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Lilosh posted:My contracts professor (who is apparently a "legend in the field" and can do whatever the gently caress he wants) has a "I take attendance at the beginning and if you miss two or more classes you fail the final and the class" policy. By 9 a.m., I have been up for at least 4 hours, made three breakfasts and lunches, washed and dressed three kids, delivered them to school/preschool, showered and dressed, got to the office, and worked for at least an hour. Quit whining.
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Lilosh posted:I have a question for Mookie, or anyone who actually has a lawyer job (So probably only him) Some clients do not like seeing it on the bill, but I just dump it into an internal billing number then. I am not going to actually go research cases in books, and I do not know anyone who ever has. I actually frequently use paper treatises of my own volition. I just find it easier.
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Solomon Grundy posted:By 9 a.m., I have been up for at least 4 hours, made three breakfasts and lunches, washed and dressed three kids, delivered them to school/preschool, showered and dressed, got to the office, and worked for at least an hour. Remember Lilosh, you are getting a professional degree. Time to play the part. Just be happy they don't make you show up at 7am in a suit.
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Lilosh posted:I have a question for Mookie, or anyone who actually has a lawyer job (So probably only him) Caveat: I am a bibliophile, so if I can justify using books, I will. However, Westlaw/Lexis has been better than books since the mid 90s when modem speeds and interfaces/browsers made electronic research faster than using books. I would expect that it costs more to maintain a useful paper law library than it costs to have a lexis/westlaw account. Plus the time spent checking a digest, pulling a case and then shepardizing it (or whatever they did in the old days) will cost several times the time spent on Lexis/Westlaw. Big firms will have Lexis/Westlaw. Depending on your state, most of the stuff you will need day-to-day is available free online anyway. Knowing book research will earn you Rainman points that one time in your career when there's no internet connectivity for some weird reason. Learn boolean searches. You're in law school. You've got the time and the resources to learn both book and electronic research. What can it hurt? Bibliophile rejoinder: Doing electronic research will never give you a boner. Doing book research here will:
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Solomon Grundy posted:By 9 a.m., I have been up for at least 4 hours, made three breakfasts and lunches, washed and dressed three kids, delivered them to school/preschool, showered and dressed, got to the office, and worked for at least an hour.
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Green Crayons posted:Next time I see a 5 o'clock-and-change Grundy post, I can only assume some child out there isn't getting a healthy breakfast/lunch that day. Ate these almost daily and look at me now, I'm in law school!
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Lilosh posted:My 1L research professor is making a big thing about THE BOOOOOOKS and how bosses will want us to use THE BOOOOOOOKS for research instead of wasting time and money by using electronic sources, specifically Westlaw/Lexis. (granted, He's mentioned how ungodly expensive westlaw can be) It's pretty standard for your first couple of assignments to be books only. Even if you had to use the books, you can probably get the firm librarian to do most of the work for you. It is useful to have a firm grasp of both Westlaw and Lexis even if you like one over the other though, not all firms do the unlimited billing and if they do, they don't always do it for both.
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Solomon Grundy posted:By 9 a.m., I have been up for at least 4 hours, made three breakfasts and lunches, washed and dressed three kids, delivered them to school/preschool, showered and dressed, got to the office, and worked for at least an hour. What's your wife doing?
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joat mon posted:Doing electronic research will never give you a boner. The internet has come through again
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Wyatt posted:Remember Lilosh, you are getting a professional degree. Time to play the part. Just be happy they don't make you show up at 7am in a suit. Past the first year, they are making you play a ridiculous, unnecessary bullshit game that has absolutely nothing to do with the practice of law and is nothing more than a gigantic game of hide-the-ball. Get by with as little work as possible. I'll skip class if it's raining. But if my boss wants me in on a weekend or to work late or skip class, by God I'm there and I'm there earlier than he is. It's easy to be a professional when you're treated like one. Take that with a grain of salt as I'm bitter and bitchy. G-Mawwwwwww fucked around with this message at 04:55 on Sep 29, 2010 |
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Solomon Grundy posted:By 9 a.m., I have been up for at least 4 hours, made three breakfasts and lunches, washed and dressed three kids, delivered them to school/preschool, showered and dressed, got to the office, and worked for at least an hour. pfft, bond court starts at 7:30am scrubs
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Lilosh posted:I have a question for Mookie, or anyone who actually has a lawyer job (So probably only him) Books work for a few things, getting code sections quick and CALCRIM, but that is about it. Unlimited lexis.
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Lilosh posted:I have a question for Mookie, or anyone who actually has a lawyer job (So probably only him) For rules of crim pro / civil pro / appellate pro / admin pro etc, the Official State Books are infinitely helpful because after each rule they have a synopsis of cases dealing with that rule. That being said, I come from a small jurisdiction where all that poo poo is in one (gigantic) tomb. If you have several (dozen) tombs, YYMV. These books are real-life books by the way, not those lovely books you get in 1L. They're, like, the actual books of civ pro and crim pro. That being said, if you 'tarded 1L professor insists on 'spergin' (god I can add an apostrophe to both ends of that word) about textbooks, then he can go gently caress himself. No real life lawyer on the planet cares about the facts of Spivey v. Bataglia (my favorite Torts case) and they will never care. For everything other than the local rules of the court, Westlaw or Lexis is your most direct route. But, remember that if you work in private practice, you will have to pay for Westlaw/Lexis (which means you charge your clients for Westlaw/Lexis) which can get loving expensive. If you get hired by a private firm and fall into your law school free-for-all research habits, you can easily wrack up $20k in bills for Exxon / Toys'r'us / Costco / whatever. Book research only costs as much as the books cost. BigHead fucked around with this message at 08:20 on Sep 29, 2010 |
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Incredulous Red posted:What's your wife doing? She commutes an hour into the Big City to work a Big Job. She leaves around 6 a.m. and gets home to pick up the kids around 5. BRB - I have two more PBJs to make.
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Stop posted:Duke Priority Track? best track Campout is this weekend and the children are freaking out about a CivPro midterm that follows hard upon. At least several people in my section summarized a good many of the federal rules of civil procedure in their outlines. Please tell me this is unnecessary.
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Wasn't someone in here writing a novel or comic book or something about a district attorney who fights crime on the side? You should call your lawyer. http://www.deadline.com/2010/09/sam-raimis-stars-road-sets-3-tv-projects/#more-70774 quote:In its first development season since focusing on primetime TV with a first-look deal at Sony TV and the hire of CBS' Robert Zotnowski as TV head, Sam Raimi and Joshua Donen's Stars Road Entertainment has sold 3 hourlong projects to 3 networks, Fox, ABC and CBS.
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Solomon Grundy posted:And for you weenies bitching about attendance requirements, back when I went to law school my TTT had a three-absence-then-fail policy. So quit whining and get out of bed and go to class. Lilosh posted:Upon your answer depends how much I pay attention to his emphatic jumping up and down about THE BOOOOOOOKS You will never ever do all your research from them, and they're probably not as important as your legal writing professor contends, but they are still useful tools. And in my very limited experience, partners really appreciate associates/summers who spend a little time in the library (and, whenever given the opportunity, they bitch about how much money most junior associates spend on Westlaw), so it is a fantastic way to subtly suck up Soothing Vapors fucked around with this message at 13:31 on Sep 29, 2010 |
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Sulecrist posted:best track Is it closed book? My Civ Pro exam allowed a copy of the rules. If it's completely closed, then yeah I would be putting rules in my outline and on notecards and poo poo, I mean the class is about the FRCP why not study them?
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http://www.cnn.com/2010/LIVING/09/29/tf.afraid.to.date.debt/index.html?hpt=Sbinquote:-- Dear Wendy: Dear SomethingAwful Forum Goon,
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J Miracle posted:Is it closed book? My Civ Pro exam allowed a copy of the rules. If it's completely closed, then yeah I would be putting rules in my outline and on notecards and poo poo, I mean the class is about the FRCP why not study them? No commercial outlines or internet, but everything else is in. Also, it's an hour long.
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M R GALLETA posted:What is the fastest you can go through Law School? I don't have a lot of time (already in my 30's) so I would want to wrap it up fast. I've been in the legal system before as a client (not as a lawyer) so I have experience. Do they give you court credit if you have been in there before? In some states I think you can challenge the Bar exam without training or with some sort of judicial clerkship thing. Just tell them you watched a lot of Law & Order and you're really good at debating; they'll nod sagely and hand you a membership card.
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nm posted:I work for a PDs office. Our library exists but no one uses it and is getting slashed. Similar situation here, Lilosh; I work in a prosecution office and we get unlimited lexis and there’s a library with lots of annotated copies of the code. There are other books in the library, too, but I’ll be damned if I’ve ever touched them. We get unlimited westlaw access in certain locations, but I only used it once and we aren’t issued personal westlaw accounts.
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This blog is amazing: http://chris-armstrong-watch.blogspot.com/ A staffer in the Michigan AG office (who apparently went to Michigan undergrad and Ave Maria Law) maintains an absolutely insane blog where he slings mud at the current Michigan Student Assembly president for his "homosexual agenda". It's full of stuff like this, after the intrepid reporter found some Facebook wall posts which were obviously intended to troll him personally: quote:
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michigan is literally the worst state in your pitiable union
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Soothing Vapors posted:michigan is literally the worst state in your pitiable union Well... America has somewhere in the vicinity of 50 states, and a good number of them give michigan serious competition for that title. States like Alabama are literally international household terms for stupidity. Also, remember all those Americans who thought Russia had launched an invasion of Georgia (apparently also the name of a US state) a while back? They're probably spread throughout the union, which really puts every state on the table as a viable pick for worst. Lykourgos fucked around with this message at 16:01 on Sep 29, 2010 |
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Soothing Vapors posted:michigan is literally the worst state in your pitiable union Michigan owns, the Midwest owns, gently caress you! gvibes posted:If there were jobs and weren't so many jesus people there, I would totally move to Grand Rapids. Basically the two main reasons I moved out of Grand Rapids to Chicago, despite growing up there (which makes me admittedly biased!). Still, Michigan has a lot of great things about it; mostly nature-related so I guess if you're not a big outdoorsman it would be like anywhere else but more isolated and Jesus-filled. Defleshed fucked around with this message at 17:33 on Sep 29, 2010 |
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If there were jobs and weren't so many jesus people there, I would totally move to Grand Rapids.
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Got a second interview out of OCIs. Now all I gotta do is be able to hang in one place for an hour or two appearing to be a marketable and interesting hire and not alienate anyone. Oh yeah I'm a goon.
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Soothing Vapors posted:michigan is literally the worst state in your pitiable union texas
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Soothing Vapors posted:michigan is literally the worst state in your pitiable union New York
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Linguica posted:This blog is amazing: http://chris-armstrong-watch.blogspot.com/ If it is, he just trolled the hell out of Anderson Cooper: http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/09/28/michigan.justice.blog/index.html?hpt=C1 also, he already has his own thread: http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3352548
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evilweasel posted:texas Michigan does not have tacos.
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evilweasel posted:texas Respectfully disagree - Austin is a badass city, and there are tons of hot chicks and good bbq throughout. I mean what's crackin in South Dakota? What does South Dakota do or have? Seriously.
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CaptainScraps posted:Michigan does not have tacos. hey I've had plenty of awesome tacos in michigan son. Plus we're the dark horse of craft beer states, there's a shitload of great breweries here. No jobs though
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CaptainScraps posted:Michigan does not have tacos. sigmachiev posted:I mean what's crackin in South Dakota? What does South Dakota do or have? Seriously.
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J Miracle posted:hey I've had plenty of awesome tacos in michigan son. You only think you have awesome tacos.
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sigmachiev posted:I mean what's crackin in South Dakota? What does South Dakota do or have? Seriously. Wall Drug
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Roger_Mudd posted:You only think you have awesome tacos. It's truth. I used to think a dim sum joint I frequented was awesome until I went to Hong Kong. What they do to siu mai is so depressing here
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J Miracle posted:No jobs though Rick Perry reminds me daily that Texas has tons of jobs, so we win there. On the downside: Rick Perry.
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