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Cichlidae
Aug 12, 2005

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Swanson posted:

Wow, I only just started reading this thread today, before I realized that there are 24 pages of replies just from the OP. Thanks for keeping this thread active, Cichlidae!

Wow, no kidding... that's almost my entire postcount right there.

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As has been mentioned, North Americans seem to have some aversion to roundabouts, but they're starting to pop up here and there.

Where I live, this behemoth (by North American standards) of a roundabout just opened about a year ago...



This was installed as part of the Evans Road Connector Project, where the Evans Road highway overpass was also installed.

Google Map: http://goo.gl/vcRM

I'm a big fan of roundabouts... when used properly, they move traffic quite well, but being in North America, nobody seems to know how to use them and quite a few accidents have been caused because of this. The City even put a roundabout simulator online (http://goo.gl/roDk) so that people could learn how to use it properly.

At first glance, it looks very confusing... but taken the time to learn how to properly navigate it, it makes perfect sense. What are your thoughts on how they designed this roundabout? Would you have done it differently?

Having the same lane use (left-thru and thru-right) on each leg simplifies things significantly. I'm not sure why they didn't scallop the center island like a normal turbo roundabout; I find that that reduces the number of decisions a driver has to make. Easy to retrofit, though.

As for accidents, rates are usually much lower at roundabouts. And even when accidents occur, speeds are much lower than they are at signalized intersections. The accidents are usually sideswipes, too, not T-bones or head-on collisions.

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Longpig Bard
Dec 29, 2004



Swanson posted:




This was installed as part of the Evans Road Connector Project, where the Evans Road highway overpass was also installed.

Google Map: http://goo.gl/vcRM

I'm a big fan of roundabouts... when used properly, they move traffic quite well, but being in North America, nobody seems to know how to use them and quite a few accidents have been caused because of this. The City even put a roundabout simulator online (http://goo.gl/roDk) so that people could learn how to use it properly.


Here's a roundabout I always pull off the freeway and drive on when I'm going out to the Joshua Tree area.

http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&ll=33.921413,-116.806448&spn=0.003521,0.003482&t=h&z=18

A double roundabout!

I parked a couple hundred feet from it once to watch traffic go through it just a month after they built it. People had no idea what the hell was going on when they came up to it. They would come in trying to get on the freeway and not see the immediate right turns to the on ramps and go straight toward the roundabouts.. so they would pop it in reverse to get on the on ramp curves. I saw that happen over and over. I haven't seen much of that on subsequent trips though.

Google doesn't have the street view updated either, so this is what it looked like http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&t=k...,52.88,,0,16.44

Pretty messy, and the roundabouts are far cheaper than the $500,000+ it would have cost to signalize.

Longpig Bard fucked around with this message at 03:18 on Sep 18, 2010

Kakairo
Dec 5, 2005

In case of emergency, my ass can be used as a flotation device.
I was happy to run into my first new American roundabout this past weekend, in the middle of Indiana cornfields. It was very similar to the one in Swanson's diagram, but smaller diameter. There's just one problem: people don't know how to use it. Most people were trying to drive around it at 5 MPH, instead of the 20 MPH you could comfortably take it in. It's going to take a long while for Americans to learn how to use roundabouts properly.

porkfriedrice
May 23, 2010
Writing about the Hartford-Providence freeway got me wondering. What ever happened with the proposals to make a freeway connection between 384 and US 6 in Willimantic? I know of course there is no money for it, but several years ago I remember a lot of argument about which path it should take. Also, have the improvements made to "Suicide Six" decreased accident rates along that stretch? I follow the local news semi-regularly, and haven't heard much about accidents on Route 6. Did any drop in the accident rate put the brakes on the freeway?

Joe 30330
Dec 20, 2007

"We have this notion that if you're poor, you cannot do it. Poor kids are just as bright and just as talented as white kids."

As the audience reluctantly began to applaud during the silence, Biden tried to fix his remarks.

"Wealthy kids, black kids, Asian kids -- no, I really mean it." Biden said.

Bumming Your Scene posted:

Here's a roundabout I always pull off the freeway and drive on when I'm going out to the Joshua Tree area.

http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&ll=33.921413,-116.806448&spn=0.003521,0.003482&t=h&z=18

A double roundabout!

I parked a couple hundred feet from it once to watch traffic go through it just a month after they built it. People had no idea what the hell was going on when they came up to it. They would come in trying to get on the freeway and not see the immediate right turns to the on ramps and go straight toward the roundabouts.. so they would pop it in reverse to get on the on ramp curves. I saw that happen over and over. I haven't seen much of that on subsequent trips though.

Google doesn't have the street view updated either, so this is what it looked like http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&t=k...,52.88,,0,16.44

Pretty messy, and the roundabouts are far cheaper than the $500,000+ it would have cost to signalize.

I think that is a really cool idea and would be the answer to a couple tight weird-geometric intersections here on either side of a freeway.

Entropist
Dec 1, 2007
I'm very stupid.
In the Netherlands we are starting to get those things everywhere at highway offramps now. And often there's a third one for a nearby main road:
http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&ll=53.200323,6.510816&spn=0.002484,0.008256&t=h&z=18
Or maybe six in a row:
http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&ll=53.108659,6.132345&spn=0.009957,0.033023&t=h&z=16
It gets a bit annoying if you're just passing under the highway :v:

And if there's not enough space, there can also be one large roundabout that goes under the highway like these two, near each other here: http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&ll=53.199613,6.549976&spn=0.004968,0.016512&t=h&z=17

Joe 30330
Dec 20, 2007

"We have this notion that if you're poor, you cannot do it. Poor kids are just as bright and just as talented as white kids."

As the audience reluctantly began to applaud during the silence, Biden tried to fix his remarks.

"Wealthy kids, black kids, Asian kids -- no, I really mean it." Biden said.

Entropist posted:

In the Netherlands we are starting to get those things everywhere at highway offramps now. And often there's a third one for a nearby main road:
http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&ll=53.200323,6.510816&spn=0.002484,0.008256&t=h&z=18
Or maybe six in a row:
http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&ll=53.108659,6.132345&spn=0.009957,0.033023&t=h&z=16
It gets a bit annoying if you're just passing under the highway :v:

And if there's not enough space, there can also be one large roundabout that goes under the highway like these two, near each other here: http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&ll=53.199613,6.549976&spn=0.004968,0.016512&t=h&z=17

The 'six in a row' is a cloverleaf to the south and a folded diamond to the north. Kind of an outdated design. Your last roundabout link is definitely cool and something I wish they would have tried under the QEW in St. Catharines here.

edit: Haha oops I didn't even notice the diamond ramps ending in roundabouts :v: awesome

Joe 30330 fucked around with this message at 14:38 on Sep 18, 2010

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Aug 12, 2005

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Bumming Your Scene posted:

Pretty messy, and the roundabouts are far cheaper than the $500,000+ it would have cost to signalize.

Not always! We're building one here that's estimated at $5 million, plus another $1.6M for rights of way.

Kakairo posted:

I was happy to run into my first new American roundabout this past weekend, in the middle of Indiana cornfields. It was very similar to the one in Swanson's diagram, but smaller diameter. There's just one problem: people don't know how to use it. Most people were trying to drive around it at 5 MPH, instead of the 20 MPH you could comfortably take it in. It's going to take a long while for Americans to learn how to use roundabouts properly.

That's why we need some kind of comprehensive continuing driver's education program. New drivers are learning about roundabouts, but the older ones still have no idea.

porkfriedrice posted:

Writing about the Hartford-Providence freeway got me wondering. What ever happened with the proposals to make a freeway connection between 384 and US 6 in Willimantic? I know of course there is no money for it, but several years ago I remember a lot of argument about which path it should take. Also, have the improvements made to "Suicide Six" decreased accident rates along that stretch? I follow the local news semi-regularly, and haven't heard much about accidents on Route 6. Did any drop in the accident rate put the brakes on the freeway?

There were hundreds of different alignments proposed, but the Army Corps of Engineers, EPA, local towns, DOT, and DEP couldn't agree on any of them. The President made the project a priority, but the Secretary of Transportation dropped the ball, so you can consider the project permanently stalled. It's not a safety problem, it's a lack of coordination and a refusal to compromise.

The safety improvements have helped out tremendously. Unfortunately, they've also led to more development along Route 6, which means more curb cuts and turning traffic. We can't afford to build new left/right turn lanes for every convenience store and doughnut shop that comes in. Our best option really is to build the freeway and get the high-speed, through traffic off of Route 6.

Entropist posted:

Or maybe six in a row:
http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&ll=53.108659,6.132345&spn=0.009957,0.033023&t=h&z=16
It gets a bit annoying if you're just passing under the highway :v:

The string of roundabouts is a strategy to keep speeds low, a variety of traffic calming.

Entropist
Dec 1, 2007
I'm very stupid.

Millstone posted:

The 'six in a row' is a cloverleaf to the south and a folded diamond to the north. Kind of an outdated design. Your last roundabout link is definitely cool and something I wish they would have tried under the QEW in St. Catharines here.

edit: Haha oops I didn't even notice the diamond ramps ending in roundabouts :v: awesome

Yeah I meant the row of 6 roundabouts at the road the north diamond offramps connect to. The cloverleaf is a bit simple but it's not a high traffic area so there's not really a reason to change it. The diamond design seems to be used by default here unless more is needed (but with the addition of roundabouts at the ends lately).
Cloverleaves are also still pretty common for some reason, there are a few notorious ones in high traffic areas, like this one: http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&ll=52.328245,4.797957&spn=0.010137,0.033023&t=h&z=16

Cichlidae posted:

The string of roundabouts is a strategy to keep speeds low, a variety of traffic calming.
And it works!

Entropist fucked around with this message at 15:48 on Sep 18, 2010

Crackpipe
Jul 9, 2001

I still hate driving on Rt. 6, and I'd gladly support any project that might give Willimantic a glimmer of hope. Such a sad little city with no real connection to anything anymore.

porkfriedrice
May 23, 2010
Another CT freeway question, and I'm not trying to sound flip or anything, I'm actually curious. What was the justification for the construction of the Route 9 expressway? I can understand connecting Middletown to the Hartford area with a freeway (I guess you could say almost a freeway in Middletown), but what about points south? Old Saybrook isn't exactly a major city. If you are traveling from the southeast shore of Connecticut to Hartford, I suppose that taking Route 9 is convenient. But wasn't Route 11 also being planned during the same time period? How does the traffic volume on 9 compare with say, Route 8 or 2? But then again, what do I know? If I'm totally off the mark, let me know. It just seems to me that they could have gotten away with an expressway just to Middletown. I have a feeling I'll be wrong though.

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Crackpipe posted:

I still hate driving on Rt. 6, and I'd gladly support any project that might give Willimantic a glimmer of hope. Such a sad little city with no real connection to anything anymore.

But hey, it's got frog statues sitting on spools!

porkfriedrice posted:

Another CT freeway question, and I'm not trying to sound flip or anything, I'm actually curious. What was the justification for the construction of the Route 9 expressway? I can understand connecting Middletown to the Hartford area with a freeway (I guess you could say almost a freeway in Middletown), but what about points south? Old Saybrook isn't exactly a major city. If you are traveling from the southeast shore of Connecticut to Hartford, I suppose that taking Route 9 is convenient. But wasn't Route 11 also being planned during the same time period? How does the traffic volume on 9 compare with say, Route 8 or 2? But then again, what do I know? If I'm totally off the mark, let me know. It just seems to me that they could have gotten away with an expressway just to Middletown. I have a feeling I'll be wrong though.

Route 9 south of Middletown was built as a bypass of the old Route 9, which is currently Route 154. The volumes on that stretch are about 25-30 thousand ADT, which means approximately 1500 cars in the peak hour, peak direction. That's too much for a single-lane roadway alone, but in the summertime, the volumes increase by 50% as traffic from Hartford and points north heads down to the beaches along the coast. The alternative would've been to make the old Route 9 four lanes wide, but building it on a new, undeveloped alignment would have been cheaper.

Route 2 has higher volumes than 9 on the freeway section, but east of Norwich, it's lower, and quite congested thanks to casino traffic. As for Route 8, its volume is similar between Waterbury and Litchfield. By the time it gets to Torrington, it's lower than Route 9's.

porkfriedrice
May 23, 2010

Cichlidae posted:

Route 9 south of Middletown was built as a bypass of the old Route 9, which is currently Route 154. The volumes on that stretch are about 25-30 thousand ADT, which means approximately 1500 cars in the peak hour, peak direction. That's too much for a single-lane roadway alone, but in the summertime, the volumes increase by 50% as traffic from Hartford and points north heads down to the beaches along the coast. The alternative would've been to make the old Route 9 four lanes wide, but building it on a new, undeveloped alignment would have been cheaper.

Route 2 has higher volumes than 9 on the freeway section, but east of Norwich, it's lower, and quite congested thanks to casino traffic. As for Route 8, its volume is similar between Waterbury and Litchfield. By the time it gets to Torrington, it's lower than Route 9's.

Yep, like I said, what do I know? Perception is a lot different from reality. Thanks for clearing that up.

Jedi Knight Luigi
Jul 13, 2009
Hello OP, great thread!

Somewhere within the first ten pages you said you had degrees in Civil Engineering, French, and German. How in depth were your French and German studies? Did you utilize your French quite frequently when you worked in France?

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Jedi Knight Luigi posted:

Hello OP, great thread!

Somewhere within the first ten pages you said you had degrees in Civil Engineering, French, and German. How in depth were your French and German studies? Did you utilize your French quite frequently when you worked in France?

I'm fluent in French, and either fluent or pretty close in German. When I was working in France, it was with a French company, and there was no English at all. I even had to do some work in Italian, since one of our suppliers was in Italy. My boss said, "it's just French with some extra I and A at the end."

I've taken 9 years of French in total, including a comprehensive immersion program and the study abroad/work abroad. German, a bit less, only 5 years with an immersion program as well.

So yeah, I speak French well enough that native speakers can't tell I'm foreign. I consider that a pretty big accomplishment; I'm sure it helped me out a lot while I was over there.

Jedi Knight Luigi
Jul 13, 2009

Cichlidae posted:

I'm fluent in French, and either fluent or pretty close in German. When I was working in France, it was with a French company, and there was no English at all. I even had to do some work in Italian, since one of our suppliers was in Italy. My boss said, "it's just French with some extra I and A at the end."

I've taken 9 years of French in total, including a comprehensive immersion program and the study abroad/work abroad. German, a bit less, only 5 years with an immersion program as well.

So yeah, I speak French well enough that native speakers can't tell I'm foreign. I consider that a pretty big accomplishment; I'm sure it helped me out a lot while I was over there.

Very impressive! I've had 6 years of German and I'm going to be in an immersion program for the next 9 months in about ten days (I'm 20 years old). How did you manage *two* immersion programs in separate languages though?? Do you fart 100 dollar bills or are you just in debt for the next 15 years? :v:

Sorry I'm not asking anything really content related, here's an idea: Where do you think the most efficient interstate/interchange system is located? I'm fond of Indianapolis', it's just a perfect circle of I-465 with the interstates cutting right through conveniently!

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Jedi Knight Luigi posted:

Very impressive! I've had 6 years of German and I'm going to be in an immersion program for the next 9 months in about ten days (I'm 20 years old). How did you manage *two* immersion programs in separate languages though?? Do you fart 100 dollar bills or are you just in debt for the next 15 years? :v:

I did one in high school in Nova Scotia, which cost about $1500. Not all that expensive for someone with a grocery store job. The second one was somewhat more expensive, but I needed the credits, so I had to suck it up. Thank goodness for scholarships.

quote:

Sorry I'm not asking anything really content related, here's an idea: Where do you think the most efficient interstate/interchange system is located? I'm fond of Indianapolis', it's just a perfect circle of I-465 with the interstates cutting right through conveniently!

I've always wondered why the Speedway doesn't have direct freeway access. Something like 450 thousand people go to the big races, right? How do the roads handle it without getting clogged for miles? I suppose, if they're only congested for <30 hours a year, it's not something that would be planned for, but congestion's not good for tourism.

Iridium
Apr 4, 2002

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Cichlidae posted:

I've always wondered why the Speedway doesn't have direct freeway access. Something like 450 thousand people go to the big races, right? How do the roads handle it without getting clogged for miles? I suppose, if they're only congested for <30 hours a year, it's not something that would be planned for, but congestion's not good for tourism.

I live about ten minutes up the road from Atlanta Motor Speedway and while we don't have crowds that are quite so fierce as Indy, it gets pretty bad. When we first moved down here the only major route to get to the speedway was to hop off the interstate onto a three lane boulevard (that's the intersection I showed you last page, incidentally), then head south far enough that it became two lanes, and after about 15 miles turn into the speedway. To give that a sense of scale with the traffic, just after we moved we went to a race. The race ended around 4pm. We had a five mile straight shot up that main boulevard, followed by a mile on a side street to our house. We didn't get home until after 9:30pm.

Eventually they built a second major route into it, a similar boulevard that heads straight East from the track back to the same interstate. It's helped a lot: there's less development along the new road so fewer people are impacted by the insane traffic, it makes it easier on race attendees coming up from the south, and in general it just doubles the surface street traffic capacity. It's still nuts, we'd be trapped in our house on Labor Day weekend every year if we weren't off at Dragon*Con, but it's helped.

Kakairo
Dec 5, 2005

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Cichlidae posted:

I've always wondered why the Speedway doesn't have direct freeway access. Something like 450 thousand people go to the big races, right? How do the roads handle it without getting clogged for miles? I suppose, if they're only congested for <30 hours a year, it's not something that would be planned for, but congestion's not good for tourism.

There are two freeway junctions near the Speedway, one for I-465 and one for I-65. When the race lets out, they've been known to turn Georgetown Road into a four-lane, one-way road that leads to I-65, so it's not too bad. Traffic coming into the race isn't as big of a problem, since people come in such a staggered manner over the weekend.

Sammus
Nov 30, 2005

Forgive me if this question was asked before, but why do you guys right stuff on the roads backwards, as exemplified in this xkcd strip

IOwnCalculus
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Kakairo posted:

There are two freeway junctions near the Speedway, one for I-465 and one for I-65. When the race lets out, they've been known to turn Georgetown Road into a four-lane, one-way road that leads to I-65, so it's not too bad. Traffic coming into the race isn't as big of a problem, since people come in such a staggered manner over the weekend.

Yup, this. Despite the fact that there are no freeways anywhere in the immediate vicinity of Speedway, it's remarkably easy to get in and out of there if you know where you're going. I'm pretty sure the existence of 2/3 of the police force anywhere around Speedway is just to do all of the one-shot traffic management for the end of raceday.

Captain Corny
Dec 16, 2000

Sammus posted:

Forgive me if this question was asked before, but why do you guys right stuff on the roads backwards, as exemplified in this xkcd strip
The word is 'write'

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Iridium posted:

I live about ten minutes up the road from Atlanta Motor Speedway and while we don't have crowds that are quite so fierce as Indy, it gets pretty bad.

I had similar experiences in Bristol, RI, where I grew up. One day out of the year, nobody's going anywhere. The difference is, you're shoving 250,000 people primarily through two 2-lane roads, one of which is closed off for the better part of the day.

Kakairo posted:

There are two freeway junctions near the Speedway, one for I-465 and one for I-65. When the race lets out, they've been known to turn Georgetown Road into a four-lane, one-way road that leads to I-65, so it's not too bad. Traffic coming into the race isn't as big of a problem, since people come in such a staggered manner over the weekend.

Very cool. Competent temporary traffic control can help tremendously in situations like that.

Sammus posted:

Forgive me if this question was asked before, but why do you guys right stuff on the roads backwards, as exemplified in this xkcd strip

Explained here.

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Aug 12, 2005

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Today's weather was wonderful, so I spent the whole day on a Field Trip.

First stop was New Haven. Literally, dead center of New Haven, in the middle of the Green on Temple Street. We'd put in a new crosswalk, using a new product called StreetPrint. The manufacturer said it would take about a month for the color to sink in, so we came by after a month to check.



Looks pretty good. Let's check those beads in the white paint to see if they're holding up.



Again, looking good. The best way to check these beads is to look at the shadow of your head.

Some of you complained about new crosswalks being slippery. We put sand on this one to keep it nice and rough.



After this, we went to one of my Branford projects: doubling the parking lot at the Branford railroad station. It seems our ridership has been increasing, and our parking needs along with it.



Fresh pavement looks so promising, doesn't it? Kind of like the traffic analogue to Calvin and Hobbes' final "blank sheet" of snow. See that bridge over to the left?



They stuck special molds in the formwork to make it look like stone. Usually, it gets stained later on, but I personally think that looks butt ugly. Virginal concrete just has a kind of simple beauty to it.

So, we have a bridge, naturally there's water. A lot of it, in fact. So much, that...



... we're putting up these signs in some places. "You may need a rowboat to get to your car."



See this big mound of soil? It wasn't in the plans. That is, it was supposed to be removed, but it's probably contaminated with polychlorinated biphenyls (PCBs). If we test it, we have to dispose of it, which would cost something like $4 million. Sooo.... we're just making the parking lot a little taller.



See? There's a crab! All this nonsense about cancer must just be some hocus pocus. I... no, it's perfectly normal for crabs to have seven legs! Stop whining and eat the dirt.

The next stop was another job in Branford, then Groton, but they're interminably boring, so I didn't bother taking pictures. I broke out the camera in Killingly. Remember my job that was all held up by utilities? No, the other one. Well, it was supposed to be done by school season, but it was delayed long enough that it's still going. I came to watch the buses leave and make sure there was enough capacity.

The construction trailer was set up in an abandoned mill. What's it about the Quinebaug Valley that makes these so prevalent? There might even be more abandoned mills than there are Dunkin Donuts.



In stark contrast, the construction site itself is buzzing with activity. Both Route 12 and Soap Street are down to alternating one-way at times as soil's moved around.



It's not just the road that's under construction. This guy's driveway is half ripped up, too. We were only supposed to replace where it tied into the street, but while demolishing that part, we discovered that the asphalt in it is only a half inch thick, lying atop a bed of muck. Whoever built it in the first place really cheaped out. Consequently, we have to carefully replace a lot more than we'd originally thought.



The school soon let out, and it was time to watch cars back up. The flagger did an excellent job (and the bus drivers appreciated her help so much, they bought her a gift certificate). Queues never lasted long. The driveway's a half mile long, so even if they did, it's no big deal. (Also, bonus unpainted Mazda body mod)



See those bags on poles? I wonder what's inside! (Hint: It's not lollipops.)





Heeeeeyyyyy... those aren't the right signs! We don't have nearly enough room for a double left here! The high school's contractor put them up, not ours, but our inspector is sure to go rip them down when nobody's looking. At least the pavement markings are good, right?



Err... gently caress.



This is the concrete foundation where the one of the span poles will go. But it has two problems! First off, it seems something's been digging beneath it.



Second, it has a cute little inhabitant!



Leap away, little spider, or you will follow in the footsteps of Artyom and spend your life wandering around in conduits, fighting moles!

Here is the foundation for the signal controller box, which seemed a bit more stable. Also, some yellow machine of some sort.



And, one last spider, because spiders are super cute.



Finally, non sequitur, but those of you who like Indian food can really appreciate this murghi jardaloo I made. Delicious. Hey, a good meal should follow every great day spent hard at work, right?

Cichlidae fucked around with this message at 00:12 on Sep 21, 2010

Silver Falcon
Dec 5, 2005

Two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight and barbecue your own drumsticks!

Cichlidae posted:




See this big mound of soil? It wasn't in the plans. That is, it was supposed to be removed, but it's probably contaminated with polychlorinated biphenyls (PCBs). If we test it, we have to dispose of it, which would cost something like $4 million. Sooo.... we're just making the parking lot a little taller.



See? There's a crab! All this nonsense about cancer must just be some hocus pocus. I... no, it's perfectly normal for crabs to have seven legs! Stop whining and eat the dirt.

As an environmental scientist, I am appalled by this. As a goon, I am heartily amused!

Also that curry looks freaking delicious.

MrBling
Aug 21, 2003

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On the belated subject of pedestrian crossings and push button things, these have slowly become the norm here in Denmark.



Except they're blue. You basically just have to brush your hand against it to activate it, doesnt have an actual physical button.

Apparently there's a version with a little LCD screen which you can program to say whatever you want.

Product pdf: http://www.dansktrafikteknik.dk/admin/filer/files/Pdf/RTB_taster_engl_0306.pdf

I like how the image they use to show how easily activated it is, is a woman rubbing her rear end against it.

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MrBling posted:

On the belated subject of pedestrian crossings and push button things, these have slowly become the norm here in Denmark.



Except they're blue. You basically just have to brush your hand against it to activate it, doesnt have an actual physical button.

Apparently there's a version with a little LCD screen which you can program to say whatever you want.

Product pdf: http://www.dansktrafikteknik.dk/admin/filer/files/Pdf/RTB_taster_engl_0306.pdf

I like how the image they use to show how easily activated it is, is a woman rubbing her rear end against it.

If they can make them vandal-proof, those buttons would be great over here. Cost is also a factor, but if we're already considering paying $800 for each button, we may as well shop around. I'd love to have some more intelligent buttons, like the ones that recognize a longer duration press and make the pedestrian phase longer in response. That way, we can keep most ped phases short, but still accommodate people who need more time.

GWBBQ
Jan 2, 2005


As I was heading to work this afternoon, I passed by exit 10 on 95 South. I wasn't sure whether I was seeing it right, so I had my brother take a look. On the island at the end of the ramp, there was a Darien Police officer parked perpendicular to the ramp, running radar. What's the speed limit on exit ramps? Is speeding on exit ramps such a huge problem that they had a genuine need to have one of their officers run radar there instead of looking for minorities to pull over?
http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&lay...0,0.022724&z=16

Also, click through this intersection from a few different directions to see what a clusterfuck it is. Can you guys replace it with a roundabout?
http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&ll=...,25.23,,0,12.27

GWBBQ fucked around with this message at 20:13 on Sep 22, 2010

Cichlidae
Aug 12, 2005

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GWBBQ posted:

As I was heading to work this afternoon, I passed by exit 10 on 95 South. I wasn't sure whether I was seeing it right, so I had my brother take a look. On the island at the end of the ramp, there was a Darien Police officer parked perpendicular to the ramp, running radar. What's the speed limit on exit ramps? Is speeding on exit ramps such a huge problem that they had a genuine need to have one of their officers run radar there instead of looking for minorities to pull over?
http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&lay...0,0.022724&z=16

Also, click through this intersection from a few different directions to see what a clusterfuck it is. Can you guys replace it with a roundabout?
http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&ll=...,25.23,,0,12.27

Ramps don't have speed limits, just advisory speeds. The cop could cite you for unsafe driving, but I'm sure it's harder to provide prima facie evidence for that than for a normal speeding violation. They could probably try to coerce drivers into believing the advisory speed was some sort of limit; maybe the officer himself doesn't know, which would be pretty silly, since it's his job. Additionally, there may be a jurisdictionary issue: enforcement on interstates is for state troopers, and ramps are part of the freeway.

For the intersection, it would be a piece of cake to fix. A roundabout would probably work, as would some minor realignment. Add a turning lane or two at the beacon, upgrade to a signal, and barricade the "bypass" just beyond Wassell Lane. Problem solved!

... Or it would be, but that's not my district ;)

grover
Jan 23, 2002

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GWBBQ posted:

As I was heading to work this afternoon, I passed by exit 10 on 95 South. I wasn't sure whether I was seeing it right, so I had my brother take a look. On the island at the end of the ramp, there was a Darien Police officer parked perpendicular to the ramp, running radar. What's the speed limit on exit ramps? Is speeding on exit ramps such a huge problem that they had a genuine need to have one of their officers run radar there instead of looking for minorities to pull over?
http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&lay...0,0.022724&z=16
For that matter, is speeding on a ramp really enforceable? The yellow speed limit signs are advisories only, and not legal limits- the ramps by necessity must allow for acceleration/deceleration, so anything up to the highest legal speed limit is OK, right?

E;FB! Serves me right for going back and looking at the google maps link a 2nd time I guess.

smackfu
Jun 7, 2004

Speaking of exit ramp speeds, how out of spec is exit 15 on Rt 8 South? I don't think it's possible to speed through that one.



(on the left)

IOwnCalculus
Apr 2, 2003





smackfu posted:

Speaking of exit ramp speeds, how out of spec is exit 15 on Rt 8 South? I don't think it's possible to speed through that one.



(on the left)

Goddamn. That's the kind of offramp that would make a Porsche buyer tick that $20k option box for ceramic brakes.

grover
Jan 23, 2002

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smackfu posted:

Speaking of exit ramp speeds, how out of spec is exit 15 on Rt 8 South? I don't think it's possible to speed through that one.



(on the left)
Did google snap an action photo of a semi half-way through plowing off the side of that curve, or is it just the angle?

Cichlidae
Aug 12, 2005

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grover posted:

Did google snap an action photo of a semi half-way through plowing off the side of that curve, or is it just the angle?

That's just how they do it down in Derby, buddy!

That whole stretch of Route 8 between Shelton and Beacon Falls is pretty atrocious, as far as freeways go. Some of the most dangerous spots in the state are along that stretch, as often as not on the on- and off-ramps. Space is so tight in Derby and Ansonia. The freeway has very little shoulder, and the ramps look like they were built for 20 mph with significantly shorter accel/decel lanes than advised in the Green Book. That particular interchange could probably be replaced by a SPUI, but I'm sure we'd rather wait until the road itself is on its last legs before replacement.

GWBBQ
Jan 2, 2005


The Parkway has the advantage of no trucks, but still has the worst exit ramp ever. I think it was discussed earlier in the thread.
http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&ll=41.142926,-73.426012&spn=0.000702,0.00142&t=k&z=20

Check street view to get an idea of how truly terrible it is.
http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&ll=...264.62,,0,13.07

nsaP
May 4, 2004

alright?
This thread is great and I still have 40 more pages to work through, but I wanted to share my most hated on-ramp while I work thru the rest of the thread. I could look like an rear end for reposting, but it's awful enough it could deserve another look. To match your awful off ramp I present this I65 entrance in Louisville, KY.

You travel about 1/4 mile in the wrong direction only to do a quick 180 and have to match traffic (@ 70 sometimes) in about 100 feet. Click for the satellite google maps.


nsaP fucked around with this message at 22:52 on Sep 24, 2010

ijustam
Jun 20, 2005

What do you think about this (if it's true) ?

http://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/dicn0/spill_your_employers_secrets_herein_ie_things_the/c10fdo6

quote:

I work for NJ DOT. The Emergency Service Patrol (1, 2) is provided state-wide to motorists from any state, that are having problems with their car. Flat? Fixed. Out of gas? We got you covered. Car on fire? We'll help you out. Did your boat fly off your trailer? We can't help with that, but we can make sure you don't get rear-ended while you sob on the side of the highway. We sob with you :'(

Jim Simpson, the NJ DOT commissioner wants to do away with (privatize it) it to save money. It is paid for with federal funds that fund this specific service in 43/50 US states. The state doesn't pay anything for the service. There is no money to save.

Being the Republican that he is, he wants to ask the fed if we can keep the $12 million to use on other projects. $12 million he is not entitled to use if not for ESP. He will put over three hundred people out of work to save nothing. Instead, the state will receive kick backs from the privatizing company on a per-call basis.

tl;dr: NJ DOT commish Jim Simpson is eliminating a free, paid-for service to make a meager profit on the backs of stranded motorists.

Cichlidae
Aug 12, 2005

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Neckbeard v. 2.0 posted:

This thread is great and I still have 40 more pages to work through, but I wanted to share my most hated on-ramp while I work thru the rest of the thread. I could look like an rear end for reposting, but it's awful enough it could deserve another look. To match your awful off ramp I present this I65 entrance in Louisville, KY.

You travel about 1/4 mile in the wrong direction only to do a quick 180 and have to match traffic (@ 70 sometimes) in about 100 feet. Click for the satellite google maps.




That's nasty, alright. At least you get a good view of the gap you're shooting for when you're driving toward them before the 180! :downs:

ijustam posted:

What do you think about this (if it's true) ?

Sounds pretty normal for someone in an appointed position. If he can actually get that money from the feds, he'll likely be praised even as his decision costs the public much more than they'd otherwise have paid in taxes. Hopefully the FHWA will tell him where he can shove it (or at least some papers pick up the story so the PR shitstorm can begin).

FISHMANPET
Mar 3, 2007

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Jesus what's the point even? We have the same program here in MN and the point isn't to be nice to drivers, its to get disabled vehicles moving again so they don't gum up traffic.

E: Of course the point is kickbacks from private contracters.

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Phanatic
Mar 13, 2007

Please don't forget that I am an extremely racist idiot who also has terrible opinions about the Culture series.

Cichlidae posted:


Fresh pavement looks so promising, doesn't it? Kind of like the traffic analogue to Calvin and Hobbes' final "blank sheet" of snow. See that bridge over to the left?

Paved a stretch of road one night, and then on my way back the next night to keep on going, I ran over a woodchuck. The stripes hadn't even been laid down yet. I felt like I'd just baptized the road.

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