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Haven't seen the movie, but it could be a number of things: - Might be lines from the trailer, which used footage not seen in the final version - Might be lines from deleted scenes; a quick search shows that the DVD has deleted scenes--maybe they're from there? - IMDB quotes is all user-submitted, so the person might be not remembering lines correctly. Were the quotes just off a bit, or did they look completely made up? I have my own question. Having just watched The Lady From Shanghai, I have to ask: what was with Welles' Irish accent? More importantly, what made him believe he could pull it off?
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Green Vulture posted:Haven't seen the movie, but it could be a number of things: Well I already mentioned that the quotes weren't from the previews but I forgot to say they weren't in the deleted scenes either. The quotes seem like extended versions of scenes that are in the movie. Some of the lines they list are there, but in one example, a single line in the middle of a scene is cut (and during the scene they cut away before the line in question would be said then cut back after) In another example, it seems to be from a scene that doesn't exist, but should (it provides some backstory to a relationship) I think I'm going to watch the "making of" and storyboard featurettes tomorrow. Maybe they have extended cuts sprinkled throughout them. Oh well.
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Sep 20, 2010 10:42
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Superrodan posted:I recently watched The Final Cut starring Robin Williams. It was ok, not great. I think my problem was that the concept was much better than the execution. The French DVD release (incl. English audio track) is, it says: "about 90 minutes" long. It's OK, but not great; like you said.
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Sep 20, 2010 14:35
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Green Vulture posted:I have my own question. Having just watched The Lady From Shanghai, I have to ask: what was with Welles' Irish accent? More importantly, what made him believe he could pull it off? Welles made a lot of over-the-top choices, especially in characterizations. Kubrick once said: "Real is good, interesting is better". I think Welles subscribed to the same philosophy. Look at his insane beard in Mr. Arkadin... or Robert Arden's performance, which is terrible, but unforgettably so. Or Dennis Weaver in Touch of Evil. I don't know if Welles was trying to pull off a good accent, or if he could if he wanted to, but it certainly gets your attention.
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Sep 20, 2010 15:34
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Honest Thief posted:Some users, one of them smg I think, on some other thread mentioned a connection between Manhunter and Blade Runner; it's been quite a while since I last saw Manhunter, but I couldn't guess what they're referring to. It's hard to be absolutely sure without seeing the comments, but they both draw on the same traditions. Apart from the rather obvious detective/noir elements, there's also the "monster inside of me" psychological aspect. Compare Ford's reveal as a replicant with Petersen's withdrawal into becoming the serial killer. They're going in different directions though.
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Sep 20, 2010 16:56
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Welles' Irish accent is one of the best parts of The Lady from Shanghai. It's a film with a prosecutor cross examining himself, so I don't think it was meant to be a gritty, realistic noir.
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Sep 20, 2010 19:20
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FitFortDanga posted:I don't know if Welles was trying to pull off a good accent, or if he could if he wanted to, but it certainly gets your attention.
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Sep 20, 2010 19:43
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That new movie Case 39 isn't really that new. It looks like it was a finished product about 4 year ago, but is just being released now. What's the longest between a movie's completion and its release?
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Sep 20, 2010 21:52
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Rusty Shackelford posted:That new movie Case 39 isn't really that new. It looks like it was a finished product about 4 year ago, but is just being released now. What's the longest between a movie's completion and its release? The movie The Dead Talk Back (featured in an episode of MST3K) was completed in 1957 but wasn't released until 1993.
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Sep 20, 2010 21:58
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I saw Breakfast at Tiffany's for the first time ever, and as it's a film I've never really read about I didn't realise it had such an incredibly racist portrayal of a japanese person in it. Can anyone suggest any other films that have suprisingly racist moment in them?
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Sep 21, 2010 11:30
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Brown Moses posted:I saw Breakfast at Tiffany's for the first time ever, and as it's a film I've never really read about I didn't realise it had such an incredibly racist portrayal of a japanese person in it. Can anyone suggest any other films that have suprisingly racist moment in them? Why? Do you enjoy being surprised with an unexpected offensive stereotype?
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Who doesn't like surprises?
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Sep 21, 2010 13:40
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Brown Moses posted:I saw Breakfast at Tiffany's for the first time ever, and as it's a film I've never really read about I didn't realise it had such an incredibly racist portrayal of a japanese person in it. Can anyone suggest any other films that have suprisingly racist moment in them? It's a general topic centered around the term Yellowface, usually, but just like a lot of offensive portrayals, 'Asian' stereotypes are also played by 'Asians' themselves. Gedde Watanabe ruined high school for a generation of Asian-American kids, who got called Donger, because (People are stupid?, Kids are Cruel?, Asians are nothing more than the protrayal of them in media?). Anything Lucy Liu has done is a pretty much built on some 'Asian' caricature. Though hers seem some what more subtle, her roles are just playing to the moving stereotype of what an 'Asian' woman is. Before the 1990s there were few portrayals of 'Asians' in Hollywood, that were not built on stereotypes (Tong member, good at math, whatever the latest fantasy of 'Asian' mystique is). But that continues today: Family Guy has a news reporter who is 'good at math', and American Dad has a character who cannot speak English. Historically, Star Trek is about the only matter of fact portrayal of a human as a human (who happens to be 'Asian') as you can find. But even before that, the most performed opera in the US, even today, is about 'Asian' woman as a prostitute worshipping the Western male. Basically, the list of non-offensive portrayals of 'Asians' are the surplise. quote:The fact that Hiro Nakamura in Heroes never kissed his White girlfriend and had to practically share his Asian girlfriend with a white dude in Shinobi garb was easily overlooked by the average American Heroes fan, but its something Asian America has mentioned in conversations among ourselves. It’s been going on for years in America, from Jet Li not locking lips with his on-screen female lead, Aaliyah, in Romeo Must Die to Jackie Chan having an implied relationship with Jennifer Love Hewitt in The Tuxedo, America isn’t ready for Asian American males to flaunt their sexuality on screen the way their female counterparts do, with a certain degree of fetishizing of course (see every Tia Carrere film ever made). kapalama fucked around with this message at 17:45 on Sep 21, 2010 |
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Sep 21, 2010 17:41
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EVERYTHING I SAY ABOUT JAPAN OR LIVING IN JAPAN IS COMPLETELY WRONG, BUT YOU BETTER BELIEVE I'LL 
ABOUT IT.
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quote:Family Guy has a news reporter who is 'good at math', and American Dad has a character who cannot speak English. So I take it you're not really seeing the clubbingly unsubtle satire in a character who is always announced as "Asian reporter Tricia Takinawa!"
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Sep 21, 2010 17:50
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The Crimson Kimono deals with Asian-American characters exceptionally well.
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Sep 21, 2010 17:53
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OneThousandMonkeys posted:So I take it you're not really seeing the clubbingly unsubtle satire in a character who is always announced as "Asian reporter Tricia Takinawa!" Yes because dealing in stereotypes for humor is the best way to get rid of them. We should call every black person we meet the 'n-word', and imagine all of them as pimps in purple coats. Because that wil help stop people thinking of them as the 'them' rather than part of 'us'. If there was something other than stereotypical, ('other-enforcing' for lack of a better word) portrayals of 'Asians' (or Hispanics) in anything Seth MacFarlane did, then it would be one thing. But unlike his portrayals of other so called minorities (which indicate some passing familiarity with both the stereotype and the reality), he deals only with the stereotypes in both Hispanics and Asians. (And in fact he makes almost no jokes on the ingrained stereotypes of blacks for instance, other than a few dick size jokes. But that is after 10 years of matter of fact portrayal of blacks as people.) So no, it is not satire, it is just playing off the stereotypes for humour. As funny as yelling the N-word in a comedy club is, you don't get to do it anymore. But apparently you can call every 'Asian' face by the name of Long Duk Dong or Jackie Chan because they are still the 'other'. kapalama fucked around with this message at 18:18 on Sep 21, 2010 |
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Sep 21, 2010 18:14
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Can someone explain the shooting stars in Jaws?
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Sep 21, 2010 18:30
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The Lucas posted:Can someone explain the shooting stars in Jaws? From what I remember, it was just pure random luck that they were filming during a meteor shower, and they kept them in.
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Sep 21, 2010 18:32
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kapalama posted:Yes because dealing in stereotypes for humor is the best way to get rid of them. We should call every black person we meet the 'n-word', and imagine all of them as pimps in purple coats. Because that wil help stop people thinking of them as the 'them' rather than part of 'us'. Not that I'm a big fan of Family Guy, but treating everything with kid gloves because you're deeply afraid of coloring peoples' perceptions the wrong way is actually more immature and helpless than pointing out stereotypes. quote:As funny as yelling the N-word in a comedy club is, you don't get to do it anymore. haha are you kidding? Martin Lawrence's entire career is "the stupid friend of the family," to point out one of countless. But yes, racism against blacks in the media has greatly diminished, as evidenced by Cleveland Brown's absurd Fat-Albert-on-11 drawl, general helplessness in almost every plotline, and the fact that he is voiced by a white guy. That sure is a round character. Woo. That's basically the joke, though. If you're looking for overtly positive and appealing racial messages in a show that is all about low-hanging fruit in terms of its satirical aim, you're both missing the point of the show and looking in the wrong place.
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Sep 21, 2010 18:39
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kapalama posted:As funny as yelling the N-word in a comedy club is, you don't get to do it anymore. Someone should tell this to Louis CK, David Cross, Zack Galifianakis, etc. etc.
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Sep 21, 2010 18:52
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Brown Moses posted:I saw Breakfast at Tiffany's for the first time ever, and as it's a film I've never really read about I didn't realise it had such an incredibly racist portrayal of a japanese person in it. Can anyone suggest any other films that have suprisingly racist moment in them? Check out the first Batman serial (from 1943). It's chock full of anti-Japanese sentiment, as well as a sinister Japanese doctor as a villain and lots of terrible... everything, really.
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Sep 21, 2010 19:19
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Even though its another MST3K fodder, The Wild World of Batwoman has an extremely bizarre and out of left field racist scene. Some characters are having a seance and they contact a "Chinese spirit" who literally talks all in CHING CHONG BING WONG. Which the characters treat as actual Chinese.
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Sep 21, 2010 19:35
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I Love You, Alice B. Toklas takes some time out from satirizing hippie culture to be really, really racist towards Mexicans for a scene or two. It's really strange.
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So how long until a fictional Asian-American President?
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Brown Moses posted:Can anyone suggest any other films that have suprisingly racist moment in them? Three examples that came to mind Bamboozled surprised me when I saw some of it on TV before I knew what the film was about. example: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=se0TMqjP2yQ Holiday Inn - Bing Crosby http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tAHSTbD4A5M There's also a really bizarre racism scene out of left field in Alien Abduction: Incident in Lake County which can be seen on google video.
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Sep 22, 2010 00:26
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It's been cut out since the late 1960s, but the Pastoral segment of Fantasia had a black centaur with dreadlocks. Prints since then either cut footage, crop out the frame, or paint out the character. Someone found a 16mm print without the edits and put it on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WPKpFNm3QMM (Skip to 1:00, 2:11, 2:56, 7:56) (The BluRay isn't going to include the original shots)
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Sep 22, 2010 03:44
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There is also the " That's for Niggers" scene in Cabin Fever. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCJc8Oemwj0
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Zogo posted:Holiday Inn - Bing Crosby I feel compelled to point out this is a parody of an old time minstrel show (which would have been 'way old time' even by the '40s). And while it's true that minstrel shows that lampooned blacks were/are racist (including those shows with black casts), and that even a parody of one is a form of racism as well, in this particular instance it should be noted that not only are the black characters given song time but the song itself is celebrating then end of slavery. Also, Maime ended up being pivotal to getting Bing back with Majorie Reynolds, even if it was by being a stereotype. I just love Holiday Inn 
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Brown Moses posted:I saw Breakfast at Tiffany's for the first time ever, and as it's a film I've never really read about I didn't realise it had such an incredibly racist portrayal of a japanese person in it. Can anyone suggest any other films that have suprisingly racist moment in them? The (amazingly choreographed and fantastically performed) climax of Fred Astaire's Swing Time is this Get's interesting at about 1:30
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NeuroticErotica mentioned something about Troublemaker not being a place where you want to work. Is RR a boss from hell or something?
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Binowru posted:I just rewatched The Godfather Part II and I had a question. During the Senate hearings, they bring in Frank Pentangeli's brother, which instantly makes Pentangeli disavow any incriminating knowledge he has on Michael. Did they ever make it explicit why the mere presence of his brother caused him to do this? Like did they threaten to kill him or something? Sorry to throw us back a bit but I don't think anyone addressed this properly. **MAJOR GODFATHER PART II SPOILERS FOLLOW*** This is pretty much explained when Frank discusses his brother with Tom Hagen later on, and a little more when Michael argues with Kay near the end; Pentangeli's older brother is a very well-respected Mafioso who was so traditionalist he refused to even leave Sicily despite the kind of pull he could have had in the US. The Corleones let him know Frank was on the verge of breaking the code of omerta, and he came over willingly to dissuade Frank from betraying their way of life to the authorities. Just the fact he had came to the US, and his obvious shock at seeing Frank preparing to sell out his own boss in public, was enough to shame Frank out of testifying. Finally Frank and Hagen agree an 'honourable' way for Frank to get out of his predicament; Frank will commit suicide, and in return the Corleones will provide financially for his family (in the widow-and-orphan-fund sense). There's also a significant contrast that brotherhood trumps betrayal for the older generation Pentangelis, but it's the other way around for Michael and Fredo. Quite a few people seem to think that the Corleones were threatening Pentangeli's brother's life, but if he were hostage you could hardly parade him around in front of Frank in a courtroom full of FBI agents. I guess the film isn't the most straightforward-structured, I do remember being confused as hell over Michael's investigation into who tried to have him killed on my first viewing.
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In Casino when Nicky's house is being raided by the FBI, is there any significance to the Nazi movie playing on the TV?
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So I just saw Catfish and can't find a thread or discussion for it. (though I know I've seen at least some talk of it in the past) but has anything been conclusively said on whether the movie is real or not?
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This is slighty off-topic, so my apologies. Is there any way to get the old IMDB entry layout back? The new one is absolutely horrendous. It's cluttered with huge pictures and actually makes it a chore to find information quickly. Why is it webdesigners feel that they should design a site vertically, when every monitor made in the last 10 have more horizontal space? For some reason, the new design only shows up on one of my computers, so I figure it should be possible to force it to show it old school somehow.
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Squid Hat posted:So I just saw Catfish and can't find a thread or discussion for it. (though I know I've seen at least some talk of it in the past) but has anything been conclusively said on whether the movie is real or not? It's pretty safe to assume that it's real unless it is proven otherwise. At worst, they might have manipulated events and recreated a few minor things. Basically the hooplah over it being fakes comes from people skeptical whether the guys would actually be that naive. That's really it.
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Someone asked this before but was there a reason the guys went to Pesci's mom's house in Goodfellas? Also, why did he take the knife? They didn't cut him up or anything.
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The Lucas posted:Someone asked this before but was there a reason the guys went to Pesci's mom's house in Goodfellas? Also, why did he take the knife? They didn't cut him up or anything. I believe they went there because Pesci wanted to visit his mother and had borrowed the knife from her previously.
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The Lucas posted:Someone asked this before but was there a reason the guys went to Pesci's mom's house in Goodfellas? Also, why did he take the knife? They didn't cut him up or anything. They were gonna pick up a shovel. I assume Pesci was doing a little acting to his mom with that whole bit about the knife, just pretending he needed it to cut off a hoof when really that was a bunch of bullshit. Of course it ended up coming in handy. 
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Criminal Minded posted:They were gonna pick up a shovel. I assume Pesci was doing a little acting to his mom with that whole bit about the knife, just pretending he needed it to cut off a hoof when really that was a bunch of bullshit. Of course it ended up coming in handy. I guess I don't remember Goodfellas all that well.
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Trump posted:This is slighty off-topic, so my apologies. Yes. If you have an account there (it's free), there's a checkbox under preferences to go back to the old page design.
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