HooKars posted:

I think I want to be unemployed again. Being a lawyer sucks.

Ainsley McTree posted:

I'm on IBR too and I don't know what I'd do without it. I owe them over $100,000 and Every now and then the DoE sends me a bill for $0.00 and that's that, they don't even bug me with phone calls

the access group on the other hand is a little more passionate about the $50,000 I owe them. Do not borrow private money. There's no need to do it and it's just dumb, borrow federal

I hope the republicans don't notice IBR when they're making budget cuts

Defleshed posted:

Did you see that opening at the ABA I posted about a while back come be a lawyer in a really chill environment in Chicago (also get IBR)

Feces Starship posted:

I'm confused - doesn't access group only issue federally backed loans?

HooKars posted:

I will probably try to stay here for a year, if only for the sheer fact that I have lived in five different states since March of 2009.

The work, honestly, should not be bad but it's like everybody gets together to make it as miserable as possible, with a ton of fake self-imposed deadlines, and there's not even any camaraderie in the suffering - everyone is just kind of a bitch/rear end in a top hat. I'm in the office from 8 am to around 11 pm everyday but I probably only bill 8 - 10 hours so it's not even like there's the benefit of having awesome hours. The rest of the time I just sit and wait, and often times, due to the nature of my practice area, nothing starts happening until 6 pm and then there is a sudden rush where everything must be edited and sent out THAT NIGHT (hence the nothingness again, the next day but of course, you still have to be there).

Sadly, 8 am - 11pm is not enough. My coworker and I were told yesterday we were leaving way too early and to stop asking "Is there anything else we can do?" at the end of the evening (10 pm - 11 pm) when we have nothing to do. Instead, we must now sit in our office, doing nothing, not billing time, until we are affirmatively told we may leave the office in case "something comes up." It's like we have a babysitter. Never mind the fact that we both live within a two minute walk to the office and could hop over if anything ever did come up. No, if one person has to suffer and stay late, the whole team has to wait around for him and suffer as well.

Also, my practice group apparently hates food. I think for every three late nights we have, we get dinner on the client once. Other than that it's pay for it yourself or live off the free pretzels the office has.

Yay for my job.

HooKars posted:

I will probably try to stay here for a year, if only for the sheer fact that I have lived in five different states since March of 2009.

The work, honestly, should not be bad but it's like everybody gets together to make it as miserable as possible, with a ton of fake self-imposed deadlines, and there's not even any camaraderie in the suffering - everyone is just kind of a bitch/rear end in a top hat. I'm in the office from 8 am to around 11 pm everyday but I probably only bill 8 - 10 hours so it's not even like there's the benefit of having awesome hours. The rest of the time I just sit and wait, and often times, due to the nature of my practice area, nothing starts happening until 6 pm and then there is a sudden rush where everything must be edited and sent out THAT NIGHT (hence the nothingness again, the next day but of course, you still have to be there).

Sadly, 8 am - 11pm is not enough. My coworker and I were told yesterday we were leaving way too early and to stop asking "Is there anything else we can do?" at the end of the evening (10 pm - 11 pm) when we have nothing to do. Instead, we must now sit in our office, doing nothing, not billing time, until we are affirmatively told we may leave the office in case "something comes up." It's like we have a babysitter. Never mind the fact that we both live within a two minute walk to the office and could hop over if anything ever did come up. No, if one person has to suffer and stay late, the whole team has to wait around for him and suffer as well.

Also, my practice group apparently hates food. I think for every three late nights we have, we get dinner on the client once. Other than that it's pay for it yourself or live off the free pretzels the office has.

Yay for my job.

HooKars posted:

I will probably try to stay here for a year, if only for the sheer fact that I have lived in five different states since March of 2009.

The work, honestly, should not be bad but it's like everybody gets together to make it as miserable as possible, with a ton of fake self-imposed deadlines, and there's not even any camaraderie in the suffering - everyone is just kind of a bitch/rear end in a top hat. I'm in the office from 8 am to around 11 pm everyday but I probably only bill 8 - 10 hours so it's not even like there's the benefit of having awesome hours. The rest of the time I just sit and wait, and often times, due to the nature of my practice area, nothing starts happening until 6 pm and then there is a sudden rush where everything must be edited and sent out THAT NIGHT (hence the nothingness again, the next day but of course, you still have to be there).

Sadly, 8 am - 11pm is not enough. My coworker and I were told yesterday we were leaving way too early and to stop asking "Is there anything else we can do?" at the end of the evening (10 pm - 11 pm) when we have nothing to do. Instead, we must now sit in our office, doing nothing, not billing time, until we are affirmatively told we may leave the office in case "something comes up." It's like we have a babysitter. Never mind the fact that we both live within a two minute walk to the office and could hop over if anything ever did come up. No, if one person has to suffer and stay late, the whole team has to wait around for him and suffer as well.

Also, my practice group apparently hates food. I think for every three late nights we have, we get dinner on the client once. Other than that it's pay for it yourself or live off the free pretzels the office has.

Yay for my job.

Soothing Vapors posted:

Jesus Christ HooKars I hope you're at least getting paid well

CaptainScrap posted:

Jesus Hook, that sucks. What practice area are you in?

HooKars posted:

I will probably try to stay here for a year, if only for the sheer fact that I have lived in five different states since March of 2009.

The work, honestly, should not be bad but it's like everybody gets together to make it as miserable as possible, with a ton of fake self-imposed deadlines, and there's not even any camaraderie in the suffering - everyone is just kind of a bitch/rear end in a top hat. I'm in the office from 8 am to around 11 pm everyday but I probably only bill 8 - 10 hours so it's not even like there's the benefit of having awesome hours. The rest of the time I just sit and wait, and often times, due to the nature of my practice area, nothing starts happening until 6 pm and then there is a sudden rush where everything must be edited and sent out THAT NIGHT (hence the nothingness again, the next day but of course, you still have to be there).

Sadly, 8 am - 11pm is not enough. My coworker and I were told yesterday we were leaving way too early and to stop asking "Is there anything else we can do?" at the end of the evening (10 pm - 11 pm) when we have nothing to do. Instead, we must now sit in our office, doing nothing, not billing time, until we are affirmatively told we may leave the office in case "something comes up." It's like we have a babysitter. Never mind the fact that we both live within a two minute walk to the office and could hop over if anything ever did come up. No, if one person has to suffer and stay late, the whole team has to wait around for him and suffer as well.

Also, my practice group apparently hates food. I think for every three late nights we have, we get dinner on the client once. Other than that it's pay for it yourself or live off the free pretzels the office has.

Yay for my job.

hypocrite lecteur posted:

I'm going to a place where the median temperature is like -30c and I may not be able to get high speed internet. Wanna trade jobs?

CaptainScraps posted:

Would my chances of getting hired elsewhere increase if I had my boss call those other firms for me, especially since this is a niche practice?

CaptainScraps posted:

Would my chances of getting hired elsewhere increase if I had my boss call those other firms for me, especially since this is a niche practice?

Colorblind Pilot posted:

My friend told me she's going do "international law" and is applying to law school next cycle. Can someone post a picture of the international law panda so I can send it to her? I can't seem to find it anywhere.

Roger_Mudd posted:

Depends on if your boss knows those folks. If he has a personal connection, I'm sure it couldn't hurt. If he doesn't know them, just get a recommendation letter.

Also don't sue me for legal malpractice, ever.

Colorblind Pilot posted:

My friend told me she's going do "international law" and is applying to law school next cycle. Can someone post a picture of the international law panda so I can send it to her? I can't seem to find it anywhere.

nm posted:

(Unless she's a URM at Yale, then she should go for it).

blar posted:

Is anyone here actually on IBR? It's 10 year forgiveness for non-profit/pubic and 25 years for private sector right?

HooKars posted:

Defleshed posted:

I'm on it, loving owns, end of story. My BA was paid by the GI Bill, so I borrowed only Stafford and Grad PLUS for law school and owe ~160k. My monthly payments are $270 on IBR. It is the best thing ever and if the Republicans cut it I will cut a Republican.


I couldn't even imagine a (non-military) job where I was at work 15 hours a day. That's not worth any amount of money to me. I would honestly rather be unemployed. I'm sorry HooKars!

CaptainScraps posted:

Or assets.

The Warszawa posted:

I'm a URM at Yale and everyone (profs, students, etc.) here says "If you want to do international human rights law you need to either not overspecialize your class selection so you look prepared to do other stuff or you better be prepared to be working on the defendants' side of international human rights law."

Napoleon I posted:

how much does human rights defense work pay?

Ainsley McTree posted:

Anyway Hookars your job sounds horrible but I guess it could be worse! At least they aren't literally trying to kill you, they're only being metaphorical about it

Napoleon I posted:

My dream job is mafia lawyer.

Abugadu posted:

For some reason my brain popped the phrase "Casa Gliere" as the official term for a mafia lawyer, but I can find no support for that whatsoever. It's probably a musical term. But I still recall there being some Italian term for it, maybe it got stuck in my head from a Puzo book. Anyone remember it?

Abugadu posted:

For some reason my brain popped the phrase "Casa Gliere" as the official term for a mafia lawyer, but I can find no support for that whatsoever. It's probably a musical term. But I still recall there being some Italian term for it, maybe it got stuck in my head from a Puzo book. Anyone remember it?

Abugadu posted:

For some reason my brain popped the phrase "Casa Gliere" as the official term for a mafia lawyer, but I can find no support for that whatsoever. It's probably a musical term. But I still recall there being some Italian term for it, maybe it got stuck in my head from a Puzo book. Anyone remember it?

Ainsley McTree posted:

Also is it at all like being a mob lawyer where eventually your clients try to kill you because you Know Too Much?

Also does that actually happen to mob lawyers or is it just a TV and movie thing? I remember a story from an appellate judge who used to do crim defense work and one of her clients was a jamaican gang who invited her to dinner once to celebrate a case but she turned it down because they (or some other gang, I don't remember) had just recently killed one of their accountants. Maybe that was the case they were celebrating, I dunno

Anyway Hookars your job sounds horrible but I guess it could be worse! At least they aren't literally trying to kill you, they're only being metaphorical about it

Kase Im Licht posted:

Coolest class I took in undergrad was "legal implications of the drug trade."

HooKars posted:

I will probably try to stay here for a year, if only for the sheer fact that I have lived in five different states since March of 2009.

The work, honestly, should not be bad but it's like everybody gets together to make it as miserable as possible, with a ton of fake self-imposed deadlines, and there's not even any camaraderie in the suffering - everyone is just kind of a bitch/rear end in a top hat. I'm in the office from 8 am to around 11 pm everyday but I probably only bill 8 - 10 hours so it's not even like there's the benefit of having awesome hours. The rest of the time I just sit and wait, and often times, due to the nature of my practice area, nothing starts happening until 6 pm and then there is a sudden rush where everything must be edited and sent out THAT NIGHT (hence the nothingness again, the next day but of course, you still have to be there).

Sadly, 8 am - 11pm is not enough. My coworker and I were told yesterday we were leaving way too early and to stop asking "Is there anything else we can do?" at the end of the evening (10 pm - 11 pm) when we have nothing to do. Instead, we must now sit in our office, doing nothing, not billing time, until we are affirmatively told we may leave the office in case "something comes up." It's like we have a babysitter. Never mind the fact that we both live within a two minute walk to the office and could hop over if anything ever did come up. No, if one person has to suffer and stay late, the whole team has to wait around for him and suffer as well.

Also, my practice group apparently hates food. I think for every three late nights we have, we get dinner on the client once. Other than that it's pay for it yourself or live off the free pretzels the office has.

Yay for my job.

Phil Moscowitz posted:

gently caress all you babbies with your federal only loans and IBR bullshit, how can you know the true misery of being a lawyer without the crush of non-dischargeable, $1300 monthly student loan payments hanging over your head and locking you in an alcoholic haze

Kase Im Licht posted:

Coolest class I took in undergrad was "legal implications of the drug trade." We had lots of interesting guest speakers (class was taught by a federal district court judge). One speaker was a lawyer for a Mexican drug cartel. He never said he was afraid of being killed by the cartel, at least not as long as he continued working for them. He said he tried quitting but they wouldn't let him.

One upside was that he could take vacations in Mexico in areas controlled by his cartel and he was treated like a king. However if he went to other parts of Mexico he'd be killed by rival cartels.