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Lassitude
Oct 21, 2003

Lt. Jebus posted:

I don't know why the Calgarians are bitching, unlike the progressive tax rates everywhere else, Alberta has a 5% flat income tax that greatly benefits anyone middle class and up.

It's never enough until the drat gub'ment gets its hands off of my hard-earned money entirely!

*is the Canadian Tea Party*

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tuyop
Sep 15, 2006

Every second that we're not growing BASIL is a second wasted

Fun Shoe
There's a huge culture of victimization in Atlantic canada for a reason, people are still sore about how confederation plunged the entire region, especially Halifax, into a 200 year depression. It makes for a very fatalistic and depressed population.

That being said, it's one of the things I love about the maritimes. It's so hard to be rich here that money seems to matter less to the average person than someone from Montreal or toronto. I've never been out west but it seems the same to me in most American cities that I've been to as well.

Must be hard to get used to though, so I'm sorry.

Hatter106
Nov 25, 2006

bolshi fight za homosex

Ruse posted:

Really? Because I hear that from all the Army guys who re-mustered. Unless they went Air Force, of course.

I'm curious about this.
Is it just guys in one service ragging on the other two, or are some of the armed forces objectively better than the others? What's the pros/cons of Army, Navy, Airforce?

Slippery
May 16, 2004


Muscles Boxcar

Hatter106 posted:

I'm curious about this.
Is it just guys in one service ragging on the other two, or are some of the armed forces objectively better than the others? What's the pros/cons of Army, Navy, Airforce?

That's a loaded question; all services have pros and cons. Depends what you're looking for and what you want out of your time in the military, and what you want to do afterwards...

tuyop
Sep 15, 2006

Every second that we're not growing BASIL is a second wasted

Fun Shoe

Slippery posted:

That's a loaded question; all services have pros and cons. Depends what you're looking for and what you want out of your time in the military, and what you want to do afterwards...

Well, except the air force. There are no pros to being in the air force.

Slippery
May 16, 2004


Muscles Boxcar

tuyop posted:

Well, except the air force. There are no pros to being in the air force.

The inherent smugness endemic to being in the best service??

:v:

MA-Horus
Dec 3, 2006

I'm sorry, I can't hear you over the sound of how awesome I am.

Slippery posted:

The inherent smugness endemic to being in the best service??

:v:

All your senior officers wear women's underwear.

Slippery
May 16, 2004


Muscles Boxcar

MA-Horus posted:

All your senior officers wear women's underwear.

Wrong country's AF :(

compressioncut
Sep 3, 2003

Eat knuckle, Fritz!

Hatter106 posted:

I'm curious about this.
Is it just guys in one service ragging on the other two, or are some of the armed forces objectively better than the others? What's the pros/cons of Army, Navy, Airforce?

If you're cool being away from home for 200 days (at least) a year for the first 5 years (at least) of your career, the Navy is for you. That's a best case scenario, lots of NCMs are at sea for 10+ years before their first shore posting.

grover
Jan 23, 2002

PEW PEW PEW
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MA-Horus posted:

All your senior officers wear women's underwear.
Hey now, that's only when deployed.

Commander Jebus
Sep 9, 2001

You came in that thing? You're braver than I thought...

tuyop posted:

Well, except the air force. There are no pros to being in the air force.

I hear it does wonders for your golf game.

mdivi
Nov 23, 2003

Nothing happen for nothing
I'm posted to Baggotville and I only speak English. Give me some tips and advice!

tuyop
Sep 15, 2006

Every second that we're not growing BASIL is a second wasted

Fun Shoe

mdivi posted:

I'm posted to Baggotville and I only speak English. Give me some tips and advice!

Learn french, it's the best language. :)

Elgar
Mar 12, 2005
Hey guys, what is going on I don't understand.

tuyop posted:

Well, except the air force. There are no pros to being in the air force.

except a/c in your room and your room being cleaned for you. wtf airforce that's a bit excessive.

compressioncut
Sep 3, 2003

Eat knuckle, Fritz!

Lt. Jebus posted:

I hear it does wonders for your golf game.

RIMPAC 2004 - Sea King "broke down" on Maui. Crew suspiciously had golf clubs and more than the usual number of passengers (also w/golf clubs) on board.

DrakeriderCa
Feb 3, 2005

But I'm a real cowboy!

compressioncut posted:

RIMPAC 2004 - Sea King "broke down" on Maui. Crew suspiciously had golf clubs and more than the usual number of passengers (also w/golf clubs) on board.

this is the safest cover story in the history of cover stories

MA-Horus
Dec 3, 2006

I'm sorry, I can't hear you over the sound of how awesome I am.

DrakeriderCa posted:

this is the safest cover story in the history of cover stories

Nobody is going to question that a Sea King broke down. It's all they do.

Elgar
Mar 12, 2005
Hey guys, what is going on I don't understand.
gently caress yeah escorting kids around all day tomorrow for take your kids to work day. :(

But really, just found out I'll be a course officer for either a PLQ or BMQ starting Jan. Should be neat.

mdivi
Nov 23, 2003

Nothing happen for nothing

tuyop posted:

Learn french, it's the best language. :)

I'm going to try and get loaded on to a second language course to get my language profile immediately when I get there.

tuyop
Sep 15, 2006

Every second that we're not growing BASIL is a second wasted

Fun Shoe

Elgar posted:

gently caress yeah escorting kids around all day tomorrow for take your kids to work day. :(

But really, just found out I'll be a course officer for either a PLQ or BMQ starting Jan. Should be neat.

Hey i think we're neighbours.

MA-Horus
Dec 3, 2006

I'm sorry, I can't hear you over the sound of how awesome I am.

Elgar posted:

gently caress yeah escorting kids around all day tomorrow for take your kids to work day. :(

But really, just found out I'll be a course officer for either a PLQ or BMQ starting Jan. Should be neat.

If you're a Junior officer, it's all you should be trusted to do.

*insert 2LT joke here*

Elgar
Mar 12, 2005
Hey guys, what is going on I don't understand.

MA-Horus posted:

If you're a Junior officer, it's all you should be trusted to do.

*insert 2LT joke here*

well I don't have any relevant experience so yeah.

Also, neighbours in what way? As in F3 or as in we are both in PAT?

Elgar fucked around with this message at 01:20 on Nov 4, 2010

tuyop
Sep 15, 2006

Every second that we're not growing BASIL is a second wasted

Fun Shoe

Elgar posted:

well I don't have any relevant experience so yeah.

Also, neighbours in what way? As in F3 or as in we are both in PAT?

I'm in F18 on pat, I thought you were one of the guys going mp o.

Elgar
Mar 12, 2005
Hey guys, what is going on I don't understand.

tuyop posted:

I'm in F18 on pat, I thought you were one of the guys going mp o.

Nah son, waiting out on 1.2 so I can get surgery on my foot.

Simkin
May 18, 2007

"He says he's going to be number one!"
Aaaand ... now I know who you are. :)

Not like you're missing much with 1.2 at the moment (or at least today). We had one captain explain to us today what his trade used to be able to provide to the infantry (Air Defence Arty), but no longer is tasked with, no longer has the equipment to provide, and will actually cease to exist as a separate trade in short order.

Today's take-away lesson: armoured senior NCOs all have comical moustaches, engineers are just like us, but apparently need rest, and arty officers don't do anything other than stitch together ROVER clips to make a 20 minute long war porn video, set to System of a Down. :gibs:

MA-Horus
Dec 3, 2006

I'm sorry, I can't hear you over the sound of how awesome I am.

Simkin posted:

Aaaand ... now I know who you are. :)

Not like you're missing much with 1.2 at the moment (or at least today). We had one captain explain to us today what his trade used to be able to provide to the infantry (Air Defence Arty), but no longer is tasked with, no longer has the equipment to provide, and will actually cease to exist as a separate trade in short order.

Today's take-away lesson: armoured senior NCOs all have comical moustaches, engineers are just like us, but apparently need rest, and arty officers don't do anything other than stitch together ROVER clips to make a 20 minute long war porn video, set to System of a Down. :gibs:

I remember when that air defense regiment in Pet got retasked to straight gun artillery, there was much wailing and gnashing of teeth involved. Especially since they were taking guns from more established regiments that were forced into converting to mortars.

What's that? Yeah, just chilling in the back of my gun tractor with the heat on while you hump ammo all real close to the enemy and then fart it out of tiny tubes. What's that? Coffee's done? Gotta go.

:smug:

tuyop
Sep 15, 2006

Every second that we're not growing BASIL is a second wasted

Fun Shoe

Simkin posted:

Aaaand ... now I know who you are. :)

Not like you're missing much with 1.2 at the moment (or at least today). We had one captain explain to us today what his trade used to be able to provide to the infantry (Air Defence Arty), but no longer is tasked with, no longer has the equipment to provide, and will actually cease to exist as a separate trade in short order.

Today's take-away lesson: armoured senior NCOs all have comical moustaches, engineers are just like us, but apparently need rest, and arty officers don't do anything other than stitch together ROVER clips to make a 20 minute long war porn video, set to System of a Down. :gibs:

Yeah I figured it out when you said you were the big guy on course.

Elgar
Mar 12, 2005
Hey guys, what is going on I don't understand.

Simkin posted:

Aaaand ... now I know who you are. :)

Not like you're missing much with 1.2 at the moment (or at least today). We had one captain explain to us today what his trade used to be able to provide to the infantry (Air Defence Arty), but no longer is tasked with, no longer has the equipment to provide, and will actually cease to exist as a separate trade in short order.

Today's take-away lesson: armoured senior NCOs all have comical moustaches, engineers are just like us, but apparently need rest, and arty officers don't do anything other than stitch together ROVER clips to make a 20 minute long war porn video, set to System of a Down. :gibs:

Well I didn't exactly make it hard to figure it out.


yeah that briefing day was kind of brutal and useless. I used to have a usb with all the pt plans from last course on it, but I have no idea where it is now. :(

compressioncut
Sep 3, 2003

Eat knuckle, Fritz!
Started my QL6A today. Three (3) students.

Agent Escalus
Oct 5, 2002

"I couldn't stop saying aloud how miscast Jim Carrey was!"
How many is it normally?

compressioncut
Sep 3, 2003

Eat knuckle, Fritz!
Well, the first two months are split between east and west coasts so that's a little misleading, but they can usually do 10 students altogether. However, there are only two guys on the east coast right now, making for five when we merge in the new year.

So, pretty light load which should make for a lot of free time. Fine out here at home, but Halifax in winter will be a different story.

It's a really different dynamic compared to any other course I've done, too, because us students have known each other for years, and have also known the instructors for just as long. One of our instructors was teaching QL3 when I was originally at the school.

Only one more trade course, ever, after this one (6B). I feel old.

Agent Escalus
Oct 5, 2002

"I couldn't stop saying aloud how miscast Jim Carrey was!"
I've been wondering recently: how much hand-to-hand combat training are you required to do in basic? And what exactly are you learning - wrestling/grappling moves? Punches and kicks? Choke holds? Do Army recruits do additional training when they pick their specialty?

Mr.48
May 1, 2007

Agent Escalus posted:

I've been wondering recently: how much hand-to-hand combat training are you required to do in basic? And what exactly are you learning - wrestling/grappling moves? Punches and kicks? Choke holds? Do Army recruits do additional training when they pick their specialty?

As far as I remember theres no official hand-to-hand component in basic, but if your instructors are cool they will teach you some anyways. And no you dont do any specialized training until you start doing your QL3's (your trade courses).

Fraser CDN
May 16, 2009
MORON

Agent Escalus posted:

I've been wondering recently: how much hand-to-hand combat training are you required to do in basic? And what exactly are you learning - wrestling/grappling moves? Punches and kicks? Choke holds? Do Army recruits do additional training when they pick their specialty?

You don't do any besides bayonet fighting. In Infantry training you do a week of hand to hand training.

Samu
Jan 11, 2010

The only thing I hate more than hippie neo-liberal fascists and anarchists are the hypocrite fat cat suits they grow up to become.
Yeah the closest you'll get to hand to hand combat is learning how to properly search people and how to put them down if they start struggling. Unless you go infantry that's all you'll ever get.

Anyone here heading to PEI for that govenor generals swearing in ceremony? I'm on the bus now, but this morning my alarm didn't go off and I woke up fifteen minutes before I had to report. I couldn't find my parades or bag for my DEUs, and I had to shave at the mess. Complete shitshow.

Samu fucked around with this message at 13:50 on Nov 7, 2010

Agent Escalus
Oct 5, 2002

"I couldn't stop saying aloud how miscast Jim Carrey was!"
Makes sense, since they're the only ones who'd possibly make use of it in the line of duty. The only other ones who might would be our Air Force pilots aren't if they end up in a Behind Enemy Lines type of situation, and at this point in world affairs that's not likely to happen.

Simkin
May 18, 2007

"He says he's going to be number one!"
Well, that's good to know someone's learning it, because they sure as poo poo don't bother with teaching any CQB/unarmed stuff to Infantry officers.

No, having a bear pit where the DS stand around and place bets on the candidates doesn't count. :crossarms:

Blade_of_tyshalle
Jul 12, 2009

If you think that, along the way, you're not going to fail... you're blind.

There's no one I've ever met, no matter how successful they are, who hasn't said they had their failures along the way.

So if you want to learn martial arts pretty much at all, you'll have to go find on your own a school in the civilian world? Is there any kind of allowance for that kind of thing, or entirely out-of-pocket?

How long has it been this way? My dad says he learned savate as a logistics driver in the 80's, and I remember watching videos ~10 years ago about people learning jiujitsu at the officer academy; those videos may have been chock full of misinformation since it was a "holy poo poo joining the military is kickin' rad, dog!" kind of thing.

compressioncut
Sep 3, 2003

Eat knuckle, Fritz!

Agent Escalus posted:

Makes sense, since they're the only ones who'd possibly make use of it in the line of duty. The only other ones who might would be our Air Force pilots aren't if they end up in a Behind Enemy Lines type of situation, and at this point in world affairs that's not likely to happen.

Aircrew do a SERE course (Survival, Evasion, Resistance and Escape). I don't know how involved it is. Apparently you have to trap and eat a rabbit.

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Elgar
Mar 12, 2005
Hey guys, what is going on I don't understand.
There is a cqb course you can take. So you eventually get around to it.

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