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Asterios
Apr 17, 2008

So long, Skorpex!

https://www.presidentbaby.com
I just picked up Unwritten #18 knowing nothing about the series, read it, and was absolutely blown away. I have no idea why that one guy wants to kill the other guy, or why they're all obsessed with Harry Potter, but the writing was so good that it really doesn't matter - it was just incredibly enjoyable.

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bairfanx
Jan 20, 2006

I look like this IRL,
but, you know,
more Greg Land-y.

Asterios posted:

I just picked up Unwritten #18 knowing nothing about the series, read it, and was absolutely blown away. I have no idea why that one guy wants to kill the other guy, or why they're all obsessed with Harry Potter, but the writing was so good that it really doesn't matter - it was just incredibly enjoyable.

So, you do realize that it's not actually Harry Potter, right?

Asterios
Apr 17, 2008

So long, Skorpex!

https://www.presidentbaby.com

bairfanx posted:

So, you do realize that it's not actually Harry Potter, right?

Yeah, I get that it's some kind of analogue.

UncleMonkey
Jan 11, 2005

We watched our friends grow up together
And we saw them as they fell
Some of them fell into Heaven
Some of them fell into Hell

Asterios posted:

I just picked up Unwritten #18 knowing nothing about the series, read it, and was absolutely blown away. I have no idea why that one guy wants to kill the other guy, or why they're all obsessed with Harry Potter, but the writing was so good that it really doesn't matter - it was just incredibly enjoyable.
I would really, really recommend catching up on the back issues before you continue. There's been a ton of build-up and plot development to this point; and you'll probably want to get caught up. First, the series is phenomenal-- you think #18 blew you away now? When taken within the context of the series up to this point, it's even better. Second, there's several themes and plot threads that you probably started to notice in #18 and that will continue to be important moving forward. You can probably grab the first two trades and then get whatever back issues remain to fill in the gap. And then continue on the monthlies with the rest of us addicts.

Trust me, it's so worth it.

Asterios
Apr 17, 2008

So long, Skorpex!

https://www.presidentbaby.com

UncleMonkey posted:

I would really, really recommend catching up on the back issues before you continue.

I'm totally going to. I got the sense that this was one of those incredibly important issues things were building to.

Len
Jan 21, 2008

Pouches, bandages, shoulderpad, cyber-eye...

Bitchin'!


UncleMonkey posted:

I would really, really recommend catching up on the back issues before you continue. There's been a ton of build-up and plot development to this point; and you'll probably want to get caught up. First, the series is phenomenal-- you think #18 blew you away now? When taken within the context of the series up to this point, it's even better. Second, there's several themes and plot threads that you probably started to notice in #18 and that will continue to be important moving forward. You can probably grab the first two trades and then get whatever back issues remain to fill in the gap. And then continue on the monthlies with the rest of us addicts.

Trust me, it's so worth it.

The biggest problem with this is having to wait a month for it to come out. (Related: I went and got the back issues from the end of volume 2 to now)

SkellingTon Loc
Oct 24, 2005

I was feelin' horny and ornery hornery
I know this is an old hat, but it kinda sucks that the different author runs on Hellblazer aren't numbered. I got The Gift not knowing that it was the last book on Mike Carey's run and I was hella confused. Still enjoyed it, though.

Asterios
Apr 17, 2008

So long, Skorpex!

https://www.presidentbaby.com

SkellingTon Loc posted:

I know this is an old hat, but it kinda sucks that the different author runs on Hellblazer aren't numbered. I got The Gift not knowing that it was the last book on Mike Carey's run and I was hella confused. Still enjoyed it, though.

I actually was just complaining about the same thing to a friend - I wanted to buy some hellblazer trades, had no idea where to start, and just didn't buy anything.

Bitchin Kitchen
Jun 2, 2006
Capital!

Asterios posted:

I actually was just complaining about the same thing to a friend - I wanted to buy some hellblazer trades, had no idea where to start, and just didn't buy anything.

I super, super hate to hear that, it's my favorite comic. My advice is to just do it by writer. Delano starts with Original Sin, it's the first run. Ennis starts with Dangerous Habits. Ellis, Haunted. Azzarello, Hard Time. Carey, Red Sepulcher. Mina, Empathy is the Enemy. Diggle, Joyride. Milligan, Scab.

Bitchin Kitchen fucked around with this message at 19:06 on Oct 19, 2010

Kuule hain nussivan
Nov 27, 2008

Bitchin Kitchen posted:

I super, super hate to hear that, it's my favorite comic. My advice is to just do it by writer. Delano starts with Original Sin, it's the first run. Ennis starts with Dangerous Habits. Ellis, Haunted. Azzarello, Hard Time. Carey, Red Sepulcher. Mina, Empathy is the Enemy. Diggle, Joyride. Milligan, Scab.
If someone is interested in getting the trades, do yourself a favour and skip Mina's run unless you absolutely want to own everything. It is horrible and drat near put me off of Hellblazer.

Bitchin Kitchen
Jun 2, 2006
Capital!

Kuule hain nussivan posted:

If someone is interested in getting the trades, do yourself a favour and skip Mina's run unless you absolutely want to own everything. It is horrible and drat near put me off of Hellblazer.

Haha, yeah, that too. Sorry, I was trying to be thorough. It is definitely the weakest run. I like the art a lot, though.

hermanos
Dec 30, 2005

Magoo said that the "bird's the word"
But the Fur Byrd Gang flip birds on curbs
Skip Diggle's too, honestly.

But hey, if you start with Milligan's, you'll be hip deep in some pretty good and current Hellblazer tales. I'm really digging his run.

Rhyno
Mar 22, 2003
Probation
Can't post for 10 years!

Kuule hain nussivan posted:

If someone is interested in getting the trades, do yourself a favour and skip Mina's run unless you absolutely want to own everything. It is horrible and drat near put me off of Hellblazer.

I bought Hellblazer monthly for 10 years and quit after Mina's second issue.

Kuule hain nussivan
Nov 27, 2008

hermanos posted:

Skip Diggle's too, honestly.

But hey, if you start with Milligan's, you'll be hip deep in some pretty good and current Hellblazer tales. I'm really digging his run.
Surely it can't be worse than Mina's? Haven't gotten around to reading all of it yet, but isn't it the one that starts with the story about the spirit of an old London river?

McGurk
Oct 20, 2004

Cuz life sucks, kids. Get it while you can.

Comixology just added the first few issues of Hellblazer to their app, first one is only 99 cents. I've never read it before, and have an iTunes giftcard to burn. Wish me luck!

Bitchin Kitchen
Jun 2, 2006
Capital!

Kuule hain nussivan posted:

Surely it can't be worse than Mina's? Haven't gotten around to reading all of it yet, but isn't it the one that starts with the story about the spirit of an old London river?

I kind of liked Diggle's a lot. It felt a little rushed by the end but the build up I thought was all awesome and it brought Camuncoli in on art for the first time. Really, if it wasn't for how hurried that last story arc felt I thought it was pretty drat good. I guess the problem with the book is that so many runs are, at least in my opinion, amazing, that anything that's just average seems pretty crappy in comparison.

UncleMonkey
Jan 11, 2005

We watched our friends grow up together
And we saw them as they fell
Some of them fell into Heaven
Some of them fell into Hell

hermanos posted:

Skip Diggle's too, honestly.

But hey, if you start with Milligan's, you'll be hip deep in some pretty good and current Hellblazer tales. I'm really digging his run.
Yeah, I'm really enjoying Milligan's run as well. He needs to bring back Julian at some point though. Julian is awesome.

bobkatt013
Oct 8, 2006

You’re telling me Peter Parker is ...... Spider-man!?

SkellingTon Loc posted:

I know this is an old hat, but it kinda sucks that the different author runs on Hellblazer aren't numbered. I got The Gift not knowing that it was the last book on Mike Carey's run and I was hella confused. Still enjoyed it, though.

I have a better question. Why aren't they finishing Delano's run? Why aren't the releasing the rest of Ennis's run? Where are the Jenkin trades? They really need to rerelease the out of print trades, one shots and fill ins that are not released like the Aaron New Castle story.

Pyros
Mar 24, 2003

The Leper Messiah
Mina's run was pretty bad, but Azzarello's Hard Time nearly put me off Hellblazer. It stripped Constantine down to "Badass who can use magic to do anything, anytime", which (to me) seemed like Azzarello really missed the point of his character.

bobkatt013
Oct 8, 2006

You’re telling me Peter Parker is ...... Spider-man!?

Pyros posted:

Mina's run was pretty bad, but Azzarello's Hard Time nearly put me off Hellblazer. It stripped Constantine down to "Badass who can use magic to do anything, anytime", which (to me) seemed like Azzarello really missed the point of his character.

Do not forget the Dog porn. You are suppose to have hosed up things happen but it just seemed that that was done just to be edgy.

Shameless
Dec 22, 2004

We're all so ugly and stupid and doomed.

bobkatt013 posted:

I have a better question. Why aren't they finishing Delano's run? Why aren't the releasing the rest of Ennis's run? Where are the Jenkin trades? They really need to rerelease the out of print trades, one shots and fill ins that are not released like the Aaron New Castle story.

Vertigo are starting to reprint Hellblazer from the beginning. I think the first trade's out early next year. Hopefully they'll carry them on at least through the Jenkins run.

AntiqueCowboy
Jul 31, 2005
Okay punk, listen up. I don't like your face. That's not a good thing.
Did anybody else read Unknown Soldier this week? It was the last issue of the series and Dystart gave it a reasonable ending (though it felt a little rushed). It was expected but the emotional impact was in no way lessened as a result. Dystart captured the fatalism of war in the ending sequences while simultaneously instilling a sense of hope for a "Beautiful World" (the name of the arc) that exists beyond it. I'm pretty sad to series go if you weren't reading it, I'd recommend picking up the trades.

UncleMonkey
Jan 11, 2005

We watched our friends grow up together
And we saw them as they fell
Some of them fell into Heaven
Some of them fell into Hell
Sweet Tooth was (yet again) really good this month. I really like the way in which this world is starting to open up and give you a sense of the bigger picture while still maintaining the intimacy of the character relationships. There were a few creepy to downright hosed-up moments.

Really interested to see where all of this goes. The whole prophesy/bible thing makes it seem that, in the short term at least, things are going to get really bad. That whole sequence, as well as the shared dream, gave me chills.

Not sure that I need to use spoilers but I am just to be on the safe side since there's not a ton of weekly talk in this thread on current titles and I don't want to accidentally spoil stuff for anyone.

Gassire
Dec 30, 2004

"They're people. Deeply flawed, yes, but deeply human too. And maybe that's saying the same thing."
I finally started picking up Scalped and I love it. I don't normally like the white hats in these kinds of stories but there's something about Falls Down that's just so awesome.

I just wish I could have read it like 5 year sago, when I see Bad Horse or Diesel talking about his Kickapoo heritage I get unrelated songs swimming in my head.

^burtle
Jul 17, 2001

God of Boomin'



Like those Indians, I'm an Indian too.

Ride The Gravitron
May 2, 2008

by FactsAreUseless
Congrats on getting on Scalped. I recently jumped on this book myself. I've caught my self up and it's a great read.

WHOOPS
Nov 6, 2009
Fables #100 is out today. Anyone picking it up?

JackDarko
Sep 30, 2009

"Amala, I've got a chainsaw on my arm. I'll be fine."
So how quickly do Vertigo trades usually get solicited? Just wondering for American Vampire since an arc just ended.

Shameless
Dec 22, 2004

We're all so ugly and stupid and doomed.

JackDarko posted:

So how quickly do Vertigo trades usually get solicited? Just wondering for American Vampire since an arc just ended.

Usually very, very quickly. Unless it's Seaguy volume 2. Which needs to come out soon!

JackDarko
Sep 30, 2009

"Amala, I've got a chainsaw on my arm. I'll be fine."

Shameless posted:

Usually very, very quickly. Unless it's Seaguy volume 2. Which needs to come out soon!
Thanks a lot mate. Im pretty confused when it comes to Seaguy first trade is out of print second one hasnt been solicited, I know its ment to be a three volume tale. You think they're holding out for a one collection type deal?

Shameless
Dec 22, 2004

We're all so ugly and stupid and doomed.

JackDarko posted:

Thanks a lot mate. Im pretty confused when it comes to Seaguy first trade is out of print second one hasnt been solicited, I know its ment to be a three volume tale. You think they're holding out for a one collection type deal?

Maybe, possibly, who knows? An Absolute or a Deluxe would be nice but I'd still have thought they'd release the trades seperately first.

savinhill
Mar 28, 2010
I read through this thread awhile back looking for something new to read and hearing Scalped compared to 100 Bullets(a favorite of mine), made me seek it out. I have to say all the praise it received in here is well deserved. Is there another series similar to those two?

I Am Fowl
Mar 8, 2008

nononononono

KFCB posted:

Fables #100 is out today. Anyone picking it up?

I did and...I was extremely disappointed. I'd rather not spoil it, but I got more entertainment out of its "Burning Questions" section than the actual story. The comic itself, the climax of the arc, lacked any of the charm the series has shown, or anything resembling suspense. Oddly enough, it felt rushed too. How do you rush the story when they've given you a hundred pages? By god, they found a way.

^burtle
Jul 17, 2001

God of Boomin'



Fables is notorious for being good until they have to resolve something and then it seems to fall flat. After 75 issues they finally decided to take down the Empire and somehow a giant war with an airship powered by flying carpets was boring as hell.

JackDarko
Sep 30, 2009

"Amala, I've got a chainsaw on my arm. I'll be fine."
Was anyone else underwhelmed by the weakness of the American Vampires? I mean it makes sense in a historical context, but I mean when they say that they have exhausted every single method experimenting trying to find a weakness, they really didn't try that?

Mister Roboto
Jun 15, 2009

I SWING BY AUNT MAY's
FOR A SHOWER AND A
BITE, MOST NATURAL
THING IN THE WORLD,
ASSUMING SHE'S
NOT HOME...

...AND I
FIND HER IN BED
WITH MY
FATHER, AND THE
TWO OF THEM
ARE...ARE...

...AAAAAAAAUUUUGH!
Fables 100 was Willingham running wild with ideas and writing himself into a corner. Like the rest of the series: Lots and lots and lots of buildup, weak climax.

I think it started with revealing the Adversary so offhandedly. That was neat, because it was a cool idea that the big evil Satanic world conqueror was a kindly (well...) old man. That anti-climax WORKED.

Then he got taken down by a Final Fantasy airship. :effort:

Then Jack of Fables had The Bookburner, the most dangerous villain as he could kill Fables when he gets access to libraries. Who was beaten not by Jack but by three new unheard of Gods/fables that were buried underneath the Golden Boughs the whole time. That was a terrible Deus Ex Machina.

The there was Kevin Thorn, the God of all Fables...who was beaten the same way Iceman has beaten Magneto 100 times. Not the Death of the Author, but by lots of ice. There's not even a clever deeper pun there, it's just sloppy writing. Woo.

Willingham needs a better editor to direct his tempo, because he's terrible at timing and pacing when it comes to climaxes.


Here's an actual review of the issue:



Willingham's portrayal of women is very scattershot. Sometimes he seems to really get what it's like being an adult woman in a man's world, and other times he comes across as a 14 year old who watched a lot of sitcoms.

Take Frau Totenkinder's full power appearance. Why does she have to be a lovely young woman to do this? If this were an X-men comic, sure, that's just typical undersexed comic book selling. But Frau's backstory even establishes her appearance isn't linked to her power. She didn't need to be young and pretty to take out Baba Yaga, she went full-dragon mode and reverted back to Old Woman when it was done. Yet here needs to be pretty, especially when she decides to just leave with her new husband? There's no indication she's out of magic, she just leaves to get married. She'd been built up as quite fond of the Fables, so it makes little sense she'd leave them to be killed by Dark.

I don't know what to feel about Miss Sprat's bitterness being revealed in a few pages. She's always been unpleasant, true, but why this moment that makes her snap? A bit more buildup in the preceding issues would be less jarring than Snow telling her to live with being The Fat Girl making her betray everyone.

I was glad Dullahan was NOT beaten. He has been in the background so much in the past 20 or so issues since his introduction that he feels like an X-men villain. Big introduction, scary for 10 issues, stabbed by Wolverine and the new arc starts. I think Willingham didn't actually know how to make him a credible threat, the same way Kevin Thorn was TOO powerful. Destroying Fabletown didn't really hurt them as they just relocated. It's like destroying the Fantastic Four building, it doesn't mean anything.

I was not impressed with this issue. The extras were boring, other than learning that Geppetto isn't beaten yet either.

:( Get better, Fables.



Mister Roboto fucked around with this message at 13:03 on Dec 11, 2010

moleman
Apr 26, 2003

Now the time has come to gather our forces and run.
My main Fables 'sperg is why wouldn't you take the "trapped in gold Dark Man" and put him in a box, and put that box into an even bigger box. It seems stupid to use the most dangerous creature ever as a decoration.

Bitchin Kitchen
Jun 2, 2006
Capital!
Just got the second trade for the Unwritten. I'm only an issue in, but man oh man, as an English major, I love this book so much.

^burtle
Jul 17, 2001

God of Boomin'



Finished the second Sweet Tooth trade, Lemire is such a great storyteller but gottdamn sometimes his art just transforms into pure ugly.

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Was Taters
Jul 30, 2004

Here comes a regular
The last two issues of Unwritten have really not worked for me. Fell asleep reading this month's, twice. Granted I'm a little tired due to finals in night school but still.

Hopefully it will pick up now that Tommy's falling into the texts.

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