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Aratoeldar
Mar 21, 2005
I really do wish that GoG would be able to get its hands on more S.S.I games. Such as Pacific General, Panzer General (original) and the Gold Box games specifically the first two Eye of the Beholder games. :argh:

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Irony.or.Death
Apr 1, 2009


For people asking about Arcanum: go with a magic character. Invest every point you get into learning disintegrate. You can now get through the entire game with no real risk or danger ever, so you're free to gently caress around with whatever catches your eye.

Sankis
Mar 8, 2004

But I remember the fella who told me. Big lad. Arms as thick as oak trees, a stunning collection of scars, nice eye patch. A REAL therapist he was. Er wait. Maybe it was rapist?


Irony.or.Death posted:

For people asking about Arcanum: go with a magic character. Invest every point you get into learning disintegrate. You can now get through the entire game with no real risk or danger ever, so you're free to gently caress around with whatever catches your eye.

Or just play whatever you want because you don't need to play the most overpowered combo to enjoy a game. It's perfectly playable with any other class.

Irony.or.Death
Apr 1, 2009


Yes, but the questions I was seeing specifically referenced not actually wanting to have to learn a new game. If you are interested in learning a game you don't really need a guide.

Haruharuharuko
Mar 24, 2008

Yeah I lied; so what is the truth?

Ok just bought BG PS:T and MoO 1 + 2. How th gently caress did I never hear abount Master of Orion until like this year. This is without a doubt aside from Civ the best turn based strategy game ever.

Feels Villeneuve
Oct 7, 2007

Setter is Better.
God, I love PST being on GOG, only thing that could make me happier at this point is The Last Express

doctorfrog
Mar 14, 2007

Great.

Haruharuharuko posted:

Ok just bought BG PS:T and MoO 1 + 2. How th gently caress did I never hear abount Master of Orion until like this year. This is without a doubt aside from Civ the best turn based strategy game ever.

I'd be a heck of a lot happier if they just brought back an updated version of MoO2 with better AI and better graphics. The graphics wouldn't even need to be 3D objects, I'd totally go for lovingly-drawn sprites. No need for new features. To quote Homer Simpson haranguing BTO: "No! No talking, no new crap, just play Takin' Care of Business!" I'd take this over Civ V in a heartbeat.

I'm sure they'll get right on that after developing the exact same thing, but for the original XCOM.

What I'm asking for is a developer with the same mindset as GOG: old games is best games, so let's remake good old games and make them just slightly awesomer. Is that asking too much? (Yes, yes it is.)

signalnoise
Mar 7, 2008

i was told my old av was distracting

doctorfrog posted:

What I'm asking for is a developer with the same mindset as GOG: old games is best games, so let's remake good old games and make them just slightly awesomer. Is that asking too much? (Yes, yes it is.)

What I see GOG doing is actually just making it so that for a small price you can play hard to get games with no hassle.


I really want them to get Temple of Elemental Evil.

Dissapointed Owl
Jan 30, 2008

You wrote me a letter,
and this is how it went:

Haruharuharuko posted:

Ok just bought BG PS:T and MoO 1 + 2. How th gently caress did I never hear abount Master of Orion until like this year. This is without a doubt aside from Civ the best turn based strategy game ever.

Oh man, you are really selling me this... and I haven't even played Civ! So it's still a really good game that could compete (well, besides graphically) with games of its ilk today?

The Flying Milton
Jan 18, 2005

Welp. Paypalled from the hip. Never played PS:T but I've always heard wonderful things.

Irony.or.Death
Apr 1, 2009


Dissapointed Owl posted:

So it's still a really good game that could compete (well, besides graphically) with games of its ilk today?



Yes. Not that that's saying much when you look at the competition for a recent 4X, but MoO2 is a really good game.

Haruharuharuko
Mar 24, 2008

Yeah I lied; so what is the truth?

Dissapointed Owl posted:

Oh man, you are really selling me this... and I haven't even played Civ! So it's still a really good game that could compete (well, besides graphically) with games of its ilk today?

I haven't stopped playing it since I bought it two days ago. Without a doubt the best turn based strat. game I have ever played. I've won like less than 200 turns in through diplomacy I've loving rushed headlong into the Antarans (basically the zerg evil they come kill you race) and won even wiping out everyone else they are all fun as hell. I just am pissed I never heard of this game earlier.

Dissapointed Owl
Jan 30, 2008

You wrote me a letter,
and this is how it went:
Oh man, bought.

Skeezy
Jul 3, 2007

Bought Planescape a couple hours ago (for the longest time I've been calling it Planetscape Torment) and I'm totally enjoying it. However, I'm going to start it over to really get into the what I'm doing, all I've done is install the mods and move around the game a bit to get a feel for it.

Is there some standard starter build that would help for the beginning or what? I don't know if it really matters but I want to start off the best way possible stats wise.

Malkar
Aug 19, 2010

Taste the cloud

Skeezy posted:

Bought Planescape a couple hours ago (for the longest time I've been calling it Planetscape Torment) and I'm totally enjoying it. However, I'm going to start it over to really get into the what I'm doing, all I've done is install the mods and move around the game a bit to get a feel for it.

Is there some standard starter build that would help for the beginning or what? I don't know if it really matters but I want to start off the best way possible stats wise.

Wisdom and intel are the most important stats.

im_sorry
Jan 15, 2006

(9999)
Ultra Carp
"You probably don't need to buy it.. you bought a copy from a used video store in 2002 for five dollars, and played it back then before giving it away. Why would you want to spend your money on this?"
\
:backtowork:

Needless to say, I have Planescape too. Again.

tankadillo
Aug 15, 2006

Fag Boy Jim posted:

God, I love PST being on GOG, only thing that could make me happier at this point is The Last Express
Why hasn't The Last Expressed been re-released at some point anyway? Is there some legal issue or is it pure lack of demand or just fear that it will bomb as hard as it did at the initial release?

Gehenomm
May 1, 2008

Ask me about hitting on mathematicians.

Haruharuharuko posted:

I haven't stopped playing it since I bought it two days ago. Without a doubt the best turn based strat. game I have ever played. I've won like less than 200 turns in through diplomacy I've loving rushed headlong into the Antarans (basically the zerg evil they come kill you race) and won even wiping out everyone else they are all fun as hell. I just am pissed I never heard of this game earlier.


Okay, in MoO1, did you notice that creating swarms of tiny ships equipped with mass drivers (halves shields) lets you bassically curbstomp every mofo you meet?

Even the Guardian of Orion.

Screw diplomatic victories, i just committed genocide on a galactic scale.

GoldenNugget
Mar 27, 2008
:dukedog:

Malkar posted:

Wisdom and intel are the most important stats.

mages are apparently pretty fun but you get that later in the game.

sethsez
Jul 14, 2006

He's soooo dreamy...

Dissapointed Owl posted:

Oh man, you are really selling me this... and I haven't even played Civ! So it's still a really good game that could compete (well, besides graphically) with games of its ilk today?

Master of Orion 2 is the best game on GoG, and that's including the last few games they've released.

ToxicFrog
Apr 26, 2008


GoldenNugget posted:

mages are apparently pretty fun but you get that later in the game.

If by "later" you mean "pretty much right at the start", yes.

But that has nothing to do with why Wis and Int are the best stats:

- Wis gives a bonus to experience earned, and unlocks lots of dialogue options
- Int is vital for spellcasting (and playing a caster rules), and unlocks lots of dialogue options
- Cha unlocks lots of dialogue options.

And Planescape is all about the dialogue. The combat stats are your dump stats; none of the combat is that hard and you'll have two other party members to take up the slack before you even reach the first real combat area. The text is where the game shines, and having high Wis/Int/Cha gets you more of it.

So, you want as much Wis and Int as you can, then Cha, then the other three. The game is liberal enough with stat boosts and experience that it's not hard to have all three at 25 by the end.

Also, there's a few really cool ways you can talk the final boss to death.

Catgirl Al Capone
Dec 15, 2007

raezr posted:

Why hasn't The Last Expressed been re-released at some point anyway? Is there some legal issue or is it pure lack of demand or just fear that it will bomb as hard as it did at the initial release?

I'm pretty sure GameTap has it, but I haven't seen it on any other digital download service.

macnbc
Dec 13, 2006

brb, time travelin'

sethsez posted:

Master of Orion 2 is the best game on GoG, and that's including the last few games they've released.

Journeyman Project 2 says no. :colbert:

Master of Orion 1 and 2 are close behind it though. It's one of the few games I can sit down and play a round of year after year after year after year..

Lykourgos
Feb 17, 2010

by T. Finn

sethsez posted:

Master of Orion 2 is the best game on GoG, and that's including the last few games they've released.

This... is probably correct. There are a lot of strong contenders, though:

- Master of Magic
- Castles I & II
- Jagged Alliance II
- Complete Heroes of M&M III

Age of Wonders II Shadow Magic is coming out, Fallout, etc... There's too wide a variety of good games on GOG to weigh them satisfactorily.

Kreeblah
May 17, 2004

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Taco Defender
I bought Planescape Torment, but I'm quickly being reminded why I don't usually play CRPGs from the late 90s (the interface is poo poo).

:v:: OK, I need to get a key to get out of the morgue.
:zombie:: Splort.
:v:: Time to see where I need to go next.
:downs:: I need a key to open this door.
:v:: Well, maybe it's this other door.
:downs:: I need a key to open this door.
:raise:: Apparently I need to use the key manually. Whatever. He's standing next to the door, so let's put it in the "quick item" area and try to use it from there. The manual says I should use this key icon in the right-click menu and then select an item, but I'm just getting a purple border around it. I'm guessing I need to click on the door at some point to actually use it, but my cursor hasn't changed or anything.
:downs:: I need a key to open this door.
:mad:: Well, maybe it's the other door.
:downs:: I need a key to open this door.
:fuckoff:

I still don't know how to use this drat key and the manual is really "helpful" with this:

TFM posted:

Use Item
Left-clicking on this button causes the selected
character to use the next item that you select
with your mouse.

Yeah, that's obviously working. Great job, guys. I can see why you're still in business.

Malkar
Aug 19, 2010

Taste the cloud

Kreeblah posted:

I bought Planescape Torment, but I'm quickly being reminded why I don't usually play CRPGs from the late 90s (the interface is poo poo).

:v:: OK, I need to get a key to get out of the morgue.
:zombie:: Splort.
:v:: Time to see where I need to go next.
:downs:: I need a key to open this door.
:v:: Well, maybe it's this other door.
:downs:: I need a key to open this door.
:raise:: Apparently I need to use the key manually. Whatever. He's standing next to the door, so let's put it in the "quick item" area and try to use it from there. The manual says I should use this key icon in the right-click menu and then select an item, but I'm just getting a purple border around it. I'm guessing I need to click on the door at some point to actually use it, but my cursor hasn't changed or anything.
:downs:: I need a key to open this door.
:mad:: Well, maybe it's the other door.
:downs:: I need a key to open this door.
:fuckoff:

I still don't know how to use this drat key and the manual is really "helpful" with this:


Yeah, that's obviously working. Great job, guys. I can see why you're still in business.

There's only one key you actually -need- in the opening area.

Xachariah
Jul 26, 2004

Kreeblah posted:

I bought Planescape Torment, but I'm quickly being reminded why I don't usually play CRPGs from the late 90s (the interface is poo poo).

:v:: OK, I need to get a key to get out of the morgue.
:zombie:: Splort.
:v:: Time to see where I need to go next.
:downs:: I need a key to open this door.
:v:: Well, maybe it's this other door.
:downs:: I need a key to open this door.
:raise:: Apparently I need to use the key manually. Whatever. He's standing next to the door, so let's put it in the "quick item" area and try to use it from there. The manual says I should use this key icon in the right-click menu and then select an item, but I'm just getting a purple border around it. I'm guessing I need to click on the door at some point to actually use it, but my cursor hasn't changed or anything.
:downs:: I need a key to open this door.
:mad:: Well, maybe it's the other door.
:downs:: I need a key to open this door.
:fuckoff:

I still don't know how to use this drat key and the manual is really "helpful" with this:


Yeah, that's obviously working. Great job, guys. I can see why you're still in business.

I don't understand the problem. You just open the door normally and it automatically consumes the key. I think you're clicking on the wrong door.

Single Tight Female
Jan 17, 2008

Kreeblah posted:

I need a key to open this door.

There's like 3 zombies in the starting area, you kill the one with the key, open the door in the top left. You don't need it in your quick slot or anything else. Maybe you need the person carrying the key to open it, and you have Morte selected or something. But seriously dude, it's not that hard (and not worth getting worked up over)

FearOfABlackKnob
Nov 5, 2008

by Ozma
Nah. it's HOMM 3.

Armor-Piercing
Sep 22, 2009

Nightly dance
of bleeding swords


I'd have to check to make absolutely sure, but I'm almost positive Edit: I just checked, and it doesn't even have to be in that specific character's inventory. As long as the key is in the inventory of one of characters, any character can click on the door and it will open. Same with items that are used as part of dialogue trees.

The only way you could possibly get confused in that first room is that there are two doors. There's the portcullis-looking set that you can see onscreen right when you start the game, and another set over in the left corner. So yeah, kill the zombie, pick up the key with anyone, and click on the door with anyone. That's it.

Armor-Piercing fucked around with this message at 04:31 on Sep 29, 2010

Sneaksie Taffer
Sep 21, 2009

Sankis posted:

Or just play whatever you want because you don't need to play the most overpowered combo to enjoy a game. It's perfectly playable with any other class.

Yeah, my first time through I beat it with a throwing specialist. Boomerang supremacy! There's no way I was min/maxed for it.

Kreeblah
May 17, 2004

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Taco Defender

Xachariah posted:

I don't understand the problem. You just open the door normally and it automatically consumes the key. I think you're clicking on the wrong door.

There are two doors that I can find in the room. One in the northwest and one in the south. Clicking on both of them gets me the same thing. And, yes, I'm clicking on it with the Nameless One, who is also the one carrying the key. Unless there's something I'm missing, there's only the one key in the room, which is the Preparation Room Key that I have.

Elmo Oxygen
Jun 11, 2007

Kazuo Misaki Superfan #3

Don't make me lift my knee, young man.
The IE games are actually kind of a high water mark for RPG interfaces.

Armor-Piercing
Sep 22, 2009

Nightly dance
of bleeding swords


Kreeblah posted:

There are two doors that I can find in the room. One in the northwest and one in the south. Clicking on both of them gets me the same thing. And, yes, I'm clicking on it with the Nameless One, who is also the one carrying the key. Unless there's something I'm missing, there's only the one key in the room, which is the Preparation Room Key that I have.

I just checked again, and I was wrong too. I never noticed that door at the South end. So yeah, there are three doors. South end, North center, and Northwest corner. The one you want is in the Northwest corner, just to the left of the table where you get the scalpel.

Kreeblah
May 17, 2004

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Taco Defender

Armor-Piercing posted:

I just checked again, and I was wrong too. I never noticed that door at the South end. So yeah, there are three doors. South end, North center, and Northwest corner. The one you want is in the Northwest corner, just to the left of the table where you get the scalpel.

Oh, God drat it. I thought that was a wall. Apparently I'm retarded.

Zat
Jan 16, 2008

The best games on GOG are Gabriel Knights 1 to 3, but then I always liked point-and-click adventures way too much anyway heh.

JazzFlight
Apr 29, 2006

Oooooooooooh!

Zat posted:

The best games on GOG are Gabriel Knights 1 to 3, but then I always liked point-and-click adventures way too much anyway heh.
Gabriel Knight 3? Even with the cat hair mustache puzzle?

Factory Davey
Jan 9, 2010

I am aware of what the hands look like. I did my best. :(
I don't think I've ever gone from utter distain to love within a week before.
Needless to say, Planescape's installing, like, right now. :rock:

jonjonaug
Mar 26, 2010

by Lowtax

Kreeblah posted:

Oh, God drat it. I thought that was a wall.

This is one of the things I dislike about old isometric RPGs. It can be sometimes difficult to make out what you're supposed to be clicking on. There's one point in PS:T where this gets really annoying (the part where you need to fix the alleyway so that it can give birth).

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evilmiera
Dec 14, 2009

Status: Ravenously Rambunctious
P... Planescape?

Well, allright then, time to go spend my hard-earned money again.

Besides, I need something other than say, Constructor and Arcanum on my account.

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