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I know government agencies are slow but does anybody have a time of reference for the IRS? The job announcement I applied for closed about 10 days ago and according to the announcement the planned start date for the position is around 1/31/11. I know I have to do some sort of self assessment that they will contact me about but I'm curious as to how slowly they actually move since they have a tentative start date mentioned. If you aren't selected are you even notified?
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Sep 18, 2010 06:51
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gmilo posted:I know government agencies are slow but does anybody have a time of reference for the IRS? Notification: After you have taken the self-assessment test, you will LIKELY be notified if you didn't qualify based on your self assessment test. Since the success/failure email seems to be somewhat automated the chances of you getting an email either way are pretty high. If you qualify based on your self assessment test, but you are not selected for the job, you MIGHT be notified. In my experience it's been about 50/50. And the rejection letter they send you might show up in your mail a month or so after the job has already started, depending on how on the ball they are. Time of reference: Possibly months. In the past, it has taken them three or more months to call people to tell them they start. Typically you can be notified anywhere from two weeks to one day before the day you are supposed to report for your first shift. I personally have been called on friday with my first day being the following monday after hearing nothing from them for months.
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Sep 18, 2010 18:44
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Gawain The Blind posted:Time of reference: That seems kind of ridiculous for anybody who (like myself) currently has a job and doesn't want to completely burn a bridge by not giving the standard 2 weeks notice.
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Sep 19, 2010 01:13
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CherryCola posted:You sure did! Now I just need to make sure I don't run out of money before I actually start getting a paycheck. I might be getting a temporary offer from a contractor which would help if it actually does take a whole year to do my clearance. Does the NGA ever give out interim clearance? Some answers to your various concerns: Yes, you can sometimes work with an interim clearance, but it depends on the office. You should call the HR manager you've been working with and ask -- if he/she doesn't know, see if you can talk to someone in the office you were hired in, if you know which one it is, and they will know. You can't tell them to take their time; the process is out of their hands for the most part. It probably won't actually take as long as you fear, but it could (have you lived overseas? that would make it take longer). If you've been clean, you have nothing to worry about for the clearance. Significant delinquent debt is a common reason for denial, unreported use of illegal drugs, etc. You would have an opportunity to explain yourself. As long as you are honest, there's no problem; modest marijuana use in the past is even okay as long as it was reported on your clearance form. The polygraph will simply gauge you as a criminal or terrorist threat--on a very macro, easily answerable level-- and thus is nothing to worry about either. Tell the polygrapher about your anxiety and he/she will work with you and relax you. So mostly just sit tight and eventually you'll walk in and start work. edit: unfortunately, I probably would not sign that year-long contract elsewhere if I were you, especially if your investigation is likely to be pretty open & shut once it begins, although working while waiting for your clearance is fine (if you can't work with the interim). Zoo fucked around with this message at 05:23 on Sep 19, 2010 |
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Sep 19, 2010 05:08
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Thanks so much for all the advice. This is tricky because the other job that I'm applying for is also something I really want to do...and I don't have any other leads on how I'm going to support myself while my security clearance goes through. So are you saying it's not possible to ask them to delay my assignment for a couple months? Well, if I do get this other job and they offer me a decent salary, I may have to go with them since it's so much closer to my field...even though it would also be darn helpful to have security clearance. edit: If I call back the NGA and tell them I changed my mind will that be a negative mark on my record for the rest of time? CherryCola fucked around with this message at 22:37 on Sep 19, 2010 |
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Sep 19, 2010 22:34
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Gawain The Blind posted:I have a friend who is a revenue officer but I don't have a clue. I'll ask him what you should expect if I see him. Not to be a downer, but my advice is not to go all crazy town until you have received a definite starting date. Any update on information from your revenue officer friend? I haven't gotten an e-mail to take the ROSA but my girlfriend did. The first section of the test was a bunch of "What if..." questions involving situations where someone didn't pay their taxes and was basically had financial hardships. Her, being a girl, answered most questions compassionately and didn't make it to the 2nd stage of the test. I guess the lesson learned here is to be as cutthroat as possible when taking an IRS assessment test.
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Sep 21, 2010 00:29
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Corbet posted:Any update on information from your revenue officer friend? I haven't gotten an e-mail to take the ROSA but my girlfriend did. The first section of the test was a bunch of "What if..." questions involving situations where someone didn't pay their taxes and was basically had financial hardships. Her, being a girl, answered most questions compassionately and didn't make it to the 2nd stage of the test. The RO will be up again soon enough anyways if you didnt get far into it this time, it's one of the toughest jobs in the IRS with a high turnover rate and they will be hiring every year or more.
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Sep 21, 2010 05:17
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Corbet posted:Any update on information from your revenue officer friend? No, sorry, We don't hang out that often outside of work, and I haven't really talked to him much since he got the new job (we're on opposite shifts now). I sent him an email about it. From what i've heard you do indeed want to answer that thing with "ruthless-but-friendly." If you have ever worked collections it's the same test, almost.
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Sep 21, 2010 12:45
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CherryCola posted:Thanks so much for all the advice. This is tricky because the other job that I'm applying for is also something I really want to do...and I don't have any other leads on how I'm going to support myself while my security clearance goes through. So are you saying it's not possible to ask them to delay my assignment for a couple months? They can work with you for your start date (ie, "delay your assignment"), but I thought you were asking whether you can tell them to adjust your investigation pace -- that's what they can't do. The clearances are mostly outside their hands once they submit the investigation. Usually they can't even tell you how far along you are in the investigation process. Speaking of which, re: taking the other job, keep in mind that if it doesn't put you in for the clearance (sounds like it doesn't), that's a huge advantage to sticking to the NGA path, since once it's done, it's done for five years as long as it's active. You mentioned that, but if you want to be a federal intel officer, now is probably the time. You could go the contracting route after a few years if you wanted to experiment with that. But you know which option is best for you better than me. Having more experience certainly wouldn't hurt your odds of getting an offer again if you turned down the job and applied some day later. Turning down the offer shouldn't be a negative mark, but it might raise questions if you're already well into the process. I'm not sure what happens if you turn down the job once your investigation has started. I can't think of how it'd hurt you in the future, apart from having to get offered a job again, but I can't tell you with certainty what it could affect when the investigation comes into play. My personal guess is nothing, but I would definitely ask HR that exact question. By the way, no guarantees, but I would mention the presumably superior salary offer from the private sector job to your NGA HR manager if you get an offer from the private company as well and see if NGA can adjust their offer. Agency/organization HR departments have differing policies, though, and I'm not an NGA'er so I can't be certain of how much leverage you have, but it can work at other similar agencies. You could also try to find some way to not get in the 12-mo contract, or even take the contract if you have to, don't tell NGA anything about it right now (apart from maybe salary renegotiation), and then play it by ear. You never know; your clearance investigation COULD take >12mos, or take 10mos and NGA might be able to allow a start date set to 2mos after that, and then you'd be fine to just switch over. And if not, turn down NGA at that point and explain why (caveat being that, as mentioned, I don't know matter-of-factly whether or not there are consequences for doing this once you have the clearance). Zoo fucked around with this message at 14:56 on Sep 22, 2010 |
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Sep 22, 2010 14:46
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Zoo posted:
Judging from what the 'clearance guys' tell me - if at any time you rescind your employment; the clearance process is immediately terminated once they are notified. Don't quote, but I believe your 1 year cycle kicks in at this point. It's fine for one but I wouldn't go around doing it multiple times. Zoo you're one of my favorite posters, always with the good advice :3 It honestly depends on level of clearance you're being applied for and whatever mitigating circumstances you're facing. If your private sector job is At-Will Employment (see: in the state of Virginia or Maryland) then I don't see harm in it. However don't lock yourself in a contract necessarily because there is no absolute time frame on how long your clearance process will take; NGA may very well start you on interim clearances doing administrative duties or the such. Pick whichever would make you happier, I guess!
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Sep 22, 2010 16:24
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AudioVisual/Multimedia/Graphic specialist here. Been searching USAJobs for ever for a 1071 position. But, everything always comes back as being unqualified due to experience. I could understand that if I was fresh outta the service, but I've been doing my work now for over 10 years. I'm fully experienced in all aspects of video production. What am I missing in applying to these jobs? Kind of a rant here, not really a question. But if you know the answer, well great!
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Sep 22, 2010 17:54
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I believe NGA is based on the payband scale though, as the rest of the Intelligence community, and not the General Schedule scale. It might be harder to "negotiate" with the NGA.
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Sep 22, 2010 17:56
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I have only met with success when I have applied for TSA positions. I never hear back from other jobs. I guess they must be hurting... for people like me... with a degree in Geography...
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Sep 22, 2010 19:06
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How viable is it to work for a janitorial contractor that requires a TS clearance to help in getting your foot in the door?
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Sep 22, 2010 22:01
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Gravel Gravy posted:How viable is it to work for a janitorial contractor that requires a TS clearance to help in getting your foot in the door? I thought most places like that really wouldn't hire people who didn't hold a clearance.
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Sep 22, 2010 23:24
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I am really interested in a career as a IRS Criminal Investigation Special Agent, however the last time they hired was back in 2009 and apparently they still haven't finished hiring from that posting so it seems it may be awhile before they hire again. Is there anything I can do in the meantime to increase my chances of an interview/job offer? I currently hold an accounting position at a University and I honestly can't think of anything at all that would keep me from getting a security clearance.
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Sep 22, 2010 23:54
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Anyone ever hear back from the CEP Passport Specialist Position? Was supposed to be a yea or nay at least a week ago...
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Sep 23, 2010 00:00
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Pompous Rhombus posted:Anyone ever hear back from the CEP Passport Specialist Position? Was supposed to be a yea or nay at least a week ago... Nope, still nothing.
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Sep 23, 2010 01:29
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Corbet posted:Any update on information from your revenue officer friend? I haven't gotten an e-mail to take the ROSA but my girlfriend did. The first section of the test was a bunch of "What if..." questions involving situations where someone didn't pay their taxes and was basically had financial hardships. Her, being a girl, answered most questions compassionately and didn't make it to the 2nd stage of the test. I got the email for the ROSA a couple days ago. Took it last night and got through to the second section. It's pretty amusing how everyone in the second section is either whiny or an rear end in a top hat or both. Like the guy above said... you have to act like you're in collections and pretty much be polite but remember you have a job to do and people aren't paying up. I guess its a field position since they kept talking about "surprise" visits to taxpayers and businesses to try to collect taxes. Makes me think I should probably get a CCW license for the job...
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Sep 23, 2010 03:35
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TCD posted:Will they sponsor you for a TS? I am sure that there will be a certain number of years that I would have to work for them to keep people from getting cleared and dumping them though. Pompous Rhombus posted:Anyone ever hear back from the CEP Passport Specialist Position? Was supposed to be a yea or nay at least a week ago... Yeah I have not heard a single thing from them. I've pretty much written that prospect off at this point. Gin and Juche fucked around with this message at 08:14 on Sep 23, 2010 |
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Sep 23, 2010 04:54
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Pompous Rhombus posted:Anyone ever hear back from the CEP Passport Specialist Position? Was supposed to be a yea or nay at least a week ago... Oh hey I just now got the notification of my application for this position. And I only got a 96 on the assessment. 
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Sep 23, 2010 15:25
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Sirotan posted:Oh hey I just now got the notification of my application for this position. And I only got a 96 on the assessment. I got a 95. Has anyone heard back from the other CEP positions (other than getting the assessment scores)?
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Sep 23, 2010 16:14
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88 (honest to a fault)  What the gently caress does that email even mean? "Yeah, we got your application."?
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Sep 23, 2010 16:49
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Gravel Gravy posted:Well for one company that I may do this for is having the clearance done through the State Dept. as it is in an embassy (though I haven't heard a drat thing from them for months, havent even begun the SF-86). Today, another company responded to my initial e-mail for the same type of position, different location, so who knows. Good luck!
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Sep 23, 2010 19:04
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TCD posted:So this would be a local hire at an Embassy then? No, its an American embassy in a foreign country. Weird, I agree. Pompous Rhombus posted:88 (honest to a fault) Hear hear integrigoon. I got an e-mail this morning as well, and unfortunately I received an 80. Gin and Juche fucked around with this message at 20:45 on Sep 23, 2010 |
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Sep 23, 2010 20:40
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I got a 91. But with the rate of how competitive these things are, I don't expect to hear anything further. Also got a NoR letter back for an archives position I applied for. I got an EL rating but no numerical score. Is that normal? EDIT: Never mind, got a referal letter just now for the same position. Got a score of 91.
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Sep 23, 2010 21:56
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Boondock Saint posted:I got a 91. But with the rate of how competitive these things are, I don't expect to hear anything further. I got the same thing from Homeland Security for an IT job; EL rating, nothing after that. I think that means I'm... eligible to be qualified?  God, I need a new job.
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Sep 23, 2010 22:41
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Not that I shouldn't be applying for anything I can find*, but I think I'm taking a hydra approach to this government job thing; for every one I don't get accepted for, I apply for two more. Also heard back from the FBI that I was Eligible - Not Referred to Hiring Official, which is hardly surprising. Something's gotta give, eventually! my will *I should mention here I'm required to make a "good faith" effort for the next two years to find a job relating to national security, so I'm pretty much applying for everything I'm qualified for, snowball's chance in hell or not. Pompous Rhombus fucked around with this message at 23:00 on Sep 23, 2010 |
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Sep 23, 2010 22:56
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Lol at my former law school's idiot career services people trying to say that GS-13/15 positions with DHS are "entry level".
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Sep 23, 2010 23:46
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Got an e-mail from the HR people. Basically if you scored less than a 97, you are right out for everything.
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Sep 24, 2010 01:04
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Gravel Gravy posted:
Haha, jesus: quote:The minimum score required for referral to hiring managers was:
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Sep 24, 2010 01:08
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My favorite part of that e-mail:quote:IF your score was high enough to be referred to hiring managers, it does not necessarily mean you are qualified to continue in the process. I will follow up with more information within the next 5 weeks (by Oct 30, 2010). I need to review each qualified individual’s application and spend some time referring you to our hiring managers who are interested in reviewing your resumes. Your patience is greatly appreciated. Just how in the gently caress is anyone supposed to be able to get a loving job here?
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Sep 24, 2010 01:09
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Jesus christ. I got all excited for a minute thinking I got a 97 for the Detroit job, but no. Thats the one I got the email for yesterday and its a whole loving one point lower, 96. Guess I'll be answering every question with a yes come January.
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Sep 24, 2010 01:15
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I know right? I am pale, male, but no Yale. And 2/3 ain't bad damnit!
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Sep 24, 2010 01:16
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Well I'm not really sure what else I can do at this point. Its called the "Career Entry Program" so they assume you want to enter into a career in the State Department. I have a Masters, I've even interned at the State Department. How do I enter into a career in the federal government if they are only taking people who already have careers in the federal government?
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Sep 24, 2010 01:21
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Gravel Gravy posted:I know right? I am pale, male, but no Yale. And 2/3 ain't bad damnit! I am going to use this from now on when people ask why I don't have a career type job yet.
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Sep 24, 2010 01:52
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Boondock Saint posted:I am going to use this from now on when people ask why I don't have a career type job yet. I picked two useless majors, studied a useless language, and didn't work for free as an intern when I was a student/have connections where I could make nepotism work for me upon graduation.
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Sep 24, 2010 02:10
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I got a call yesterday from a colleague at another command wanting to hire me for a job I hadn't even applied for. Not the first time this has happened, either. All ya'll really have to do is just be awesome at what you do and opportunities will just roll on in!
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Pompous Rhombus posted:I picked two useless majors, studied a useless language, and didn't work for free as an intern when I was a student/have connections where I could make nepotism work for me upon graduation. And that's the even shittier thing for me. I did the internship thing and I have the connections that go with it. Unfortunately, they mean jack poo poo in an economy/hiring environment like this. Seriously it's only been 4 months since I graduated, so I'm optimistic that this kinda thing can't last forever...right?
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grover posted:I got a call yesterday from a colleague at another command wanting to hire me for a job I hadn't even applied for. Not the first time this has happened, either. All ya'll really have to do is just be awesome at what you do and opportunities will just roll on in! I'd agree with you, except that I find myself in the "can't get a job without experience, can't get experience without a job" miasma that so many others in this thread are in as well. This latest debacle with the CEP program is just another great example. I have an MA from a top ten university, I busted my rear end at school, ran one club and helped run three others, interned with a fairly prestigious think tank, have experience living and working abroad, and I speak Arabic at a decent level. Yet all of this isn't even enough to get one foot in the door with the Career Entry program or to pass the QEPs. I know that you're trying to be encouraging, but it seems kind of futile when very few of us are in the position to be doing anything. I'd wager that any of the people in this thread with federal aspirations could do any job we're given awesomely, but it sometimes feels like we'll never get a chance to prove it thanks to the impossibly high/impossibly opaque requirements needed just to get noticed by DoS/whatever.
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