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Mookie posted:They were the only thing of value you got out of law school and you managed to gently caress even that up? I was drunk!
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My best friend works as a litigation lawyer in NY (Paul Weiss? I think it's pretty reputable). Every meetup with him always turns into a bitching session about life as a lawyer, how pay sucks, and how he wants to get out of the industry? I don't know anything about law so I'm wondering - why do people force themselves to work in a field which they seem to absolutely hate?
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Sep 12, 2010 21:33
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shrike82 posted:I don't know anything about law so I'm wondering - why do people force themselves to work in a field which they seem to absolutely hate? Everything we're told entering law school is a lie, while in law school we fall prey to the sunk cost fallacy, and after law school we're overqualified for any jobs that don't involve being a lawyer.
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CmdrSmirnoff posted:Everything we're told entering law school is a lie, while in law school we fall prey to the sunk cost fallacy, and after law school we're overqualified for any jobs that don't involve being a lawyer. and often underqualified for those that do
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Sep 12, 2010 23:39
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Question for those with experience: is it possible in a lawsuit/discovery to get a subpoena for information from a non-party, even if the non-party normally sells this information (say, under the FRCP), to avoid having to purchase it at market value? Assume there is no other source of the information and it is critical for the suit to proceed.
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TheBestDeception posted:Question for those with experience: is it possible in a lawsuit/discovery to get a subpoena for information from a non-party, even if the non-party normally sells this information (say, under the FRCP), to avoid having to purchase it at market value? Assume there is no other source of the information and it is critical for the suit to proceed. Well, technically speaking it should be subject to subpoena. But I have seen parties subpoena experts that they can't afford to pay, and the courts in my area have not sanctioned that practice. I also was party to a suit where a party supoenaed a local government in an effort to avoid the cost of requesting records under my state's public record act. The local government objected to the subpoena, and the judge made the party pay the statutory copy rate. As you analyze it, I assume you would issue a subpoena duces tecum, requesting the subpoenaed party to bring the material to your office to copy. They will object, then you will file a Motion to Compel, and then the subpoenaed party will respond with their demand for payment. At the very least, even if you win, expect a pretty draconian protective order limiting your ability to pass on the information.
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shrike82 posted:I don't know anything about law so I'm wondering - why do people force themselves to work in a field which they seem to absolutely hate? Ill-education and a wretched, low class culture. It's an irresistable pincer attack for most people, even when they know it's coming and literally make threads entitled "no jobs die alone."
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Thanks. I had seen a case relating to the medical records, too, but that specifically turned on the statutory rates, so not really what I'm looking for. On the other side, there are the non-party subpoenas for ISP's and copyright violators, but that's not something typically sold. How would they even object to the motion to compel? Wouldn't they have to argue it would unduly burden them (as an uninterested non-party)? Seems that their typical sale of the information would be proof that it isn't burdensome for them to produce it.
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Lykourgos posted:Ill-education and a wretched, low class culture. It's an irresistable pincer attack for most people, even when they know it's coming and literally make threads entitled "no jobs die alone." Counterpoint: I am the living embodiment of both those things and I still knew to get out.
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atlas of bugs posted:Counterpoint: I am the living embodiment of both those things and I still knew to get out. Really? I seem to recall you being Fordham's jilted lover, and then you had to part with whatever ttt came second due to medical reasons. Even when you were reduced to eating your lunches out of a dumpster, you still said you were returning to law school when the following semester came around. In your case, unless something radical has happened that you haven't shared, law school and debt would have been good for you.
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TheBestDeception posted:Thanks. I had seen a case relating to the medical records, too, but that specifically turned on the statutory rates, so not really what I'm looking for. On the other side, there are the non-party subpoenas for ISP's and copyright violators, but that's not something typically sold. The one productive class I took in law school was a class on e-discovery (okay, bullshit buzzwords) taught by a NJ state judge (what the gently caress he was doing as an adjunct in Georgetown, who knows), and based on my vast experience from that class, you're going to have to pay.
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Holland Oats posted:Did any of the UVA people have Jody Krauss for Contracts? He's a visiting Prof at CLS now and I'm hoping to get some intel on him. I'm a little late to respond, but I had the legend himself, Jody Kraus, for Contracts 1L year. Awesome, engaging lecturer. I got extremely lucky with my coldcall, as it was about theory/policy/hypothetical questions with fairly straightforward answers instead of the minute details of whatever case we were on. He does a great job guiding people to the "right" answers during coldcalls, and has absolutely no patience for gunners wasting time in his class. For the essay portion of the exam, he really stressed efficiency and correctness over spewing knowledge. He said he wanted us to use the "James Bond" approach instead of the "Commando" approach. Oh, his was also still the only law exam I've taken with a multiple choice section. It was probably the most difficult multiple choice test I have ever taken in my life, because it seemed like each answer could have been correct; it was only by varying shades of technical correctness (the best kind of correctness) that the choices differed. When some classmates and I got together to go over the practice exam, we literally got into shouting matches over our multiple choice answers. The waitress at Chili's probably thought we were psychos.
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I know I'm probably NOT going to get any clerkship interview calls but I think I'm just gonna freak out all day until I get to drink Scotch
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Sep 13, 2010 18:14
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Staggering revelation last night: eating chocolate (with some sort of filling - the one I had was chocolate-filled chocolate) before a gulp of brandy is basically the best thing ever. I'm no longer afraid of slipping into alcoholism.
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Sep 13, 2010 18:21
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CmdrSmirnoff posted:Staggering revelation last night: eating chocolate (with some sort of filling - the one I had was chocolate-filled chocolate) before a gulp of brandy is basically the best thing ever. I'm no longer afraid of slipping into alcoholism. Look at this fucken noob doesn't know how to be classy!
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Sep 13, 2010 20:34
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That's just chocolate though
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TheBestDeception posted:Thanks. I had seen a case relating to the medical records, too, but that specifically turned on the statutory rates, so not really what I'm looking for. On the other side, there are the non-party subpoenas for ISP's and copyright violators, but that's not something typically sold. I was never clear on the court's authority to require the subpoenaing party to pay the normal rate. I recall thinking "but that's bullshit" at the time. Nevertheless, I would plan on having to pay.
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Sep 14, 2010 02:03
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Fashion chat: Where do I get good-looking slacks on a Legal Aid budget?
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echopapa posted:Fashion chat: Gilt.
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CmdrSmirnoff posted:Staggering revelation last night: eating chocolate (with some sort of filling - the one I had was chocolate-filled chocolate) before a gulp of brandy is basically the best thing ever. I'm no longer afraid of slipping into alcoholism. chocolate is for with port, cigars are for with brandy :drunkard101:
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Mookie posted:chocolate is for with port, cigars are for with brandy :drunkard101: Wild Turkey pairs with everything
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Incredulous Red posted:Wild Turkey pairs with everything Can't argue with Hunter S. Thompson and the Kickin' Chicken.
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Incredulous Red posted:Wild Turkey pairs with everything I actually had Wild Turkey with fresh-caught wild turkey. Surprisingly, not that good.
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If there's a better drink than a hendrick's martini, I haven't found it.
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Lykourgos posted:Really? I seem to recall you being Fordham's jilted lover, and then you had to part with whatever ttt came second due to medical reasons. Even when you were reduced to eating your lunches out of a dumpster, you still said you were returning to law school when the following semester came around. You recall correctly. At some point during that long leave of absence/homelessness, I realized that visions of myself as a gainfully employed lawyer were more like fantasy than of things to come. Maybe it was this thread. Maybe it was the statistics that seemed to flow from every possible crevice of industry analysis. Maybe it was my classmates failing to get jobs. Maybe it was my friends in the T20 and their classmates failing to get jobs. Maybe it was my friends in the T14 and their classmates failing to get jobs. Maybe it was seeing the estimates of the number of new lawyers that will graduate law school in the next 10 years against the estimated growth(?) in the field against the number of newly-accredited law schools. I have no doubt that I could have returned to school on my scholarship and lived comfortably for 2 more years while accumulating Cost of Living debt that I would never be able to pay off, but something about that plan just didn't seem morally, financially, or personally right, regardless of my current level of discomfort. Although perhaps I am being irrational?
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atlas of bugs posted:You recall correctly. At some point during that long leave of absence/homelessness, I realized that visions of myself as a gainfully employed lawyer were more like fantasy than of things to come. Maybe it was this thread. Maybe it was the statistics that seemed to flow from every possible crevice of industry analysis. Maybe it was my classmates failing to get jobs. Maybe it was my friends in the T20 and their classmates failing to get jobs. Maybe it was my friends in the T14 and their classmates failing to get jobs. Maybe it was seeing the estimates of the number of new lawyers that will graduate law school in the next 10 years against the estimated growth(?) in the field against the number of newly-accredited law schools. I have no doubt that I could have returned to school on my scholarship and lived comfortably for 2 more years while accumulating Cost of Living debt that I would never be able to pay off, but something about that plan just didn't seem morally, financially, or personally right, regardless of my current level of discomfort. Alright you snowflake, get back to law school. Why do you believe you are so special? Do you think you are TOO GOOD for soul-crushing debt? Why should you get a happy life and a bright future while the rest of us suffer?
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Linguica posted:On Saved By The Bell this oh so cute college guy macking on Kelly is a pre-law major That does seem like the kind of joke major that a college dude chasing high school girls would take on.
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billion dollar bitch posted:If there's a better drink than a hendrick's martini, I haven't found it. A Tito's martini. Juniper Berries can suck it.
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Linguica posted:On Saved By The Bell this oh so cute college guy macking on Kelly is a pre-law major I sometimes read gossip blogs I'm sorry quote:Thursday, September 02, 2010 Kelly has seen more coke than every Manhattan lawyer combined true story
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atlas of bugs posted:I have no doubt that I could have returned to school on my scholarship and lived comfortably for 2 more years while accumulating Cost of Living debt that I would never be able to pay off, but something about that plan just didn't seem morally, financially, or personally right, regardless of my current level of discomfort. I was more thinking, you could re-enroll for a semester to avoid the very real possibility of death, or at least some debiliating disease or irreversible situation. You said you had some unhealing wound and something about your diet being terrible and that you were homeless. You probably aren't mentally impaired, so a semester or more of stability would be worth the debt imo. As for your morals or whatever, you haven't said anything about that before so I don't know what you believe constitutes right and wrong. If you used that semester to get a menial job, then you could pay off that sliver of debt if it's such a burden on your soul.
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Adar posted:Kelly has seen more coke than every Manhattan lawyer combined true story 
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joat mon posted:Seconding this, especially if you're single. Sorry, maybe I'm missing something here, but I thought it was still pretty hard to get a job in JAG? Are you saying everyone who applies and passes the bar is accepted? I guess my other question there is that I'm like 5'11 and 150 lbs so I'm not exactly able to rip people's windpipes out with my bare hands or whatever, how big an impediment is this?
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Linguica posted:Could it have been Jessie mayhap?? She did have a thing for caffeine pills after all Or it could be Lisa? http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,197785,00.html
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I've been working out at my school's law school gym, and so far I've noticed: 1 -- lots of beer bellies 2 -- everyone talks about either how much they drank last night, or how much they'll drink that night. This is pretty much consistent with the view of lawyers I've gotten from this thread.
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semicolonsrock posted:2 -- everyone talks about either how much they drank last night, and how much they'll drink that night. Fixed for lawyers vs. law students.
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billion dollar bitch posted:In which paradise do law students have their own gym? Sounds like the same deal as with the law library at most places: nominally "law student gym" but full of loving undergraduates. Also, my guess is Georgetown.
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