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Huge Liability posted:It's not particularly offensive but I have no clue how to react to it and no idea why she sent this to people. I'm going to try and pretend that I didn't see it and hope that my mom doesn't bring it up.
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# ? Oct 21, 2010 03:02 |
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tek79 posted:This is one of those questions I think we all know the answer to, but have to bite our tongue a bit in answering, lest we sound like completely condescending pricks. To put it plainly, llibja's Facebook conversation a few posts up are the people we're dealing with here. Not saying all Democrats or liberals aren't prone to believing crazy poo poo, but generally those who do are quickly called out or kept at a distance, whereas a willingness to believe bullshit and a lack of effort in researching things tends to be the norm among Conservatives. I've got tons of liberal friends, and have never once received some bullshit Fwd: from them. I only have a few Conservative friends, I do get and have called them out on these emails. I also think age has a lot to do with it. I really don't think this is fair at all. Most of my friends have more liberal views, but if you press them you find that they've thought about their beliefs just as much as ignorant conservatives. They might not send forwards, but you still hear stupid fowardesque poo poo come out of their mouths. Ignorance is ignorance no matter who told them their views.
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# ? Oct 21, 2010 04:43 |
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Neckbeard v. 2.0 posted:I really don't think this is fair at all. Most of my friends have more liberal views, but if you press them you find that they've thought about their beliefs just as much as ignorant conservatives. His whole point was that he doesn't get stupid email forwards from his liberal friends, and he's right. His point has nothing to do with how ignorant your friends are.
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# ? Oct 21, 2010 15:12 |
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Those poor Christians, always getting pushed around for celebrating Christmas.
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# ? Oct 21, 2010 15:26 |
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I'm tempted to wish them a happy Hanukkah or Ramadan. See how that goes.
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# ? Oct 21, 2010 15:29 |
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Neckbeard v. 2.0 posted:I really don't think this is fair at all. Most of my friends have more liberal views, but if you press them you find that they've thought about their beliefs just as much as ignorant conservatives. I agree that Liberals can be as guilty as Conservatives in buying into the crazy, but think I should have emphasized this part of my post more: "Not saying all Democrats or liberals aren't prone to believing crazy poo poo, but generally those who do are quickly called out or kept at a distance, whereas a willingness to believe bullshit and a lack of effort in researching things tends to be the norm among Conservatives." I know its all anecdotal, but It's always been my experience that when a Liberal talks crazy, they're viewed as such, even by fellow Liberals, and are called out on it or just not engaged. I think that has a lot to do with why you don't see many "lefty" chain emails. They're called bullshit as soon as they hit the ground (if they even exist). I just see less of that kind of thing among Conservatives, who tend to be more reactionary rather than analytical. To be fair, I'm not saying all Conservatives believe these things, but on average they seem to be more prone to.
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# ? Oct 21, 2010 15:57 |
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tek79 posted:I agree that Liberals can be as guilty as Conservatives in buying into the crazy, but think I should have emphasized this part of my post more: Just to expand on your point, Republicans and others of the establishment right were at least giving winks and nods to birthers, and there are several members of Congress who are birthers (http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2009/07/28/birther_enablers). Contrast that to the left where Democrats were forced to renounce moveon.org for a bad pun. Conservatives are more prone to crazy in their mainstream.
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# ? Oct 21, 2010 16:09 |
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So I did some checking. Snopes has a number of chain email claims put out for various liberal things (In June of 2002, Bush did a thing!! , Palin's SAT scores) that are entirely made up, that get forwarded around. So I guess it does happen, we just don't see it, because most of us are liberal and computer-savvy enough to avoid them? As well, on the subject of who the hell writes chain letters, a poster on Answerbag.com gave a satisfying, yet wholly unverifiable, answer: Cynic in Tx posted:Marketing firms hire specialized marketing firms to create chain letters that feed on patriotism, sympathy, guilt & religion. Using imagery and usually totally concocted stories of woe they ask the recipient to please send this on (if you love America, If you don't want a little girl to die, or if you're a "real" Christian). So people do and all these email address and any personal information is gathered and sold to the marketing firm who in turn sales it to corporations. These corporations then use this info for junk mail and other unsolicited crap. So if you're a real Christian American who doesn't want little Amy to die before she signs a petition to keep "In God we trust" on our currency and you want to use your first amendment rights to say no to junk mail then you should send this message of truth on to everyone you know!
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# ? Oct 21, 2010 17:18 |
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XyloJW posted:So I did some checking. Snopes has a number of chain email claims put out for various liberal things (In June of 2002, Bush did a thing!! , Palin's SAT scores) that are entirely made up, that get forwarded around. So I guess it does happen, we just don't see it, because most of us are liberal and computer-savvy enough to avoid them? Thing is, how would the marketing firm get the email addresses that the nimrod forwards the email to?
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# ? Oct 21, 2010 17:39 |
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I finally got one from a liberal!quote:>Joe gets up at 6 a.m. and fills his coffeepot with water to prepare his morning coffee. The water is clean and good because some tree-hugging liberal fought for minimum water-quality standards. With his first swallow of coffee, he takes his daily medication. His medications are safe to take because some stupid commie liberal fought to insure their safety and that they work as advertised. It is hard to mock it when I kinda' agree with it. Then again, it's pretty boring, where is the fear mongering?
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# ? Oct 21, 2010 17:46 |
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Zwabu posted:Thing is, how would the marketing firm get the email addresses that the nimrod forwards the email to? I don't understand how computers work. Edit: I don't know if you're stating that they can't get the addresses, or if you're asking if they can. The answer to the first is "Oh okay, sorry, I don't know how computers work" and the answer to the second is "I don't know how computers work." XyloJW fucked around with this message at 18:00 on Oct 21, 2010 |
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XyloJW posted:I don't understand how computers work. I guess I really don't understand how computers work, and your sarcasm is completely unhelpful. If you, a marketing company, gin up some bogus feel-good rah rah rightwing email and send it to me, and I, according to your suggestion, forward the email to my right-thinking friends from my contact list, I fail to see how that results in you, the marketing company, getting those email addresses unless I specifically send you those addresses, or, by simply not using BCC, a giant header with all the emails eventually makes it back to you by right wing osmosis or something.
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# ? Oct 21, 2010 18:05 |
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Zwabu posted:I guess I really don't understand how computers work, and your sarcasm is completely unhelpful. I wasn't being sarcastic, I was just stating that I don't know if there's some method of doing it. Beyond basic interface, I don't really know all that much about computers, and I will defer to anyone who has greater knowledge on the subject. You asked how they could do that. I said I don't know, can they?
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# ? Oct 21, 2010 18:18 |
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XyloJW posted:I wasn't being sarcastic, I was just stating that I don't know if there's some method of doing it. Beyond basic interface, I don't really know all that much about computers, and I will defer to anyone who has greater knowledge on the subject. You asked how they could do that. I said I don't know, can they? Eh never mind, I thought you were saying I was some kind of not-computer-understanding idiot for not seeing the obvious way in which the marketing company gets the emails, I misunderstood your post. No problem.
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# ? Oct 21, 2010 18:20 |
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XyloJW posted:I wasn't being sarcastic, I was just stating that I don't know if there's some method of doing it. Beyond basic interface, I don't really know all that much about computers, and I will defer to anyone who has greater knowledge on the subject. You asked how they could do that. I said I don't know, can they? If someone's mail gets archived anywhere or if someone is careless/dumb enough to forward to an archived mailing list, it could show up there. The only other thing I could think of is that mail headers somehow bounce back to original sender; mail headers can do weird things regarding addresses, especially if users aren't careful, but I don't know of any offhand that actually get triggered or preserved on forwards and would actually bounce back to the origin unless the forwarder specified or the mail client did something weird. It could happen, but I think it's a stretch.
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# ? Oct 21, 2010 18:32 |
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ThePeteEffect posted:If someone's mail gets archived anywhere or if someone is careless/dumb enough to forward to an archived mailing list, it could show up there. The only other thing I could think of is that mail headers somehow bounce back to original sender; mail headers can do weird things regarding addresses, especially if users aren't careful, but I don't know of any offhand that actually get triggered or preserved on forwards and would actually bounce back to the origin unless the forwarder specified or the mail client did something weird. There are a few ways that these emails land you in marketing list hell. One of the older (it's slowly going away) is those little animated pictures that are attached to the message being html linked to a remote server and through browser insecurity loading spyware and tracking cookies. The other is, like you suggested, email headers getting you put on mailing lists. This is usually achieved by marketing companies getting the unsuspecting and uneducated to include an email address in their contacts to make sure their joke-a-day or whatever doesn't end up in the spam filter. Then when you forward that message on to EVERYONE IN YOUR CONTACTS, without using BSS of course, guess who just got all those nice tasty email messages! Back before I did a general culling of stupid people out of my email list (replying to everyone showing how stupid they are for falling for the fake virus/amber alert usually works in one go) I'd regularly see the headers stacked 5 or 6 forwards deep so each time that ends up getting passed to a marketing company that's potentially a couple hundred addresses spammers can now sell off.
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# ? Oct 21, 2010 19:48 |
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York_M_Chan posted:I finally got one from a liberal! That's not a real crazy e-mail forward. The conservative side of it includes murder and intrigue! quote:Joe gets up at 5/a.m. and fills his coffeepot with water to prepare his morning
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# ? Oct 21, 2010 20:20 |
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Burrito posted:That's not a real crazy e-mail forward. The conservative side of it includes murder and intrigue! I like how the conservative take on the liberal version above doesn't even attempt to make any realistic or coherent point, and is essentially mental masturbation over some tough-guy, rugged individual fantasy scenario. Joe raises his own hogs for bacon and is prone to 'Nam flashbacks, in which he flips out and kills people. What the gently caress?
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# ? Oct 21, 2010 20:50 |
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ThePeteEffect posted:Or some mealy-mouthed complaining that "both parties are at fault" or "I'm not biased, I don't trust Republicans either." To be fair, both are. The Republicans for being pricks, and the Democrats for being absolutely ball-less shriveled scrotums and letting the Reps walk all over them despite a congressional majority.
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# ? Oct 21, 2010 20:58 |
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Joe gets up at 5/a.m. and fills his coffeepot with water to prepare his morning coffee. The water is contaminated with cholera because Joe didn't want any commie "regulations". Joe dies because he can't afford health insurance.
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# ? Oct 21, 2010 21:09 |
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MOLLUSC posted:Joe gets up at 5/a.m. and fills his coffeepot with water to prepare his morning Joe gets up at 5 AM. The world explodes. Liberals. VVVVVVV Naet posted:Even simpler: LIBERALS TGLT fucked around with this message at 21:45 on Oct 21, 2010 |
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TGLT posted:Joe gets up at 5 AM. The world explodes. Liberals. Even simpler: Joe doesn't get up at 5 a.m. because his LIBERAL mother aborted him.
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# ? Oct 21, 2010 21:42 |
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Naet posted:Even simpler: Liberals!
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# ? Oct 21, 2010 22:06 |
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I don't know what you guys are talking about, it is a great opening for Falling Down 2.
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# ? Oct 21, 2010 22:51 |
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Burrito posted:That's not a real crazy e-mail forward. The conservative side of it includes murder and intrigue! The funniest part of this is where it claims the federal government would be able to support our current military with only "constitutional" taxes. That is just precious. But there's three things I can guarantee about Joe American in that email: 1.) He drilled the well because he thinks the gubmit is putting fluoride in the water, and there is no chance in hell that the well-water is even remotely clean. 2.) He's the exact same type of person you see running puppy mills, and has probably put up a wooden sign with "pigs" sloppily painted on it somewhere up the road. 3.) For all his hatred of the values that are destroying the country, he did sort of murder three people in cold blood because they needed to see his business permits. So, I think that email is less of a conservative take on a liberal USA and more of a day in the life of a paranoid schitzophrenic.
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# ? Oct 22, 2010 04:02 |
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Blarghalt posted:So, I think that email is less of a conservative take on a liberal USA and more of a day in the life of a paranoid schitzophrenic. There's a difference?
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# ? Oct 22, 2010 14:58 |
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Goddamnit. I just got in an argument with some of my father's tea party friends on his facebook page.
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# ? Oct 22, 2010 16:54 |
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In the conservative Joe e-mail, what is "t**d"? It doesn't fit with any English curse word that I know. Also, this thread makes me really happy that my parents don't have internet, even though it means I don't really get to talk to them that much.
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Mordiceius posted:Goddamnit. I just got in an argument with some of my father's tea party friends on his facebook page. I demand screenshots.
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Dopilsya posted:In the conservative Joe e-mail, what is "t**d"? It doesn't fit with any English curse word that I know.
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# ? Oct 22, 2010 17:26 |
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Dopilsya posted:In the conservative Joe e-mail, what is "t**d"? It doesn't fit with any English curse word that I know. toad
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# ? Oct 22, 2010 17:31 |
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I was reading it as "toad" actually, "turd" never even crossed my mind because it's so light. I guess the sucking part makes it graphic but still "t**d"? Just the first part of that Joe AMERICAN boils my blood, by almost assuming that I (along with the hundreds of thousands of people directly surrounding me) have some sort of access to safe water without relying on a complex gov't maintained delivery system that ensures safety and reliability. I make my morning coffee with the liberal weenie water - but all I need to do is get access to land with enough room for 2 wells, a hog farm, and a machine shop. Once I bootstrap my way out of this urban hellhole I can drink my coffee without feeling like a pussy. I'm 85% sure it was written by a liberal to fool people into thinking "OH THOSE CRAZY RIGHT WINGERS", so w/e.
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# ? Oct 22, 2010 17:54 |
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John Q Russia posted:I'm 85% sure it was written by a liberal to fool people into thinking "OH THOSE CRAZY RIGHT WINGERS", so w/e. You're only 85% sure?
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# ? Oct 22, 2010 18:05 |
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<---- *whoosh* over my head
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# ? Oct 22, 2010 18:11 |
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Ugh, more retardery from friends of family regarding separation of church of state, the O'Donnell debate idiocy, and then every other thing thereafter. I don't have the energy to reply anymore. quote:
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# ? Oct 23, 2010 01:42 |
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When you write stuff like that, how much of the ignorance is willful? They attribute "separation of church and state" to Hugo Black instead of Thomas Jefferson, but start of with dismissing Jefferson. What prompted them to do handwave away Jefferson? Have they heard of the Treaty of Tripoli?
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# ? Oct 23, 2010 01:58 |
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Turnquiet's family friends posted:Oh those damned liebrals are interpreting things all wrong and it is the worst. My interpretation is the right one because of a combination of (wishful thinking) and (outright lies). Conservatism. Sorry to hear your family forces you into contact with mouth breathers.
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# ? Oct 23, 2010 02:00 |
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I usually just reply with a picture of Ron Jeremy sucking his own dick.
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# ? Oct 23, 2010 04:13 |
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Crazy Uncle posted:Churches have tax exempt status! The left has constantly shrieked that we ought not "subsidize religion". ... So perhaps we ought to make churches pay taxes too.
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# ? Oct 23, 2010 04:59 |
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quote:The first evil, as always in government, religion, etc, is the extremely corrupting influence of those who think they are smarter than others. They claim that they can interpret the Constitution to make it say what it does not say. How do you write this while writing a piece on interpreting the Constitution?
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