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Mookie posted:The real thing is that, factually, most murders/gang prosecutions are relatively simple from a factual standpoint than basically any case that a major law firm handles these days. On the criminal side, have fun if you ever get into major frauds/money laundering prosecution. Yes, factually a lot of the cases seem to be fairly straightforward. Sometimes even the most simple fact pattern can get tricky on appeal, though. I recently had a def who took forever to get to trial, due to the def fleeing, then skipping bond (case was continued for decades), which in turn caused all sorts of discovery/pre-trial motion issues. Had a hefty record and it required a careful piecing together of who said what when and why they did so, in order to respond to various arguments. That fact pattern was pretty terrible, but even so it only took a fortnight or so for one person to complete the case. quote:The truth is that there's no real way to know the case well without looking at the documents and piecing together what happened. Knowing the documents is not optional, and, in fact, is the quickest way to lobby successfully to be allowed to take a deposition or argue a particular motion relying on those materials. I thought they had ttt-lawyers beneath the new-hire associates that served to compile relevant evidence so that the big-earners could just focus on memo writing or something? Aristokles fucked around with this message at 01:16 on Oct 13, 2010 |
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Even once you filter out the utterly irrelevant stuff there's still several boxes' worth of stuff out of that warehouse that will turn out to be relevant.
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crossposting from lf thread on the obama admin coming out against a foreclosure moratorium. the comments section was awash with rage, but this particular crazy person might have struck on a good forecast:a crazy person with some decent points posted:DOZENS OF CALLS FROM ALL PARTS OF THE COUNTRY ARE POURING IN ASKING FOR OUR TITLE AND SECURITIZATION ANALYSES, EXPERT DECLARATIONS, AND CONSULTATION. I’M ALERTING ALL THE TRAINED EXPERTS IN THIS FIELD TO EXPECT A CRUSH FROM HOMEOWNERS AND THEIR COUNSEL TO SUPPORT THE BEST CAUSES OF ACTION AND TALLY UP THE COMPENSATORY DAMAGES.
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My friend who is a DA said this about her most recent case: Aggravated rape of a child charge going to trial. 8 year old girl with defendant's DNA inside her cute little Disney jeans. Also, she had the clap. I wonder if the state can convict???
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gvibes posted:Fifth year "litigation" associate (patent though), never taken a deposition or appeared in court. I tried a jury trial all by myself three months after passing the bar. Small law woot woot.
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ADHDan posted:When the partner has delegated most of the background work, fact-gathering, etc. to the associate (which actually saves the client money), it makes sense for the associate to be present at key depositions. It's quality control. Of course it can be abused, but in many instances it's a pretty efficient division of labor. Um, litigation manager, I can beat the rates of whomever you are using in Ohio, I guarantee it. Please give me lots of work and make me rich. I am a really really good lawyer, I promise.
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CaptainScraps posted:Could be. I'm a rather prolific kvetchy kathy. Yeah, you asked about HLS. Where did you end up going? Solomon Grundy posted:Um, litigation manager, I can beat the rates of whomever you are using in Ohio, I guarantee it. Please give me lots of work and make me rich. I am a really really good lawyer, I promise. No cases in Ohio right now, sorry.
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Mookie posted:Also, appellate work blows unless it is from a case you were directly involved in at the trial court, but it is fun to say to impress other people, particularly law students who don't know better.
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Neon Belly fucked around with this message at 22:48 on Aug 1, 2016 |
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Gadamer posted:Question. Unless she's buying him the alcohol, then she doesn't have anything to worry about. Besides, you have to deal in far worse than alcohol to really get in trouble. Drinking is what lawyers do.
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Gadamer posted:Question. If she's that risk averse, she shouldn't be out drinking. or breathing (Oh my GOD! What if I exhale an infectious microbe that is inhaled by an egg-shell lung plaintiff who then gets a terrible infection and DIES!?!?!) or practicing law (what if I catch IAC? and DIE!?!?!?)
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Gadamer posted:Question. She probably just doesn't like your brother.
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Neon Belly fucked around with this message at 22:48 on Aug 1, 2016 |
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Gadamer posted:Question. I saw more drug (ab)use in law school than I have anywhere before or since. A lawyer that turns down an opportunity to drink is like a calf born with half its skin, 3 malformed legs, and an eye in its forehead. If you can, drown her and put her out of her freak misery
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hypocrite lecteur posted:I saw more drug (ab)use in law school than I have anywhere before or since. A lawyer that turns down an opportunity to drink is like a calf born with half its skin, 3 malformed legs, and an eye in its forehead. If you can, drown her and put her out of her freak misery That was fun. I felt like someone was just reading the appropriate OP sections back at me.
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Green Crayons posted:Endured a mandatory, hour-long lecture today about the dangers of substance abuse and clinical depression in law school and the legal profession. When I got that lecture, it was some sad sack of a man who was denied admittance to the bar because of his drinking. My friends and I all agreed that he was a sad pathetic alchy because any half-decent alchy can still function enough during the day to hide it from the ethics committee.
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hypocrite lecteur posted:A lawyer that turns down an opportunity to drink is like a calf born with half its skin, 3 malformed legs, and an eye in its forehead. I don't drink. Hrm, another strike against law school for me!
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BigHead posted:When I got that lecture, it was some sad sack of a man who was denied admittance to the bar because of his drinking. My friends and I all agreed that he was a sad pathetic alchy because any half-decent alchy can still function enough during the day to hide it from the ethics committee. He sort of rambled, so I wasn't entirely too sure what he was trying to get across. Maybe I misunderstood. He did say he wanted to hurt and destroy the people at his intervention though. That was a bit awkward.
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A high school mock trial friend of mine finished up three years of law school at a T1, but then either was not allowed to graduate or did not pass the character and fitness examination. I've always wondered what happened to him.
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Gadamer posted:Question. I met a couple people like this in law school. I've never understood it; does she really think the almost non-existent risk makes it not worth going out and having a good time with you and your brother? Seriously like 4 things would have to happen: 1.) your bro would have to go apeshit or do some other thing to attract attention 2.) the police would somehow have to be involved and be able to determine he was breaking the law in some fashion 3.) they would have to determine your girlfriend was breaking some law (although not actively supplying him with booze or otherwise directly and obviously aiding him in some fashion) 4.) the c&f committee would have to care about something like that enough to deny her admission or do anything more than request an explanation I think she just doesn't want to go out with you dudes because there's like a .00001% chance of that confluence of circumstances and the fun of a night out boozing far outweighs the risk
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Petey posted:I don't drink. I didn't either, until I went to law school.
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You really can't not drink in law school. So if you don't like drinking you'd better learn to like it (or, better yet, just don't go to law school).
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Wyatt posted:I didn't either, until I went to law school. I don't drink and I'm a 3L. However, I worked for the feds this summer...and I'm dating a doctor. LIVIN THE 10-8 DREAM.
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Also not a drinker. Not before, during, or since.
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HiddenReplaced posted:However, I worked for the feds this summer... If you're talking about the USAO, isn't that kind of similar to career suicide, given that they apparently don't hire through the internship?
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Aristokles posted:If you're talking about the USAO, isn't that kind of similar to career suicide, given that they apparently don't hire through the internship? Not USAO. One of the alphabet soup agencies.
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HiddenReplaced posted:Not USAO. One of the alphabet soup agencies. oh, okay, that sounds good. Dare I ask if the position requires a law degree?
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Petey posted:I don't drink. I knew a lawyer who didn't drink once. The prevailing theory was that he didn't drink because "it would let the gay out." Not that there is anything wrong with that.
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Solomon Grundy posted:I tried a jury trial all by myself three months after passing the bar. Small law woot woot. Right now I'm on two pending civil bench trials, one pending federal jury trial, two pending civil jury trials, have tried two Chancery Court cases (Bench Trials), have two other Chancery Court cases pending, have handled a federal revocation hearing, and have tried three misdemeanor criminal cases (Won 2/Lost 1) in my first year. It's scary as poo poo, I gently caress up a lot, procrastinate due to sheer terror an insecurity, and often envy the people who sit back doing shitwork for years before seeing a courtroom. When I overcome my fear and actually do work and get into court though, I really love it.
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HiddenReplaced posted:Not USAO. One of the alphabet soup agencies. Can you get me a 2L job? I have pretty good grades!
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Petey posted:I don't drink. on the other hand, drinking in a class with tim wu is pretty fun, today we discovered he would pay money to have twitter not exist
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Solomon Grundy posted:I knew a lawyer who didn't drink once. The prevailing theory was that he didn't drink because "it would let the gay out." Not that there is anything wrong with that. (Apparently there was only 1)
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Aristokles posted:If you're talking about the USAO, isn't that kind of similar to career suicide, given that they apparently don't hire through the internship? Is this really true? If someone is dead set on working for the Feds in some way, would it better to work for one of the other agencies rather than doing SLIP?
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Holland Oats posted:Is this really true? If someone is dead set on working for the Feds in some way, would it better to work for one of the other agencies rather than doing SLIP? When I was a 2L, the USAO told me that they don't hire interns, but rather get a few fresh graduates through the honours programme. Being an intern was apparently p meaningless in terms of the honours programme, according to the Indianapolis office and some other one that I forgot the name of (it was some other federal office that required a law degree). I don't know how the honours programme works because I took a different summer job and then I never applied for anything else again, but I think someone here applied to it; apparently the odds are not good. The people I know who work for the federal government in a non-lawyer position post-law school graduation all got it through some sort of fellowship thing. One of them is doing something involving social security and I forget what the other person got; apparently it's a big fair where you walk around from table to table and chat with all the different offices or something, and a sizeable portion of the people nominated for the fellowship will get a position (your school nominates you, I think). Aristokles fucked around with this message at 03:45 on Oct 14, 2010 |
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evilweasel posted:on the other hand, drinking in a class with tim wu is pretty fun, today we discovered he would pay money to have twitter not exist Yeah, wouldn't we all. I remember when Tim Wu came to speak at UMass. Four people, including me, came to see him; only I had heard of net neutrality. I then walked with him across campus where he was going to do my thesis advisor a favor and lecture the class I TA'd on cyberlaw. He paced back in forth talking about Schumpeter in his suit and tie and all of the goddamned morons in the class just stared agape at him. I love Wu; wish I could take a class with him.
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Apparently he taught crimlaw this year and everyone hated it. They said he was basically self-impressed, didn't know what he was talking about, and constantly leered at the girls in the class. Which is cool, but he's married, so...
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billion dollar bitch posted:Apparently he taught crimlaw this year and everyone hated it. They said he was basically self-impressed, didn't know what he was talking about, and constantly leered at the girls in the class. Which is cool, but he's married, so... I mean he's not a crimlaw teacher so I'm not suprised he didn't know what he was talking about, but he's basically my favorite professor and his classes are usually entertaining as all hell.
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I've never taken a class with him. I probably should, to get the full CLS experience. Hopefully this class would be something he knows about, or that isn't graded.
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billion dollar bitch posted:They said he was basically self-impressed, not saying it's good but most law professors I've met fit this pretty neatly.
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My friend was RA'ing for him this summer. This was their conversation to introduce her to the job and apparently to him. Wu: And so after law school I clerked and then blah blah blah. Friend: mmhmmm Wu: Blah blah blah Friend: Interesting. Wu: You do know that when I say clerked, I was using it as a euphemism for "clerked for the Supreme Court. The United States Supreme Court. Friend: ... Yeah I knew you clerked for Breyer. Wu: Because sometimes people don't know what that means. Friend: No, I knew. Wu: Okay, just making sure.
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