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entris posted:The longevity of Grumblefish's bit is astounding.
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Mookie posted:Critical Legal Studies is stupid, useless pedantic bullshit that makes me think less of you for taking it. Mookie raises a good point. IF IT'S TAUGHT BY AN ADJUNCT PROFESSOR, TAKE IT.
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Petey posted:Yep (though it could mean Columbia Law School I suppose) I was kinda hoping Georgetown had a section dedicated to learning about Columbia law, but alas, I was wrong.
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"The longevity of Grumblefish's bit is astounding. ...France is part of "The West" so.... " Its frustrating that our Western canon, with all of its honest to god revolutions (and reflections thereopon) and sex (poets of romanticism) and how to thrust a sword (Clausewitz and such) has gone to the wayside in favour of disenchanted spirits of May 68' and explicit socialist tendencies where every action is seemingly seen as inherent oppression and punishment. The great books, or so we would once call them, are so casually overwritten by some French guy that was keen to get whipped in bathhouses. Post-modernism/post-structuralism... urgh.
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What's a good font for a cover letter? I'm using Times New Roman, but is it too boring?
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GamingHyena posted:What's a good font for a cover letter? Use century schoolbook and subtlely imitate SCOTUS opinions.
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GamingHyena posted:What's a good font for a cover letter? I've taken a liking to Georgia, though numbers are formatted a bit weird.
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it's "subtly" you loving pea brain
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I don't think you "get" intellectualism
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Phil Moscowitz posted:I don't think you "get" intellectualism Rage. I like it. Feed me with your angry deconstructionist gibberish. You only thought I incorrectly spelled the word because of your social construction spelling hegemony.
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run along and edit your post now. OED and cambridge say you are wrong. or perhaps they are both deconstructionist gibberish?
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I kid with you, I do not want to troll or turn the thread crap (You can jump in here and say my latest posts have been crap :P). I made a spelling mistake, thank you for correcting me (Im being genuine here). I will leave it there for posterity. Really though, these French Post-structuralist writers offer little substantive actionable thought to move things forward/make things happen in the field of legal studies. I mean, how would they take the issue of the ABA and the law school scam we have going on at the moment? Hardly going to get a voice that will be heard to the ABA and atleast get something done here and now if you are awash with rants about ideology and hegemony.
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GamingHyena posted:What's a good font for a cover letter? I use Garamond, personally. It is a bit lighter than TNR, so consider using 13 point font to make up for that.  Also use Comic Sans
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So how much do private attorneys charge for writing a brief, or how many billable hours do they rack up writing one? Let's say a member of the hired bar writes a basic 30 page brief, consisting of a 10 page statement of facts, 15 page argument on whether a vehicle search was a valid inventory search or valid search incident to arrest, and then a remaining 5 pages on whether the injuries sustained by a victim constituted great bodily harm, or just boring old bodily harm. If you prostitute yourself in the civil sector, then assume whatever the equivalent is. I'd be interested in seeing a spread of prices/hours from people around here, or just from firms in general; how many billables would this sort of thing rack you up? I don't sell myself, so I'm really not sure how these things are done. When people prepare an issue they've already dealt with in another case, do they just cut and paste it from the old brief, or reinvent the wheel to generate a higher price tag? If they do cut and paste, is it typical to judge the billables in accordance with how long it takes to revise it, or in accordance with how many billable hours the material took to originally research and draught? nm posted:Yes, especially as it stopped being funny like 6 months and 2 user names ago. 
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Thanks for the responses guys. I've got an inside track on a government job that I have a really good chance of getting and I just don't want to screw it up  Stupid Resume Question #2 When using a writing sample that was a live pleading (response to MSJ), what do most people use to anonymize the parties' names? Changing the names to PLAINTIFF and DEFENDANT makes the document look weird, but making up names seems stupid. Should I even bother since it was filed and is therefore a public record?
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GamingHyena posted:Thanks for the responses guys. I've got an inside track on a government job that I have a really good chance of getting and I just don't want to screw it up If it was actually filed in the form you're using as a writing sample (i.e. you're not using the pre-partner editing draft as the sample), don't redact at all. It's a public document. Personally, I like to use the ECF endorsed (or state-equivalent stamping) versions where possible, so there are zero concerns about the origin of the document. Double bonus points if your name appears in the caption as one of the counsel of record.
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I still use a writing sample that is a federal motion, ECF stamped, and bearing my e-signature on the line despite a dozen lawyers on the pleading and three signature blocks.
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Shang Yang posted:So how much do private attorneys charge for writing a brief, or how many billable hours do they rack up writing one? Let's say a member of the hired bar writes a basic 30 page brief, consisting of a 10 page statement of facts, 15 page argument on whether a vehicle search was a valid inventory search or valid search incident to arrest, and then a remaining 5 pages on whether the injuries sustained by a victim constituted great bodily harm, or just boring old bodily harm. If you prostitute yourself in the civil sector, then assume whatever the equivalent is. I could do it in 8 for $120 because I'd crib from loving everything else I'd written in the case. My time ain't worth poo poo! I have friends whose job it is to run into walls in videogames and report when they clip through. They get paid $10/hour. 
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Mookie posted:Critical Legal Studies is stupid, useless pedantic bullshit that makes me think less of you for taking it. When Mookie doesn't like something you know that a) it is probably morally superior and b) will make you a poor.
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Petey posted:Maybe this is because the practice of law is truly hateful ~*~  what area of law do you practice that got you so down?
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Lemonus posted:I kid with you, I do not want to troll or turn the thread crap (You can jump in here and say my latest posts have been crap :P). I made a spelling mistake, thank you for correcting me (Im being genuine here). I will leave it there for posterity. sorry dude I totally thought you were a grumblefish alt. otherwise I wouldn't have hosed with you
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CaptainScraps posted:D) GO TEACH ENGLISH. I just want to second this... I haven't actually done any research into it but I feel like I hear about Teaching English Abroad programs every other day. Certainly a determined man such as yourself can find a good one. Three years and $100k+ debt or crazy drunken foreign adventures with a paycheck? Might as well take some time to figure out your life and actually see if you like teaching English.
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drat it. I saw all these replies and got excited over the prospect of some new taco joint to try. But then I find out it's another troll/dimwit.
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Phil Moscowitz posted:sorry dude I totally thought you were a grumblefish alt. otherwise I wouldn't have hosed with you
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Shang Yang posted:So how much do private attorneys charge for writing a brief, or how many billable hours do they rack up writing one? Let's say a member of the hired bar writes a basic 30 page brief, consisting of a 10 page statement of facts, 15 page argument on whether a vehicle search was a valid inventory search or valid search incident to arrest, and then a remaining 5 pages on whether the injuries sustained by a victim constituted great bodily harm, or just boring old bodily harm. If you prostitute yourself in the civil sector, then assume whatever the equivalent is. Excluding time to read and summarize the transcript or depositions (depending on the nature of the brief) it almost always works out to an hour per finished page. So a thirty page brief would be around thirty hours. It is very rare in my practice that I can cut and paste much of prior briefs, but when I can, I do. I don't think it is ethical to bill a new client for work I already did, so they get the savings.
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CaptainScraps posted:Mookie raises a good point. Too bad the ABA will threaten to pull your accreditation if you have too many adjuncts teaching.
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All law school classes should be taught by adjuncts and the tuition should be respectively lowered (since they pay those guys like $1000 a credit)
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Phil Moscowitz posted:All law school classes should be taught by adjuncts and the tuition should be respectively lowered (since they pay those guys like $1000 a credit) But if you lower tuition, how will you pay the $80,000 salary of the guy in the career services office that makes coffee for everyone? Think of the administrators!
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Kase Im Licht posted:
I love adjuncts, holy poo poo this pisses me off. Phil with it posted:All law school classes should be taught by adjuncts and the tuition should be respectively lowered (since they pay those guys like $1000 a credit) Yes. I haven't really been angry with the ABA before, but I'm liking this new emotion.
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Oldsrocket_27 posted:I do. I never said I thought it meant a guaranteed job. We're not doing what we do for entertainment, we're doing it to make potential 1Ls realize that they are throwing away three years of potential and a lot of money for very slim prospects. I used to think the attitude of the thread was elitist with the "go T14 or go home" attitude, and while there may still remain a little of that, the fact is that the axiom has never been truer than it is at this very moment. Your score/grades are similar to where I was when I went to law school and you said Midwest so you "best" schools are likely the very same "best" schools that I was looking at. I ended up at Loyola Chicago, spent 3.5 years working my butt off, was in the top third of my class, and WASN'T EVEN ELIGIBLE to submit my resume for anything during 2L OCI. I have a very expensive degree that did very little to advance my career. I am not alone, and in fact there are very very few people I went to law school with who are practicing attorneys right now. The idea that you can "settle" for a 40K per year job doing Insurance Defense until something better comes along is laughable and ridiculous. People are doing everything but knifing one another to get jobs like that. We're not being hyperbolic, it is that bad, and we're just trying to steer you away from driving off that cliff. A PhD isn't necessarily the answer either, but we're not life counselors; we're only here to tell you that what you think is your best option is probably actually your worst.
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Soothing Vapors posted:Shang Yang is grumblefish now, take your loving ginko biloba and try to keep up grampa 
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Shang Yang posted:So how much do private attorneys charge for writing a brief, or how many billable hours do they rack up writing one? Let's say a member of the hired bar writes a basic 30 page brief, consisting of a 10 page statement of facts, 15 page argument on whether a vehicle search was a valid inventory search or valid search incident to arrest, and then a remaining 5 pages on whether the injuries sustained by a victim constituted great bodily harm, or just boring old bodily harm. If you prostitute yourself in the civil sector, then assume whatever the equivalent is. Always cut and paste if you have already done the legwork. Not really sure what your last question means. You don't double bill for that work, if that's what you're asking.
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gvibes posted:Not really sure what your last question means. You don't double bill for that work, if that's what you're asking. ay, that's what I was asking. If you cut and paste something, you may need to revise it so that it better suits the instant fact pattern, so of course you bill for that. However, just like people sell movies and books repeatedly at full price, so might a private practitioner sell his legal argument again and again. Didn't know if that was standard practice or not, so thanks for the answer. There are concurrent sentences where one day counts multiple times across a spread of sins, but it's good to hear that billables don't work the same way. also, ginko biloba
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"A Cessna aircraft and the 'Naked Lady Ranch,' in Palm City, Florida, both belonging to the Defendant, were used in the operation." http://wikimapia.org/5281460/Naked-Lady-Ranch-Airport
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I have a question about other advanced degrees and how they factor into my acceptance (or lack thereof) into a school: Say for example, I have a PhD from a top 10 school in Biology (or chemistry, or physics, or whatever). Does this improve my chances dramatically compared to other students? Assume that I can score well enough on the LSAT and that my undergraduate and graduate GPAs are competitive. I'm aware that those are huge assumptions, but I'm just curious about the advanced degree. Basically I'm interested in patent law and have no interest in continuing scientific research.
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areyoucontagious posted:I have a question about other advanced degrees and how they factor into my acceptance (or lack thereof) into a school: Nothing matters except your LSAT, your undergraduate GPA, and your ethnic background. Edit: I should be more accurate. If you are a white guy with a 170 LSAT, a 3.8 GPA, and a bunch of graduate work, you will get in over a white guy with a 170 LSAT and a 3.8 GPA who only went to undergrad and didn't do anything interesting during/after college. However, if you are a white guy with a 170 LSAT, a 3.8 GPA, and a bunch of graduate work, you will probably not get in over a white guy with a 171 LSAT and a 3.9 GPA who only went to undergrad and didn't do anything interesting during/after college. Dr. Mantis Toboggan fucked around with this message at 20:48 on Nov 2, 2010 |
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areyoucontagious posted:I have a question about other advanced degrees and how they factor into my acceptance (or lack thereof) into a school: Have you considered becoming a patent agent/technical advisor/whatever you want to call them? Some firms will pay for law school for its patent agents/tech advisors. It's a pretty sweet deal, as you automatically have a job secured upon graduation.
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areyoucontagious posted:I have a question about other advanced degrees and how they factor into my acceptance (or lack thereof) into a school:
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Grammar Fascist posted:Any suggestions for an admin supplement? ginko biloba.
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