man you guys are really bumming me out. I need something to remind me why I love Star Wars... Oh. Here we go: http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1931187 An oldie but a goodie. Hilarious, reminds me of how awesome the OT was and the chick is banging, my mood has improved 1000 times over.
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TheLoquid posted:Tie Fighter remains the most compelling vision of the Empire ever shat out of the EU imo. I love that the main focus of the imperials is establishing Order in the galaxy by doing everything from taking out rebels to establishing outposts to ending local wars to putting down traitors. Gah, don't remind me. I still have dreams where I wake up to finding either the game's placed on steam with working versions for windows 7 or that Lucasarts actually goes ahead and releases a new Tie Fighter game that is awesome and just as good if not better than the original. I hate the fact that last year the former Lucasarts president said something to the effect of, stay tuned, we have news planned for the X-Wing/Tie Fighter games. I demand to know now what the hell he meant by that statement.
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Boondock Saint posted:Gah, don't remind me. I still have dreams where I wake up to finding either the game's placed on steam with working versions for windows 7 or that Lucasarts actually goes ahead and releases a new Tie Fighter game that is awesome and just as good if not better than the original. I'm guessing he no longer has a job and that the idea has been benched. That being said, I'm playing through Tie 95 on a Windows 7 PC at the moment without any problems (you just need to find a compatibility patch) and having a blast. There's also a TC for X-Wing Alliance that turns it into Tie Fighter(with all campaign missions) but I prefer to play it on an engine that allows me to speed up time inbetween action. On Sunday I played through the first four battles in about three hours and on Monday I dealt with that traitor Harkov.
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Ok that's it. http://www.creativeuncut.com/gallery-07/swfu-at-at-walker.html I'm so sick of these Star Wars.
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Mister_Eel posted:Ok that's it. Taco Bell has nothing on Starkiller.
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Mister_Eel posted:Ok that's it. It's a good thing he has two 30-feet lightsabers.
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Chairman Capone posted:That is awesome what you wrote, but given the fact it's TFN, did a mod blank your post and/or ban you? Actually, TFN seems pretty responsibly moderated at the moment. The dissatisfaction with the series, and also with Traviss, runs all the way to the top mods like Havac who let it run provided it's on-topic in the thread. In fact, the only moderation that I've seen occur recently has been in posts by pro-Traviss cretins (when Robimus turned to personal snipes after overwhelmingly failing to offer good defense of her works). I think a good portion of TFN lit forum's active membership consider LOTF the worst thing to ever happen the the EU, and can articulate it without stepping over the boundaries of fair criticism.
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This thread spends way too long getting all angry at the EU, being pissed off at horrible video games and cartoons. Lets just for a moment kick back and remember the three movies we all really love  when was the first time you watched star wars?Mine was when I was like, 8 or 9. We borrowed the tapes (in that sweet box with Vader's face on it) from a friend and I watched all three over 2 nights. I loved them at the time, even though I guess they were the ones that Lucas had added loads of poo poo into (and included a mini-documentary at the start of each one explaining where he'd added poo poo). I really loved Star Wars from that point on, I even watched Phantom Menace and "enjoyed" it. I just couldn't do it with Clone wars. since then I've watched those three movies hundreds of times. Watched all their influences (Hidden Fortress) and they still hold a special place for me, probably still one of my favourite movie series.
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Nemesis Of Moles posted:being pissed off at horrible video games
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