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llibja posted:Not sure why I keep doing this to myself, but I am arguing with idiots yet again on Facebook: Click for full 1500x995 image "A person who identifies him/herself as colored can be treated equally to whites. They are just as free to marry a person of their own color as anyone. They are asking for the law and the society to change what every society has recognized as the stabilizing institution of marriage, between members of the same race, to fit their perversion." - Grandpa Kirk sweart gliwere fucked around with this message at 03:16 on Oct 18, 2010 |
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llibja posted:Speechless. Your buddy Jay's responses alone are a summation of why humanity is destined to fail.
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Luckily I don't know everyone responding to that thread, just the dude who posted the article.
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llibja posted:Not sure why I keep doing this to myself, but I am arguing with idiots yet again on Facebook: Regardless of how many John Hagee-type preachers and Focus on the Family like to say the nuclear family is the main support for this country, the idea of a nuclear family didn't really even exist until a few centuries ago. More to the point, I'm pretty sure it's the respect for laws and general protection of private property that keeps most governments stable. If gay marriage was legalized throughout the United States right now, do they honestly think the whole drat country would collapse? Yes.
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tek79 posted:Your buddy Jay's responses alone are a summation of why humanity is destined to fail. Yeah, his grasp of evolution is pretty weak too. It doesn't require a benefit to the species and it definitely doesn't require a benefit to the individual; it merely matters that the mutation improves its own chances of reproducing. Evolution is easier to understand when you look at simplistic, individual-level interactions so you get examples like "this individual has a longer neck and can eat higher leaves, so it will prosper and have many longer-necked babies," but that isn't significant because it was "good" for the giraffe, it is significant because the gene improved its chances at reproducing (in this case it happened to do it by improving things for the giraffe). When you get to larger levels like families and close communities (tribes) you end up with much more complex interactions. A mutation that says "you should work extra hard and take extra risks to feed this other person when they're sick" makes no sense from the individual's standpoint, but if there's a decent chance that other person also carries that mutation then the mutation is in fact improving its own chances at survival and reproduction. How's that fit in here? My opinion: Assuming the "gay gene" (it's undoubtedly actually some complex interaction between a bunch of genes) exists, it obviously doesn't manifest in everyone - gay people have straight kids and vice versa. There may be various things that trigger it (hormones in the womb or whatever). Having a "gay uncle" or two in the family (or tribe) who doesn't have his own children to support might become a beneficial extra resource to support the group - a group that will carry and reproduce that "gay gene." There's no telling if that is how or why homosexuality came about, but in any case what it comes down to is something isn't automatically evolutionarily "bad" simply because it doesn't directly result in reproduction. Though like llibja said, why's it matter anyway?
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Choadmaster posted:Yeah, his grasp of evolution is pretty weak too. It doesn't require a benefit to the species and it definitely doesn't require a benefit to the individual; it merely matters that the mutation improves its own chances of reproducing. I thought everybody knew Darwin's theory stated that while evolution are simply (in layman's terms) genetic mutations, only the animals of the species that have advantageous mutations survive in the long run. You know, the fittest.
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Choadmaster posted:Yeah, his grasp of evolution is pretty weak too. It doesn't require a benefit to the species and it definitely doesn't require a benefit to the individual; it merely matters that the mutation improves its own chances of reproducing. The important point is that it doesn't matter, since we do not judge people based on the odds of their genes being able to reproduce, nor do we have the duty to enforce natural selection.
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Cjones posted:I thought everybody knew Darwin's theory stated that while evolution are simply (in layman's terms) genetic mutations, only the animals of the species that have advantageous mutations survive in the long run. You know, the fittest. When you say "Survival of the fittest" most people think "Bunch of crazy anarchy animals killing each other like 24/7". At least in the US. Evolution isn't readily understood or accepted, hence why you can have people with domesticated animals railing against the UNTRUE EVILS of evolution.
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Beowulfs_Ghost posted:Also, doctors have their own system for choosing who is next in line. If I go into the ER with a broken toe, I could sit there all day if a stream of "chest pain" suffers and car accident victims keep jumping in in front of me. Not to long ago, my wife got her dentist appointment canceled, while she was there, because some one came in with a problem bigger then her filling. A month before that, I had to wait an extra half hour for my appointment at the same dentist because some guy without insurance needed an x-ray. He had no insurance and no cash, and sitting their I could only think to myself that I was pretty much paying for his free $100 x-ray through what they charge my insurance. Yes, this system is called "triage." It's just the way things work. I'm sorry if the motor vehicle accident victim ends up bumping your daughter and her ear infection. I'm sure it's really ouchie, but the guy in room 5 is bleeding all over his bed and really making a mess. It's not because the guy with chest pain has better insurance, it's just that he stands a better chance of dying in the next few hours than you do.
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Cjones posted:I thought everybody knew Darwin's theory stated that while evolution are simply (in layman's terms) genetic mutations, only the animals of the species that have advantageous mutations survive in the long run. You know, the fittest. I like this approach. Ask your FB associates why, if it's a disadvantageous mutation, does it seem that there are more and more homosexual people around every day. According to him, the only way this could be the case is if they (gays) all turned out to be fitter and better equipped to reproduce than he and his straight buddies.
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Friend of mine on Facebook posted something about getting student loans. Something like, "Look what happened now that the government has taken over the student loans! I have to pay $80 to get my FAFSA. Wah wah wah government can't do anything right!" Now, my wife just submitted a FAFSA application earlier this year, so I knew she was full of poo poo. She was going to FAFSA.com, which is a scam site that charges $80 to submit your FAFSA app. It's "legit" in the sense that it "assists" you in filling out the forms, like paying TurboTax (except filing for the FAFSA is a lot easier than filing taxes). It doesn't let you know you can do it for free on the government site however. I gave her the correct URL and someone else was like "The first F in FAFSA stands for FREE. You didn't pay $80 right?" She thanked me for correcting her, which is a change of pace for her. She usually ignores me when I reply to her love for Glenn Beck or hate for government or taxes. Sulphuric Sundae fucked around with this message at 21:59 on Oct 19, 2010 |
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Grandpa never disappoints. Shame the bold, billion-point font doesn't come through.quote:H. R. 4646
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We Americans have some of the lowest tax rates in the world, but drat me if we don't bitch about them more than anyone.
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Never mind the fact that HR 4646 would end the federal income tax and is only backed by a single congressman. It's Obama I tell you!
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Blarghalt posted:We Americans have some of the lowest tax rates in the world, but drat me if we don't bitch about them more than anyone. I covered a town council meeting tonight and they were crowing over how the town EMS is gonna charge "people who ride in the back of the ambulance" more and tax everyone else less. I'm still paying off an ambulance bill from three years ago.
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Ruckby posted:Never mind the fact that HR 4646 would end the federal income tax and is only backed by a single congressman. It's Obama I tell you! Ahahaha, really?
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crime fighting hog posted:Ahahaha, really? It would also completely offset the impact on people making less than 250,000 with a tax credit.
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Brennanite posted:Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the whole point of that 1% sent to Washington saving the banks from themselves? I'm pretty sure they started that after the Great Depression because banks never actually kept enough money in their vaults to survive a run on the bank. So the Fed keeps a small amount from every bank, and can help the banks in trouble, and the vaults keep the bank alive until the Fed can step in. Right?
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llibja posted:Not sure why I keep doing this to myself, but I am arguing with idiots yet again on Facebook: Death to America. Jesus I hate these people.
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Habibi posted:I like this approach. Ask your FB associates why, if it's a disadvantageous mutation, does it seem that there are more and more homosexual people around every day. According to him, the only way this could be the case is if they (gays) all turned out to be fitter and better equipped to reproduce than he and his straight buddies. They'll just say, "There are more gay people out there because the RADICAL GAY AGENDA is working and more people feel like living the homosexual lifestyle. When they say 'being gay is in your genes,' they're either lying or kidding themselves, because both evolution and the genetic explanation for homosexuality are OBVIOUSLY FALSE. OBVIOUSLY."
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Ruckby posted:Never mind the fact that HR 4646 would end the federal income tax and is only backed by a single congressman. It's Obama I tell you! I got the same email yesterday. People are so dumb that they never check any of those "liberals are bad" emails, and forward them without their brain engaging at all. I never seem to run across any "republicans are bad, here are a bunch of lies about them" emails. Are these forwards strictly a republican ploy?
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Thenipwax posted:I never seem to run across any "republicans are bad, here are a bunch of lies about them" emails. Are these forwards strictly a republican ploy?
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Thenipwax posted:I never seem to run across any "republicans are bad, here are a bunch of lies about them" emails. Are these forwards strictly a republican ploy? The closest you ever really get to that is emails denouncing government completely.
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crime fighting hog posted:The closest you ever really get to that is emails denouncing government completely. Or some mealy-mouthed complaining that "both parties are at fault" or "I'm not biased, I don't trust Republicans either."
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ThePeteEffect posted:Or some mealy-mouthed complaining that "both parties are at fault" or "I'm not biased, I don't trust Republicans either." And invariably, these end with "we need a change, so let's vote for only a certain type of Republican!"
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Thenipwax posted:I never seem to run across any "republicans are bad, here are a bunch of lies about them" emails. Are these forwards strictly a republican ploy? This is one of those questions I think we all know the answer to, but have to bite our tongue a bit in answering, lest we sound like completely condescending pricks. To put it plainly, llibja's Facebook conversation a few posts up are the people we're dealing with here. Not saying all Democrats or liberals aren't prone to believing crazy poo poo, but generally those who do are quickly called out or kept at a distance, whereas a willingness to believe bullshit and a lack of effort in researching things tends to be the norm among Conservatives. I've got tons of liberal friends, and have never once received some bullshit Fwd: from them. I only have a few Conservative friends, I do get and have called them out on these emails. I also think age has a lot to do with it. tek79 fucked around with this message at 17:32 on Oct 20, 2010 |
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Cjones posted:My parents want to retire somewhere in Brazil (or South America) or Scotland. My mom is still a little iffy because, as she told me "Three words: National Health System" You better warn you mother that Brazil´s next president very likely will be a MARXIST TERRORIST: http://www.savethemales.ca/bulgarian_marxist_terrorist_ti.html Just saw this gem posted on twitter by stupid brazilian right-wing crazies. The site is full of equally shocking revelations like "Freud was a Sabbatean who sold his perverted satanist beliefs to the world".
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Elias_Maluco posted:You better warn you mother that Brazil´s next president very likely will be a MARXIST TERRORIST: What is it about insanity and not being able to format a basic website, or even email, in a coherent manner?
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Just had a nice Facebook argument with one of my mom's coworkers over Separation of Church and State. You can guess where that topic arose. Her argument stems from what I discovered was a quote from a site that called Coons a "hardcore Marxist" and used Rush Limbaugh as a source.quote:Chief Justice Rehnquist: In a dissent on a 1985 ruling against school prayer, “There is simply no historical foundation for the proposition that the framers intended to build the ‘wall of separation’ that was constitutionalized in Everson….” He termed Jefferson’s “wall”, “a metaphor based on bad history, a metaphor which has proved useless as a guide to judging.” There you have it. Rehnquist said it, Jefferson didn't really mean that in that letter where he clarified what he meant. In a dissent.
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Choadmaster posted:How's that fit in here? My opinion: Assuming the "gay gene" (it's undoubtedly actually some complex interaction between a bunch of genes) exists, it obviously doesn't manifest in everyone - gay people have straight kids and vice versa. There may be various things that trigger it (hormones in the womb or whatever). Having a "gay uncle" or two in the family (or tribe) who doesn't have his own children to support might become a beneficial extra resource to support the group - a group that will carry and reproduce that "gay gene." Actually, scientists have found a gene that most gay men have. The reason it has continued to be passed down through the generations is because the female close relatives (sisters, daughters, etc.) tend to have more children than average females due to hormonal differences caused by the genes. If Jay or Pamela knew jack poo poo about what they were talking about, they might have known this. You should find that study and cite it for them on FB. Play fucked around with this message at 19:00 on Oct 20, 2010 |
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Play posted:Actually, scientists have found a gene that most gay men have. The reason it has continued to be passed down through the generations is because the female close relatives (sisters, daughters, etc.) tend to have more children than average females due to hormonal differences caused by the genes. If Jay or Pamela knew jack poo poo about what they were talking about, they might have known this. You should find that study and cite it for them on FB. Theres also data that shows a correlation between pre-natal hormones and homosexuality, finding that mothers who have a certain condition marked with high amounts of pre-natal estrogen are far more likely to have homosexual sons. Basically, there is an overwhelming amount of scientific evidence that homosexuality is not a choice and anyone who believes it is, is retarded.
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This wiki article talks about and sites most of those studies. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biology_and_sexual_orientation
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quote:Basically, there is an overwhelming amount of scientific evidence that homosexuality is not a choice and anyone who believes it is, is retarded. Yeah that's basically what I was going for. One of the saddest constants in these disgusting viral emails is how pathetically immature and selfish they are. They unashamedly appeal to the lowest instincts of humanity, namely selfishness, pride, revenge, and hate.
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Oh boy, one of those "I can't believe that ______ said ______!" messages arrived in my inbox yesterday. I received this one from my mother, who is an Atheist and hasn't been interested in politics for at least 10 years. I am very confused about it.quote:
It's not particularly offensive but I have no clue how to react to it and no idea why she sent this to people. I'm going to try and pretend that I didn't see it and hope that my mom doesn't bring it up.
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Maybe she forwarded it without reading the contents while she was "first getting familiar with the internet."
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quote:I am a Jew, and every single one of my ancestors was Jewish. And it does not bother me even a little bit when people call those beautiful lit up, bejeweled trees, Christmas trees... I don't feel threatened.. I don't feel discriminated against.. That's what they are, Christmas trees. quote:I am a Christian, and every single one of my ancestors was Christian. It doesn't bother me a bit when people say, 'Happy Holidays' to me. I don't think they are slighting me. In fact, I kind of like it. It shows that we are all brothers and sisters celebrating this happy time of year. It doesn't bother me at all that there is no manger scene on display at a key intersection near my beach house in Malibu.. quote:Or maybe I can put it another way: where did the idea come from that we should worship celebrities and we aren't allowed to worship God as we understand Him? I have never been to the Church of Gaga, but I've also seen plenty of churches and temples (although Mosques are only allowed outside a few thousand mile radius of ground zero). There is one Muslim member of Congress. The majority of politicians in this country are Christians and in most places it is political suicide to run as anything but a Christian. You are not an oppressed minority. There is no one saying you aren't allowed to worship God as you understand Him. You're just not allowed to coerce or influence children to do the same when they are required by law to be there. quote:In light of the many jokes we send to one another for a laugh, this is a little different: This is not intended to be a joke; it's not funny, it's intended to get you thinking. quote:Billy Graham's daughter was interviewed on the Early Show and Jane Clayson asked her 'How could God let something like this happen?' (regarding Hurricane Katrina).. Anne Graham gave an extremely profound and insightful response.. She said, 'I believe God is deeply saddened by this, just as we are, but for years we've been telling God to get out of our schools, to get out of our government and to get out of our lives. And being the gentleman He is, I believe He has calmly backed out. How can we expect God to give us His blessing and His protection if we demand He leave us alone?' Yes. This is exactly right. There have never been any disasters on devout Christian nations. quote:In light of recent events... terrorists attack, school shootings, etc.. I think it started when Madeleine Murray O'Hare (she was murdered, her body found a few years ago) complained she didn't want prayer in our schools, and we said OK. Then someone said you better not read the Bible in school. The Bible says thou shalt not kill; thou shalt not steal, and love your neighbor as yourself. And we said OK. Children have no consciences because they have parents like you who don't hesitate to make light of catastrophic natural disaster, murder, and suicide in order to promote a political-religious agenda. I hope your bracelet doesn't say WWJD, because that's not what he'd do. quote:Funny how we believe what the newspapers say, but question what the Bible says. That's because newspapers generally only print stories based on fact. Unless it's part of the News Corp family. quote:Funny how you can send 'jokes' through e-mail and they spread like wildfire, but when you start sending messages regarding the Lord, people think twice about sharing. That's because jokes are fun and enjoyable but most of us were taught that it is impolite and offensive to talk about religion, sex, and politics. quote:Funny how lewd, crude, vulgar and obscene articles pass freely through cyberspace, but public discussion of God is suppressed in the school and workplace. Cyberspace is free and based on private access. School is a public institution in which children are required to attend. Believe me, you'd get arrested much more quickly for posting lewd, crude, vulgar, and obscene articles in a middle school than you would for praying. Just ask Carl Paladino. And most of us wish that talking about God was suppressed in the workplace but sadly many of us work for ignoramuses like you. JerkyBunion fucked around with this message at 01:37 on Oct 21, 2010 |
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Why is it that email forwards are always "I'm different than you [but still white], but I totally support you and you're right 100% and you should continue to force your xenophobic beliefs on the country because as the non-elected representative of [minority demographic] I totally agree (and because I sent this to you you can now point to this and say [minority demographic] are behind you)!"
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Factum est posted:Why is it that email forwards are always "I'm different than you [but still white], but I totally support you and you're right 100% and you should continue to force your xenophobic beliefs on the country because as the non-elected representative of [minority demographic] I totally agree (and because I sent this to you you can now point to this and say [minority demographic] are behind you)!" You know, I was just wondering about that. Does some Uncle Tom literally sit down and decide "I'm going to write a chain letter explaining how I'm a Muslim, and I support Muslims being tagged with computer chips so that white people can be safe from terrorists." or does someone at a conservative think-tank (they're white) literally sit down and type out a stream-of-consciousness lie? I mean, we've all seen heaps and heaps of bullshit, trolls, and liars. But I have to think that for the person who actually does it, it's got to be like being the guy who hits the cow with the sledgehammer. [fake edit: I know that's not how they do it anymore.] It's got to crush your soul to be the one to do that, doesn't it?
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XyloJW posted:You know, I was just wondering about that. Does some Uncle Tom literally sit down and decide "I'm going to write a chain letter explaining how I'm a Muslim, and I support Muslims being tagged with computer chips so that white people can be safe from terrorists." or does someone at a conservative think-tank (they're white) literally sit down and type out a stream-of-consciousness lie? I wonder about this too. Who is it that falsely, knowingly tacks Bill Cosby's, or George Carlin's, or Kurt Vonnegut's names onto some of these "wisdom for the masses" emails? What are they thinking? "Yeah! This oughta be good for 10,000 more GOP votes in November!"
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Because it legitimizes bigotry. It's alright for me to think Black kids are lazy and disrespectful because Bill Cosby does too, and he's a Black guy!
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