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Allia posted:I've just always been told that people don't wear that stuff anymore. Though if they do...cool. Well, either that or it's so uncommon or regional restricted that in my 28 years in Bayern I've never seen (at leat I'm pretty sure I didn't) anybody wear Tracht without a reason (other than not walking around nude), the only "exception" being the hosts in Lederhosen on chalets in the mountains. I've never seen someone get married in them either - and I live in a rather rural area near the alps (but do get around quite a bit also). System Metternich posted:[...]they've got nothing to do with the traditional dresses which look more like this: But of course you are right that even the modern 'traditional' Tracht rarely features such distinct cleavages, but they often are quite colorfull and ornated.
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They may be no longer casual attire (It was really fascinating and also strange when my 44 years old father told me that in his childhood almost every boy wore Lederhosen, because they're just that practical which is of course pretty important when you're living in 1960s rural Bavaria), but my point was that they're still worn for more special events like going to church, and by young people, too. And yeah, there is no common Tracht, I forgot to mention that. The festive Tracht in my area (which would be Friedberg) looks/ed like this:  Where are you from, if I may ask? I hear that the alpine areas have pretty fancy Trachten, too  PS: Does anyone have an explanation for why there is a metric fuckton of Landhausmode shops in Vienna, yet I've never ever seen anyone wearing Tracht around here and even Landhausmode seems to be pretty rare? 
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Oct 14, 2010 23:57
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System Metternich posted:PS: Does anyone have an explanation for why there is a metric fuckton of Landhausmode shops in Vienna, yet I've never ever seen anyone wearing Tracht around here and even Landhausmode seems to be pretty rare?
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Oct 15, 2010 10:12
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System Metternich posted:[...]but my point was that they're still worn for more special events like going to church, and by young people, too. However, the modern Tracht seems to experience a revival among the youth in the last few years. You could always see them being worn in church, at weddings (again, never seen it myself on bride or groom, might also be more common to the register office than church) and to festivals, but its more and more the young people who like to dress up in them these days, but I doubt this will spill over into everyday life. quote:Where are you from, if I may ask? I hear that the alpine areas have pretty fancy Trachten, too Some traditional Allgäuer Festtrachten:  Modern 'casual' Trachten:    Well, they do look 'fesch'. I imagine the Chiemgau to be a rather traditional region, so I could ask some acquaintances from the there about their experiences, since I've never spent much time there myself.
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Oct 15, 2010 12:11
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westborn posted:Yes, those are the 'reasons' I mentioned. It seems like this point didn't come across too well, so I wanted to clear up that it's no casual clothing you'd encounter just anywhere on the streets. Nice to see an Allgäu-Goon here. I'm from the Ostallgäu, pretty close to Upper Bavaria and ~20km to the Austrian border/Alps. And yes the Trachten around here look like those pictures. Here are some pictures of our local "Trachtenverein":      I have no idea what they're doing there:  You won't see anyone of them running around in these clothes in daily life. This stuff is worn on special occasions.
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Oct 15, 2010 13:45
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So what's there to do (nightlife) in Graz, Austria? I heard there's a bar on a manmade island in the middle of the river, are there any other places worth going to? Wiki says there's 6 universities in Graz, so there's gotta be somethin' good.
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bronin posted:Nice to see an Allgäu-Goon here. I'm from the Ostallgäu, pretty close to Upper Bavaria and ~20km to the Austrian border/Alps. And yes the Trachten around here look like those pictures. Here are some pictures of our local "Trachtenverein": I fully respect all that Trachten stuff (at least officially), but it's a faux pas and makes you look buffoonish to just associate any German with it. Maybe I'm bitter because these people define the stereotype for the whole country and I've met maybe two Americans who had traveled to places outside of Bavaria.
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flavor posted:I just wanted to bring some attention to the fact that it's not always appropriate to ask people born in Berlin (like me) about these kinds of activities. They are kinda derided and frowned upon in the more northern parts of the country. Asking people from the North about them is like asking New Yorkers whether they wear ten gallon hats, ride horses and visit rodeos every weekend. Hahaha yeah. People associating Lederhosen with Germany as a whole is hilarious 
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Oct 16, 2010 10:57
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bronin posted:Hahaha yeah. People associating Lederhosen with Germany as a whole is hilarious Well, from the 30s to ~60s it was pretty common for boys all over Germany to wear shorts made from leather. I guess dudes from Bavaria just refuse to grow up.
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elbkaida posted:Well, from the 30s to ~60s it was pretty common for boys all over Germany to wear shorts made from leather. I guess dudes from Bavaria just refuse to grow up. Never change a running system
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So, I decided to watch "Herbstfestival des Volksmusik" on ARD 1 last night. I understand German well enough to get by, and the show and music is fun to laugh at. First of all: All acts are playback. Painfully so. They walk around on a set of giant mushrooms and gaze, singing their hearts out. Even when they do have instruments on stage, they're not plugged in. The chords they take on the guitars have no resemblance to the music playing. Second, the show between the acts. It's like a variete, or vaudeville, or whatever it's called. Light entertainment with popular German singers and TV hosts. They had a host in from a news program. Apparently he started to wear glasses a couple of months ago on the show, but after a bunch of complaints he was forced to go back to wearing contact lenses  They had him try three different pairs of glasses and gave telephone numbers for people to vote on them! They chose the second pair. Also, some American dude who could break tiles and Roger Whittaker. The guy bet he could break a row of 50 tiles faster than Roger Whittaker could drink a glass of water. The guy won.And on and and on for three and a half hours. It was mind numbing. Is this what all Germans listen to, or just the old ones? We have "Volksmusik" in Denmark too, but they at least have the decency to keep it to one channel (on the radio) and occasionally an hour a week in the summer time. God drat. I have to find better things to do on Saturday nights 
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Oct 17, 2010 17:22
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brylcreem posted:Is this what all Germans listen to, or just the old ones? Take a guess who is sitting in front of the tv on a saturday night. There is your answer.
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Oct 17, 2010 17:28
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brylcreem posted:So, I decided to watch "Herbstfestival des Volksmusik" on ARD 1 last night. I understand German well enough to get by, and the show and music is fun to laugh at. You... watched that for.... three and a half hours?  You deserve an award of some kind...
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Oct 18, 2010 10:49
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bronin posted:You... watched that for.... three and a half hours?  Reich-Ranicki doesn't want his, anyway.
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Oct 18, 2010 11:01
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Plus at least this way it's good for something.
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Oct 18, 2010 11:08
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Default Settings posted:
Thanks guys! I'd like to thank the academy, and God, for always believing in me.
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Oct 18, 2010 11:44
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So what the heck is going in Germany at the moment? While a police man talks about illegal provocations techniques used by riot police and several groups protest the way things in Stuttgart are handled, the government decides to tighten the laws regarding civil disorder and receives the first batch of 78 state-of-the-art water cannons. Either I happened to read only anarchic news sites without noticing it or I completely missed something about the situation, but is Germany preparing for a large-scale civil uprising? (Sorry, all links are in German)
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Oct 19, 2010 15:59
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Heise, Tagesschau and Tagesspiegel are not really anarchic news sites. Haha. People are aware of it. It gets pretty widely reported. gently caress the Union. And it's nothing special. The Union always want to give the police more power. They want to use our military on German ground outside of state of defense, too. Like to fight against criminals. This is unconstitutional in Germany.
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Oct 19, 2010 16:08
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It's pretty much just your basic conservative government trying to make sure the country it's running isn't falling behind on general shittiness. Wish we didn't have to deal with these clowns for (probably) three more years.
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Oct 19, 2010 16:24
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If Kohl is anything to measure by we'll have another 8 years after this. Or whenever Wowereit mans the gently caress up and runs for chancellor but with the lovely state the SPD and the other opposition parties are in that's not likely any time soon. And Merkel, having learned from Kohl, is probably very, very capable of sitting things out.
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Oct 19, 2010 19:06
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Nah, Kohl just lucked out with the reunification. Having Wowereit as a chancellor sounds about as bad as 8 more years of Merkel though, I kinf of like him but he has no discernible talent besides looking pretty. At least you can't say that about Merkel.
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I was going to make some comment about being glad how I'm not German and won't be around here much longer. Then I flashed back to how much it sucked being an American Democrat who wasn't old enough to vote in 2000 and never received voting materials in 2004 in Germany. Regardless, everyone seemed to think American = Bush supporter. I shocked my entire Religion class when I made some disparaging comment about Bush and they were all like "...but he's your president." *bangs head* Politics, sigh. Here's hoping for an SPD win next round of elections. Though it's not the best sign when the best thing you can say about a candidate is "pretty." To be honest, though, I've always been kind of surprised how Germans treat their police. I mean, I grew up being taught never to outright defy the police/be extremely polite to their faces, but also be very, very wary. But here, people seem to treat them quite rudely. My step-father once yelled at a policeman, asking him if he could read, because the policeman "dared" to address him as "Herr" and not "Doktor." All because my step-father was going slightly over the speed limit. And I was just aghast at the way he reacted. I mean, sure, my step-dad is an rear end, no question about it. But in general the police do not seem to have a good reputation, and people act that way to their faces.
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Allia posted:I was going to make some comment about being glad how I'm not German and won't be around here much longer. Then I flashed back to how much it sucked being an American Democrat who wasn't old enough to vote in 2000 and never received voting materials in 2004 in Germany. Regardless, everyone seemed to think American = Bush supporter. I shocked my entire Religion class when I made some disparaging comment about Bush and they were all like "...but he's your president." *bangs head* Dude, just be glad everyone automatically thinks we have redeemed ourselves with Obama. (Personally, I like the guy, but thats another post.) I have gotten fairly interested in German political structure since half way through my condensed German course. (We have to do news reports in front of the class two or three times a week, and most of the articles I chose were from the political column for the harder vocabulary.) I guess my questions is, how are the different parties in Germany viewed by the political middle? Most of my articles come out of the Süddeutche Zeitung. Though from above, Merkel appears to be the German version of Bush, but obviously, the CSU would not have so much power if people did not, at least, vote for them, even if only 30%. It is just interesting to see various fringe groups actually have impacts due to majority coalitions.
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How is Merkel the German version of Bush? Ok, I'll try to give the general opinion of the German moderates on the different political parties: SPD - not as competent as Union in economic questions, for worker rights, want to rise welfare spending on the expense of the rich CDU - the economically more competent of the big parties, pro business/employers, pro Christian values, they want to restrict welfare spending Those two descriptions sound pretty different, but many people view them as being the same. And this is pretty accurate, since both parties are very moderate and try to cater to all parts of the population. CSU - basically the same as the CDU, but arrogant and full of self-entitlement, more radically Christian Greens - loving hippies, that want to turn Germany into a nation of immigrants, but they're right with their environmental goals, economic competence equals zero FDP - vote for them if you're an rich rear end in a top hat, also if you're a poor moron, you can basically buy them Linke - bunch of dissatisfied SPD members and former members of the Socialist Unity Party of Germany of the GDR, so vote for them if you want the GDR back or want money without having to work Some smaller parties: NPD - nazis (Nationaldemocratic Party of Germany) DVU - nazis (German People's Union) Republikaner - nazis (Heh, they have the same name as the Republicans.) Bayernpartei - separatists (Bavarians' Party) Piratenpartei - nerds (Pirate Party) DIE PARTEI - they want power and money, parody party that you could actually vote for in some elections (The Party) APPD - insane, but you could also vote for them in several big elections (Anarchistic Pogo Party of Germany) I can write about a few more bizarre small parties if someone wants to hear about them. Hungry Gerbil fucked around with this message at 10:32 on Oct 20, 2010 |
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Isn't the CSU just the southern version of the CDU? They don't actually compete with each other on the ballots, do they?
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If you ask members of the CDU, they would say yes. But if you would ask members of the CSU, they would strongly disagree. They do not compete with each other, but they still don't always have the same opinions and goals. The CDU practically has to deal with a permanent coalition partner they can't get rid of in this regard.
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Allia posted:I was going to make some comment about being glad how I'm not German and won't be around here much longer. Then I flashed back to how much it sucked being an American Democrat who wasn't old enough to vote in 2000 and never received voting materials in 2004 in Germany. Regardless, everyone seemed to think American = Bush supporter. I shocked my entire Religion class when I made some disparaging comment about Bush and they were all like "...but he's your president." *bangs head* Yeah, I remember I was talking to this German girl last summer in Berlin and somehow the subject came around to religion and she was extremely nonchalant about saying she didn't believe in anything. I said I was an atheist as well and her response was pretty much shock and she said something like, "But isn't it quite hard to be an atheist in America?" Edit: I forgot to say that after she said she wasn't religious, she immediately said something along the lines of "sorry if that makes you feel uncomfortable." Ziir fucked around with this message at 13:10 on Oct 20, 2010 |
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America is an evil theocratic empire raping babies in the eyes of the average German.
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Hungry Gerbil posted:How is Merkel the German version of Bush? I meant insofar as she appears to have such a crappy approval rating. That's about it. Correct me if I am wrong, but don't you, pretty much, know who the Chancellor each party will select is, before the election is even held? Hungry Gerbil posted:America is an evil theocratic empire raping babies in the eyes of the average German. Mindestens haben wir keine Kirchensteuer. 
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AlternateNu posted:Mindestens haben wir keine Kirchensteuer. You mean "wenigstens"  Also, you can get out of the church whenever you like and not pay Kirchensteuer.
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Man tritt halt einfach aus (oder erst gar nicht ein) oder als Expat gibt man bei Registrierung an "ohne" und schwups bezahlt man auch keine Kirchensteuer.
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AlternateNu posted:I meant insofar as she appears to have such a crappy approval rating. That's about it. Correct me if I am wrong, but don't you, pretty much, know who the Chancellor each party will select is, before the election is even held? Ah, ok. And she has earned it. And the thing with the chancellor is true, too.
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Ack, Kirchensteuer. As the step-daughter of a pastor, you do not want to hear the amount of rants I heard about Kirchensteuer and people getting out of it and not going to church and the attendance in the services (seriously, you'd have ca 3000 people in the congregation, but maybe 30 there each Sunday. Except Christmas, when the four story church from 900 AD was packed full). I dunno, I like the fact that religion is offered in schools (it was one of my favorite subjects, actually), but I'm so used to the separation between church and state, it still feels weird in a way.
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FLX posted:You mean "wenigstens" Mensch...nach 9 Monate vom Lernen und ich mache noch Fehler genau wie das. Ich werde mich so wie ein Idiot anhören wenn ich nächster Monat nach Rostock umziehe. Gibts irgendjemand im Ort?
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AlternateNu posted:Mensch...nach 9 Monate vom Lernen und ich mache noch Fehler genau wie das. Ich werde mich so wie ein Idiot anhören wenn ich nächster Monat nach Rostock umziehe. Gibts irgendjemand im Ort? Anyway, you're not terrible. After 9 months my English perfect was not.
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1) You're not bad, so don't worry. 2) It's writing when stuff like that is noticeable. My 12th grade LK Deutsch teacher told me once that minor mistakes don't matter and rarely receive attention when used orally, as long as you're confident. It's when it's on a page in front of you that it's easier to pick out mistakes. Why are you moving?
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Allia posted:1) You're not bad, so don't worry. Ich bin KaLeu in der Marine und durch ein Austauschprogramm arbeite ich zwei Jahre bei der deutsche Marine in Warnemünde. Es sollte lustig sein weil ich keine Ahnung habe was ich da machen soll und ich wäre nicht überrascht wenn sie auch keine Ahung hätten.
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Hey guys! I'm an American thinking of expatriating to Germany (gasp!). A month ago I came here to travel around and be a general all around tourist. After having a great month, I think I want to live here, at the very least for another year or so. Right now I'm enrolled in a course in the Goethe Institut (an institute for die Deutsche Sprache), at the level of B21. I can speak some German, but I'm hardly proficient. I think I could get a student visa, but I would rather get an actual residence permit, because I don't plan on being a student. Problem is, while I have money, it's not much, and I'm sure I would be rejected for such a permit, unless I had a source of income. I want to find a job which is hiring, then I'll apply to get a residence permit and start working. I've been thinking of going around to the Irish Pubs, as I think they'd be more open to hiring someone like me. Anybody have any ideas for places which would hire someone who is hardly proficient in German?
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theLamer posted:Anybody have any ideas for places which would hire someone who is hardly proficient in German? Do you have any kind of special skill/knowledge? From your post I am going to assume this is not the case, so the student option is probably much easier. As a student you should be able to find some part-time job that is OK with english speakers.
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