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Pope Mobile posted:Also doesn't help that Kenobi acts like he's pure evil through the whole OT. No mention of "Oh, yeah, by the way. I should probably tell you that, despite all the hosed up poo poo he did, your mother believed there is still some good in him. Perhaps there is." To be honest, by the PT Obi Wan barely knew Anakin and pretty much despised him. The positive side of their relationship was pretty much a story about them landing in a pit of Gundarks once. Other than that, Obi Wan pretty much bitched at him most the time because it was obvious that he didn't want to teach him from the start. Anakin was also a whiny and cocky bitch which blossomed into a wonderful personality that didn't help either.
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I go away for three months because my computer breaks and holy gently caress, there's a new thread and I'm in the OP! I'm so glad to see I've become a byword for Imperial support around here. I love you too, Geeky Star Wars Questions Megathread! Obi-wan wasn't lying when he didn't tell Luke that he met Luke's mother. It was just a convenient omission......from a certain point of view*. Also, I've been seeing commercials for TFU2 on TV and god drat, I have a bad feeling about this. *'A certain point of view' may not necessarily extend to what a non-Jedi would view as truth, sanity, or morality.
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Nov 2, 2010 23:45
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RocknRollaAyatollah posted:To be honest, by the PT Obi Wan barely knew Anakin and pretty much despised him. The positive side of their relationship was pretty much a story about them landing in a pit of Gundarks once. Other than that, Obi Wan pretty much bitched at him most the time because it was obvious that he didn't want to teach him from the start. Anakin was also a whiny and cocky bitch which blossomed into a wonderful personality that didn't help either. What about when they part before Obi Wan heads off to fight Grievous on the pothole planet? He seemed pretty nice and even pleased with Anakin. E: Aslo the whole "I loved you! You were like a brother!" thing. EE: vvv So we're not supposed to believe that Obi Wan actually cared for Anakin even though he said it? I thought one of George's biggest failings as a director was being unable to show how characters feel, so he just has them say it. its all nice on rice fucked around with this message at 23:56 on Nov 2, 2010 |
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Nov 2, 2010 23:52
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Pope Mobile posted:What about when they part before Obi Wan heads off to fight Grievous on the pothole planet? He seemed pretty nice and even pleased with Anakin. That was thrown in to give the impression that Obi-Wan was pretty nice and even pleased with Anakin.
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Nov 2, 2010 23:54
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Goddamn, TFU2 is a short game. I guess they tried to make up for it by making the final boss the most drawn-out, tedious thing I've ever done in a video game. And I played WoW, for fucks sake. That end boss was seriously so boring I don't even know if I want to go back and get the Dark Side ending. And yeah, it ends on a cliffhanger that will never get resolved because TFU3 got canceled. What's the familiar feeling? That...cloying sense of disappointment? I guess this is Star Wars after all 
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Nov 3, 2010 00:00
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On a scale of 1-10, how much does TFUII poo poo on the established continuity?
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Nov 3, 2010 00:04
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:On a scale of 1-10, how much does TFUII poo poo on the established continuity? Well, it ends with Darth Vader being arrested and taken to the rebel base on Dantooine.
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Nov 3, 2010 00:07
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Something's been bugging me lately. I remember as a kid thinking that the Jedi were these Knight-Errant sorts that wander about doing good with a loose organization, but what I can't remember was when I first heard about the Jedi Council and how they were organized. Anybody know when that all first came up in Star Wars?
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Nov 3, 2010 00:07
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JonLikesPie posted:Something's been bugging me lately. I remember as a kid thinking that the Jedi were these Knight-Errant sorts that wander about doing good with a loose organization, but what I can't remember was when I first heard about the Jedi Council and how they were organized. The Jedi Council originated with The Phantom Menace, as I recall.
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Nov 3, 2010 00:08
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ImpAtom posted:Well, it ends with Darth Vader being arrested and taken to the rebel base on Dantooine. Oh poo poo, I already knew that from earlier in the thread. No joke, the plot is suddenly coming back to me. I, honest to god, blacked it out of my memory. FUUUCK
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Nov 3, 2010 00:10
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Oh poo poo, I already knew that from earlier in the thread. No joke, the plot is suddenly coming back to me. I, honest to god, blacked it out of my memory. To be fair, there's some hilarious indication that Darth Vader threw the entire fight so he could train his other, even more secret Dark Apprentice.
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Nov 3, 2010 00:14
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ImpAtom posted:To be fair, there's some hilarious indication that Darth Vader threw the entire fight so he could train his other, even more secret Dark Apprentice. Also Boba Fett is apparently planning to rescue Vader for some reason.
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Nov 3, 2010 00:20
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I'm hoping OT and EU era Boba Fett is really a secret Jedi clone thing.
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Nov 3, 2010 00:23
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ImpAtom posted:To be fair, there's some hilarious indication that Darth Vader threw the entire fight so he could train his other, even more secret Dark Apprentice. WHAAAAAAAAT?!  Now I almost wish TFU3 hadn't been cancelled, just so I could see how deep the rabbit hole of insanity goes.
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Nov 3, 2010 00:24
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ImpAtom posted:Well, it ends with Darth Vader being arrested and taken to the rebel base on Dantooine. So the rebel base really was on Dantooine? 
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Nov 3, 2010 00:50
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NGL posted:The Jedi Council originated with The Phantom Menace, as I recall. Really? I could've sworn hearing something about it before the Prequel Trilogy.
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Nov 3, 2010 00:54
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Captain von Trapp posted:So the rebel base really was on Dantooine? Presumably Vader destroys it while escaping or something. Which... makes the entire exchange with Leia telling Tarkin about it make no sense. Especially since Leia is explicitly shown as knowing Vader was being taken to Dantooine. She talks to Starkiller about it. Actually, that brings up something: Luke sure probably was pissed when he found out the Rebel Alliance had their own Jedi and Leia was on good terms with a dude who made Luke look like a five year old and kicked their father's rear end on multiple occasions. ImpAtom fucked around with this message at 01:00 on Nov 3, 2010 |
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Nov 3, 2010 00:56
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Captain von Trapp posted:So the rebel base really was on Dantooine? Wasn't it established somewhere that they had one up and running (or near to that, at any rate) for several months, only to find Imperial spy equipment in a cargo shipment that led them to abandoning it within a few days?
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Nov 3, 2010 00:57
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NeonTurtle posted:The part with Padme believing there was still good in him and trying to bring him back to the good side completely ruins Vader's redemption in Return of the Jedi for me. Because it suggests that Vader is so screwed up in the head that his wife, whom he's known for most of his life, can't save him. Meanwhile, his son, who he met for the first time 50 minutes ago, can save him. It would have been a lot better if Padme had completely rejected him when she learned Anakin went on a hunting trip in the Jedi temple. Just flat out rejection in the vein of I don't know you anymore, stay away from me, You are not the Anakin I loved, etc. Make it so his son was the first person who actually offered him another chance. It'd make a lot more sense from a storytelling perspective. This I disagree with mostly on the fact that Vader would have ignored his wife because he was just beginning his delve into the dark side, whereas with Luke he had plenty of time beyond the 50 minutes to contemplate everything.
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Nov 3, 2010 00:57
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And retards act like this is the deepest story ever.
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Nov 3, 2010 00:58
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Casimir Radon posted:And retards act like this is the deepest story ever. Wait, people seriously argue there's depth to this?
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Nov 3, 2010 00:59
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There really is depth with the idea, and some EU has expanded on it. Unfortunately the creator seems determined to grace us with CGI rabbit lizards with speech impediments instead of exploring it in the higher canon.
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Nov 3, 2010 01:02
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ImpAtom posted:Presumably Vader destroys it while escaping or something. Which... makes the entire exchange with Leia telling Tarkin about it make no sense. Especially since Leia is explicitly shown as knowing Vader was being taken to Dantooine. She talks to Starkiller about it. They probably had Vader blindfolded the entire time, so it's OK.
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Nov 3, 2010 01:15
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Jerk McJerkface posted:They probably had Vader blindfolded the entire time, so it's OK. Blindfolds would be tricky with that mask. Just paint over the eyes.
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LLJKSiLk posted:There really is depth with the idea, and some EU has expanded on it. Unfortunately the creator seems determined to grace us with CGI rabbit lizards with speech impediments instead of exploring it in the higher canon. Pretty much.
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Jerk McJerkface posted:They probably had Vader blindfolded the entire time, so it's OK.  Click here for the full 720x480 image. Not quite!
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Nucleic Acids posted:Wait, people seriously argue there's depth to this? I take it you've never been to the theforce.net forums, where Luke is OBVIOUSLY Jesus and so is Vader. Also, Mandalorians are the Jews. -----signature----- I only pose as a Sith to bring them down from within. The Jedi are my brotherhood, my family, and the Living Force is my salvation. ANH > ROTJ > ESB > TPM > ROTS > AOTC Live for Jesus TPM 3D in theaters 2012 e-married to Lady_Jedi93
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About the FUII ending, how do they capture Vader without him just killing people with the force?
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Forum Actuary posted:About the FUII ending, how do they capture Vader without him just killing people with the force? It's not really explained. As mentioned there's some indication he's letting himself get captured. This doesn't explain why either of the Jedi present as his capture don't wonder what the deal is with him not force choking everything in a three mile radius.
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I can't even imagine what the rebel leaders thought when they captured Vader. I mean, seriously, he's the second most important political and military figure in the galaxy, the Emperor's right-hand-man and gofer, who has magic powers and can kill you with his brain, read your thoughts, influence your thoughts and gently caress with your perceptions, and is incredibly strong and intelligent. And you, the leader of this tiny rebel cell on Dantooine, have him in your hands. Now what the gently caress are you going to do with him? Once the Empire gets word of this they're going to come down on you like a ton of bricks, they'll probably do that thing with the Star Destroyers where they glass the surface of the planet from orbit, and you just got the goddamned base up and running again, and these jackasses come in here with one of the most powerful people you can imagine in custody. gently caress! They probably expect you to be proud of them too, give them a medal or something - well, gently caress that poo poo. No-one can know Vader was ever here! You didn't spend the last ten years space-Photoshopping pictures of Palpatine making out with a Gungan and then pasting them onto every lightpost in the hard streets of Ord Mantell and eventually become head of the Dantooine cell to deal with this kind of poo poo. Chris. What a loving day.
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JonLikesPie posted:Really? I could've sworn hearing something about it before the Prequel Trilogy. The closest thing to the Jedi Council before TPM was from the Tales of the Jedi comics where the Jedi had occasional convocations to debate big policy issues, like supporting the Republic in a war. But even when those had a few Jedi Masters who were respected above the rest (Thon, Arca, Nomi Sunrider for example) there wasn't really any official structure. And then stuff like Courtship of Princess Leia had Jedi Masters flying around in their ships training people.
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Mad Hamish posted:I can't even imagine what the rebel leaders thought when they captured Vader. I mean, seriously, he's the second most important political and military figure in the galaxy, the Emperor's right-hand-man and gofer, who has magic powers and can kill you with his brain, read your thoughts, influence your thoughts and gently caress with your perceptions, and is incredibly strong and intelligent. And you, the leader of this tiny rebel cell on Dantooine, have him in your hands. Now what the gently caress are you going to do with him? Once the Empire gets word of this they're going to come down on you like a ton of bricks, they'll probably do that thing with the Star Destroyers where they glass the surface of the planet from orbit, and you just got the goddamned base up and running again, and these jackasses come in here with one of the most powerful people you can imagine in custody. gently caress! They probably expect you to be proud of them too, give them a medal or something - well, gently caress that poo poo. No-one can know Vader was ever here! You didn't spend the last ten years space-Photoshopping pictures of Palpatine making out with a Gungan and then pasting them onto every lightpost in the hard streets of Ord Mantell and eventually become head of the Dantooine cell to deal with this kind of poo poo. Chris. What a loving day. If the Robot Chicken guys did that comedy TV show from this viewpoint, we'd all watch it.
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ImpAtom posted:
I keep seeing that as some darth vader style tuxedo, and I love it.
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Kingtheninja posted:I keep seeing that as some darth vader style tuxedo, and I love it. I keep seeing Captain Pike's chair, where Vader can only communicate in bleeps and bloops.
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Mad Hamish posted:*'A certain point of view' may not necessarily extend to what a non-Jedi would view as truth, sanity, or morality. Count me among those who don't appreciate the whitewashing of history pro-Jedi regularly conduct. The victors get to write the history after all... I'm sure the mother who just lost her child to one of your road side bombs meant to take out some imperial troops really appreciates this "freedom" you are granting her from this "evil Empire" which basically serves as a means of revenue generation and governance that the law abiding citizen has nothing to fear from.
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I still think 'Hey dude, fight your long lost robo cyber daddy with me in space!' wouldn't have gotten us a kick rear end trilogy.
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Duckman2008 posted:This I disagree with mostly on the fact that Vader would have ignored his wife because he was just beginning his delve into the dark side, whereas with Luke he had plenty of time beyond the 50 minutes to contemplate everything. I'm sorry, but I have to disagree with you on this part. If anything, he should have been more receptive at the beginning of his fall to the dark side. Anakin would be confused and more than a little disturbed. Until a day or two ago he had been a guardian of peace and order. Then, some creepy old man said some things that seemed to make sense, and he acted on that old man's words. Acting on that creepy old man's words directly led Anakin to commit the Great Youngling Massacre of 16 BBY. One the one hand, the old guy promised peace, order, and a way to save his beloved wife. On the other hand, the old guy's way has already directly led to the slaughter of hundreds of innocents. He gets home and explodes at his wife when he discovers that his master was there, and takes off for Mustafar. Anakin would be balancing on the edge at Mustafar, a small push and he could fall either way. Palpatine sent Anakin to Mustafar right after the Great Youngling Massacre of 16 BBY, so he did not have a chance to work his magic on Anakin's balancing act. The first person who had a chance to talk things over with Anakin would be Padme when she arrived at Mustafar. Even after everything, she still loves him and is willing to forgive him. Given his mental state, he should have been desperate for someone to help him find his way. Padme should have been that someone, but the plot determined that she couldn't. Of course, all of the above presumes that Anakin is a rational human being. And personally, I don't trust Lucas to create a rational character anymore.
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LLJKSiLk posted:I keep seeing Captain Pike's chair, where Vader can only communicate in bleeps and bloops. Imagine Vader and Artoo as buddy cops, flying around in a landspeeder solving crimes, arguing, and driving each other insane with their differences until they reconcile in time to catch the perp at the end of the episode. Vader would be the by-the-book ex-military guy who's organized, methodical, and strict, but Artoo would be footloose and fancy free, leaving old restraining bolts in the bottom of the tub after an oil bath, dripping coolant all over Vader's nice clean carpet, and always bursting into Vader's meditation chamber with one of his crazy new moneymaking schemes. Comedic genius!
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NeonTurtle posted:some creepy old man I think this is one spot where the Clone Wars CG cartoon helps a bit. I've only watched the first season so far, but it gave me the impression Anakin saw Palpatine as a father figure. Which Palpatine used to manipulate him. RotS made more sense that way, Anakin felt insulted by the Jedi and when forced chose Palpatine. I can't remember who said it, but someone (I think the last thread) said Anakin had borderline personality disorder. DSM IV-TR posted:A pervasive pattern of instability of interpersonal relationships, self-image and affects, as well as marked impulsivity, beginning by early adulthood and present in a variety of contexts, as indicated by five (or more) of the following: The idealization/devaluation dichotomy would explain his attitude towards both the Jedi and Padme. They're not perfect so they're worthless to him. Paranoia and inappropriate anger are also fairly obvious.
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Jervas Dudley posted:I think this is one spot where the Clone Wars CG cartoon helps a bit. I've only watched the first season so far, but it gave me the impression Anakin saw Palpatine as a father figure. Which Palpatine used to manipulate him. RotS made more sense that way, Anakin felt insulted by the Jedi and when forced chose Palpatine. Self mutilation is a core criteria though. It differentiates it from one of the other 3 listed in that section of the DSM-IV. Narcissistic Personality Disorder for instance. Or what if you have to look over at the schizophrenia section? DSM IV posted:NPD:
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