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Shimrra Jamaane posted:So, prior to the prequels (or at least AoTC) what did you all believe The Clone Wars were? I didn't imagine any backstory for Boba Fett let alone the droids, though I thought Chewbacca might have had a role somewhere. I didn't imagine moron war droids at any point. I didn't picture clones being maori dudes. I didn't think the clones would turn into stormtroopers. That totally ruins the moment in ANH where you realise the stormies are just dumb recruits in armour - "What do you think's going on?" "Probably just another drill?" "So, have you seen the new <random technical thing>?". I didn't imagine that the Republic cleanly turned into the Empire, but I sort of like that to be honest. From what I looked at on various wikis, one of the admirals in the Clone Wars cartoon later becomes head of the Imperial secret police and has a seat at the Death Star round table in ANH. I thought that and the shot of Tarkin at the end of ROTS were pretty neat. I was expecting a trilogy about the gradual corruption of good people due to the pervasive evil of the dark side. T-1000 fucked around with this message at 23:10 on Oct 8, 2010 |
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ImpAtom posted:An abortion. Yeah, that's really bad even by TFU standards. The game already looks like some ADHD appeasing clusterfuck from the gameplay videos with millions of enemies on the screen at once at all times in the first area. The story just makes it even worse and I'm sure the new president probably poo poo canned it so they could still make Star Wars games. EDIT: On the Clone Wars, I never really knew what to think because even at a young age I knew what a clone was and what it entailed. Reading the Thrawn trilogy pretty much cemented the conflict as a war using cloned soldiers and that cloning was a banned technology because of that war. Clones were also unstable in the books so I assumed only the "evil" faction used them and also because Palpatine used it. I never really thought more about it because it just seemed somewhat unimportant. RocknRollaAyatollah fucked around with this message at 23:14 on Oct 8, 2010 |
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Ein Bear posted:What the gently caress. That reads like the ending of a sitcom or cartoon where the characters all learn a very important lesson
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Ein Bear posted:What the gently caress. Well, apparently he stays in the background because he doesn't want the Rebel Alliance to depend on him. I guess he helps out behind the scenes and nobody thinks to mention the hyper-Jedi that's going around blowing up planets or whatever Starkiller is doing this week.
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Oct 9, 2010 02:14
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I honestly refuse to believe that they didn't have a goal to gently caress with the continuity as much as horribly possible.
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Oct 9, 2010 02:21
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:I honestly refuse to believe that they didn't have a goal to gently caress with the continuity as much as horribly possible. The third game would have revealed that due to stint in a time machine, Starkiller is actually Luke's dad as Padme cheated on Vader with Starkiller. Oh and he invented the lightsaber.
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Oct 9, 2010 02:24
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Turns out at the end of this one, they actually kill Vader and replace him with Anakin's brother Steve. Then Starkiller beats Palpatine and gives him a stern talking-to about being nice.
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Oct 9, 2010 02:28
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Alderaan isn't destroyed, they just created a copy of the planet to fool the Empire!
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Barudak posted:I figured it was a war between huge masses of clones occuring between dozens of splinter factions of the republic. Basically, mass cloning became cheap enough that created an infantry army was pathetically cheap and systems no longer needed to look to the republic for protection. A massive decades long civil war ensues during which time untold destruction is unleashed upon the galaxy. I figured it'd be something like this, too. Not a war between two distinct sides (although, perhaps, it could have started out that way - maybe with two groups sending cloned soldiers against each other, "which is OK, because no real people die, right?"), but rather a many-sided mess where every faction with a grudge against another faction decides to take their shots while they can. Think of a thousand years of peace, disintegrating in a domino effect. A lot of the factions would be using cloning, but some of them wouldn't have the equipment necessary, and as the war drags on, the clones can't be produced in enough numbers, so everyone ends up sending non-clones to die as well. The Jedi should have followed their own loyalties - most would have stayed with the Order, which would probably have sided with the remaining government of the Republic, but some should have returned to their home planets and joined their cause. It should have been a conflict that left deep scars on the known galaxy, much like World War I did in Europe. The Clone Wars should have left the populace of the galaxy so desperate for peace and order that they would accept any leadership, even that of the Empire, provided that they could provide safety. To let my imagination run wild for a moment: Palpatine should have been Julius Caesar, elected dictator-for-life by the cheering mob. Or, even better, he should have been Octavian. Someone else, no doubt dancing on Palpatine's strings, should have been the great hero, the statesman who drew together the shreds of the Republic and created from them the Empire - and then, at his moment of triumph, he should have been assassinated, either by the Jedi or by someone posing as a Jedi. Palpatine would have been behind it, of course. Then Palpatine, taking advantage of the public outrage, wipes out the Jedi and establishes himself as Emperor. Ein Bear posted:What the gently caress. Oh, they use him alright. Who do you think stole the Death Star plans?  Ninja edit: The best part of this is that according to Lucas, TFU is movie-level canon.
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Oct 9, 2010 02:56
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Starkiller guides Luke's torpedo into the exhaust port. This will be a minigame in the sequel. Starkiller will be eating breakfast as he does it.
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Oct 9, 2010 03:32
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An enormous spider posted:Who do you think stole the Death Star plans? Kyle Katarn
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Raccoon Leaf posted:Kyle Katarn
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I always figured the Obi-Wan was a clone or the clone template, hence his self-imposed exile. OB-1. The original template that they created a mass of Jedi clones that ravaged the universe.
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Oct 9, 2010 04:13
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I'm more pissed (a relative term) about the yoda spoiler. Really? He just happens to find some way off dagobah, does his bit in the game, then returns? What's the loving point of Luke god drat Skywalker when you have Starkiller and Yoda hoppin about? And again, like it was posted earlier this poo poo is supposed to be movie level canon?
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Oct 9, 2010 05:37
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Kingtheninja posted:And again, like it was posted earlier this poo poo is supposed to be movie level canon?
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Oct 9, 2010 05:57
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I've been suckered in by my roommates girlfriend into reading the Fate of the Jedi Series. Holy poo poo is this a nonsensical series. The Luke and Ben plot is mind-numbingly boring, the political intrigue wears thin real quick and this Abeloth deity stuff is loving stupid. On a positive note though, it's good to see a little more of Bwua'tu, that really badass Bothan Admiral.
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Dalaram posted:On a positive note though, it's good to see a little more of Bwua'tu, that really badass Bothan Admiral. FOTJ can ruin any character. I'm kind of glad Wedge hasn't been in any of them.
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:So, prior to the prequels (or at least AoTC) what did you all believe The Clone Wars were? Or if you never really thought of it because you were too young, what do you think would be better than what we got from the prequels? I figured that they were some sort of regional wars that affected Tatooine and neighboring systems a great deal (so that Luke would know about it) but didn't really affect the rest of the galaxy (so that nobody else ever even mentions it).
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So they're re-releasing Heir to the Empire in hardcover next June for it's 20th anniversary. The Zahn books are the only ones I'd ever consider owning in hardcover. Will giving them money demonstrate that it is the kind of books people actually like, or will they give it to the next Karen Traviss?
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Big Mean Jerk posted:He's loving Daala, and the latest book ends on a cliffhanger with his death at the hands of supposed jedi. He shows up to pilot his x-wing through the kessel mines to prevent the planet from blowing up or whatever in book one. Thankfully, he has not been seen since.
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Oct 9, 2010 15:56
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Kingtheninja posted:I'm more pissed (a relative term) about the yoda spoiler. Really? He just happens to find some way off dagobah, does his bit in the game, then returns? What's the loving point of Luke god drat Skywalker when you have Starkiller and Yoda hoppin about? Actually, to my understanding Yoda only shows up when Starkiller visits Dagobah and goes into the cave that Luke went into.
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I don't remember the OT ever making any connection between the Clone Wars and the fall of the Old Republic/rise of the Empire, so I always assumed they weren't connected. Obi Wan seemed genuinely nostalgic when he talked about serving with Luke's father. That, and the generally upbeat tone of the original trilogy, made me think of the Clone Wars as a short, victorious war that an old soldier would look back on fondly. The best parallel I could think of is the way that many of the generals during the American Civil War had served with each other during the earlier Mexican War and had formed close bonds. I assumed that the enemy had used illegal cloning to fill their ranks, hence the name. But even that fact wouldn't give it some dark, horrifying "war is hell" tone. Obi Wan and Anakin were soldiers, right? It'd just be like "Those rustics are at it again".For me it had more of a British Empire colonial war than Space Vietnam. And then maybe later in their careers they both had had to pick sides as the Emperor came into power. Anakin would have been a little bit closer to middle age, a seasoned warrior who was taken in by the dark side, not a twenty-something complainer. Keep the duel that almost killed Vader, but lose all the drama of Padme's broken heart and all that crap.
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ImpAtom posted:Actually, to my understanding Yoda only shows up when Starkiller visits Dagobah and goes into the cave that Luke went into. There is nothing special about the Star Wars characters now. Nothing.
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Calaveron posted:There is nothing special about the Star Wars characters now. Nothing. Now? Have you, like, not been paying attention to Star Wars for the last few years?
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Somehow, every single time I watched ANH before the prequel trilogy came out, I must have missed Obi-Wan's reference to the clone wars, because until AOTC came out I hadn't even heard of it. 
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Watched AOTC in its entirety (it's been a few years) and I'm gonna have to say I hate it more than TPM. I forgot how loving awful that last battle is, especially the stuff leading up to it with the factory and the creature fight. I watch the OT maybe once every month or two, but the PT I rarely ever re-watch so I forget just how bad they are. Also why the gently caress did Kit Fisto force push C3PO and then smile at the camera? For some reason that really bothered me.
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Kenshirou posted:I watch the OT maybe once every month or two Are you serious? You actually watch the same movies 12 or so times a year?
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Kenshirou posted:the gently caress did Kit Fisto don't go talkin bout mah fisto!
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Well Manicured Man posted:Somehow, every single time I watched ANH before the prequel trilogy came out, I must have missed Obi-Wan's reference to the clone wars, because until AOTC came out I hadn't even heard of it. It's Leia that references it  Kenshirou posted:Watched AOTC in its entirety (it's been a few years) and I'm gonna have to say I hate it more than TPM. I forgot how loving awful that last battle is, especially the stuff leading up to it with the factory and the creature fight. I watch the OT maybe once every month or two, but the PT I rarely ever re-watch so I forget just how bad they are. Also why the gently caress did Kit Fisto force push C3PO and then smile at the camera? For some reason that really bothered me. It wasn't until years later when I finally re-watched it that the actual battle on Geonosis makes no damned cinematic sense. I mean, you see clones die and droids and poo poo blow up, but there's absolutely no reason to care.
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mojo1701a posted:It wasn't until years later when I finally re-watched it that the actual battle on Geonosis makes no damned cinematic sense. I mean, you see clones die and droids and poo poo blow up, but there's absolutely no reason to care. I thought the noble Mandalores being slaves to the evil baby-eating Jedi was more than enough reason to care.
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Man, don't ever watch AOTC with anyone who is one of those crazy Mandalorian fans who honestly holds that view. It's pretty awful. Or hilarious, if you're in the proper mindset (drunk).
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mojo1701a posted:It's Leia that references it This is incorrect. Luke: "You fought in the Clone Wars?" Obi-Wan: "(laugh) Yes, I was once a Jedi Knight, the same as your father" Kenshirou posted:Watched AOTC in its entirety (it's been a few years) and I'm gonna have to say I hate it more than TPM. I forgot how loving awful that last battle is, especially the stuff leading up to it with the factory and the creature fight. I watch the OT maybe once every month or two, but the PT I rarely ever re-watch so I forget just how bad they are. Also why the gently caress did Kit Fisto force push C3PO and then smile at the camera? For some reason that really bothered me. Sup OT monthly rewatch buddy  One of the most prominent elements of Kit Fisto's personality is his eternally cheery attitude. Motherfucker is constantly smiling. When he dies with the two other Jedi idiots in Palpatine's office, there's a shot of him with a big fatty grin on his face. Yes, he's smiling after death.
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Locutus Of Bored posted:Sup OT monthly rewatch buddy If you haven't already ripped your OT to a drive it will make your monthly viewing infinitely more accessible. Sometimes I'll just be like gently caress it I'm watching ANH and will amaze myself with the best of the OT. Not sure what's wrong with watching the same movie(s) frequently... I mean people listen to their favorite albums a lot. I never paid attention to Kit Fisto because to be honest I've only watched the PT a few times since it came out, and wasn't really big into the Clone Wars stuff until recently. I remember his face in Ep3 when he dies, though. Doesn't his body disappear too? mojo1701a posted:
Exactly. It's literally just a bunch of colors swirling around a giant area with poo poo dying left and right, as well as awful CG like when Padme rides on that chariot thing. Also there's parts that make no sense from a strategic standpoint, like when that one Jedi jumps up to Dooku to fight him. Also he gets dispatched by Jango loving Fett's pistol. I mean really?
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Kenshirou posted:Watched AOTC in its entirety (it's been a few years) and I'm gonna have to say I hate it more than TPM. I forgot how loving awful that last battle is, especially the stuff leading up to it with the factory and the creature fight. I watch the OT maybe once every month or two, but the PT I rarely ever re-watch so I forget just how bad they are. Also why the gently caress did Kit Fisto force push C3PO and then smile at the camera? For some reason that really bothered me.
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deadguy posted:I don't remember the OT ever making any connection between the Clone Wars and the fall of the Old Republic/rise of the Empire, so I always assumed they weren't connected. Obi Wan seemed genuinely nostalgic when he talked about serving with Luke's father. That, and the generally upbeat tone of the original trilogy, made me think of the Clone Wars as a short, victorious war that an old soldier would look back on fondly. I don't think any, or at least any that I remember, EU from before AOTC connected the Clone Wars with the fall of the Republic. I remember the background story that came with the X-Wing game mentioned decades elapsing between the end of Clone Wars and the rise of Palpatine. Traxus IV posted:Man, don't ever watch AOTC with anyone who is one of those crazy Mandalorian fans who honestly holds that view. It's pretty awful. Any good stories to share? I would really love to hear them. The only time I've seen a rabid Mandalorian fan in real life was actually by complete chance, I was going to see a (non-Star Wars) movie and in the parking lot I saw a guy getting out of a car covered in Mandalorian insignia and Traviss language poo poo. Locutus Of Bored posted:This is incorrect. Leia mentions it also in her hologram. "General Kenobi, years ago you served my father in the Clone Wars." Which, of course, we never see happen in the prequels, and actually the prequels now makes this line make absolutely no sense since why would a senator be commanding a general?
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ImpAtom posted:Still video games, but apparently not the same kind of video games. Cut to the chase. What does Wedge do in the book?
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Angry Midwesterner posted:Cut to the chase. What does Wedge do in the book? Apparently he pilots a Y-Wing and blows the gently caress out of some TIE Fighters while being a smartass.
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ImpAtom posted:Apparently he pilots a Y-Wing and blows the gently caress out of some TIE Fighters while being a smartass. Wait, Wedge is in TFU2?
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I hate to say it, but I think theforce.net spergs are onto something just shortening it to FU. Also, the Death Star plans have been stolen so much I like to think it's a knowing wink from the writer to the fans whenever they do it again. But more than likely it's just them not giving a gently caress all the way to the bank. Big Mean Jerk posted:He's loving Daala, and the latest book ends on a cliffhanger with his death at the hands of supposed jedi. Well at least we now have gender equality for humans loving goat/dog things.
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Big Mean Jerk posted:Wait, Wedge is in TFU2? That is what I'm told, yes.
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