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HooKars posted:I think I want to be unemployed again. Being a lawyer sucks. Posts like this do a great service. While being unemployed sucks, they keep me from taking the LSAT again.
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Ainsley McTree posted:I'm on IBR too and I don't know what I'd do without it. I owe them over $100,000 and Every now and then the DoE sends me a bill for $0.00 and that's that, they don't even bug me with phone calls I'm confused - doesn't access group only issue federally backed loans?
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# ? Nov 13, 2010 19:38 |
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Defleshed posted:Did you see that opening at the ABA I posted about a while back come be a lawyer in a really chill environment in Chicago (also get IBR) I will probably try to stay here for a year, if only for the sheer fact that I have lived in five different states since March of 2009. The work, honestly, should not be bad but it's like everybody gets together to make it as miserable as possible, with a ton of fake self-imposed deadlines, and there's not even any camaraderie in the suffering - everyone is just kind of a bitch/rear end in a top hat. I'm in the office from 8 am to around 11 pm everyday but I probably only bill 8 - 10 hours so it's not even like there's the benefit of having awesome hours. The rest of the time I just sit and wait, and often times, due to the nature of my practice area, nothing starts happening until 6 pm and then there is a sudden rush where everything must be edited and sent out THAT NIGHT (hence the nothingness again, the next day but of course, you still have to be there). Sadly, 8 am - 11pm is not enough. My coworker and I were told yesterday we were leaving way too early and to stop asking "Is there anything else we can do?" at the end of the evening (10 pm - 11 pm) when we have nothing to do. Instead, we must now sit in our office, doing nothing, not billing time, until we are affirmatively told we may leave the office in case "something comes up." It's like we have a babysitter. Never mind the fact that we both live within a two minute walk to the office and could hop over if anything ever did come up. No, if one person has to suffer and stay late, the whole team has to wait around for him and suffer as well. Also, my practice group apparently hates food. I think for every three late nights we have, we get dinner on the client once. Other than that it's pay for it yourself or live off the free pretzels the office has. Yay for my job.
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# ? Nov 13, 2010 19:43 |
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Feces Starship posted:I'm confused - doesn't access group only issue federally backed loans? They had private loans too but they stopped doing them at some point while I was in law school - I switched to federal Grad Plus loans afterwards (which do qualify for IBR and I could and should have been using from the beginning) presumably because they were never getting their money back for some reason
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# ? Nov 13, 2010 19:51 |
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gently caress all you babbies with your federal only loans and IBR bullshit, how can you know the true misery of being a lawyer without the crush of non-dischargeable, $1300 monthly student loan payments hanging over your head and locking you in an alcoholic haze
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# ? Nov 13, 2010 20:06 |
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HooKars posted:I will probably try to stay here for a year, if only for the sheer fact that I have lived in five different states since March of 2009. You have what we old grizzled lawyers call a "bad job."
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# ? Nov 13, 2010 21:17 |
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HooKars posted:I will probably try to stay here for a year, if only for the sheer fact that I have lived in five different states since March of 2009.
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# ? Nov 13, 2010 23:36 |
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HooKars posted:I will probably try to stay here for a year, if only for the sheer fact that I have lived in five different states since March of 2009. Jesus Hook, that sucks. What practice area are you in?
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# ? Nov 13, 2010 23:36 |
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Soothing Vapors posted:Jesus Christ HooKars I hope you're at least getting paid well I wish My coworker and I are just staff attorneys so we make $100k, but we're considered "associates" vs. "staff attorneys" to the outside world so hopefully when I get the hell out, I can lateral into a normal paying associate job. Luckily, either due to competence or cuteness, the guy in charge (not even a partner - just of counsel) doesn't hate me and I just get abused hours-wise. My co-worker gets verbally torn into and abused on a daily basis. He totally keeps me sane so I hope he never gets fed up with it and quits even though I probably would if I were him. CaptainScrap posted:Jesus Hook, that sucks. What practice area are you in? It's a small obscure subpractice in the Business & Finance department. I can't believe once upon a time I checked "Litigation" on my preference list and now I'm doing this stuff. Edit: They're totally hiring mid-levels in my department if anyone wants to join me! HooKars fucked around with this message at 23:46 on Nov 13, 2010 |
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Ugh, that sucks Hook. Ok, question for the thread. My job's likely going to come to an end soon. My boss does PI work and legal malpractice. There are 3 clerks including myself. Two of the clerks do car wrecks. I work the difficult cases, doing mainly legal malpractice. Well, all of my cases are set to settle next week. We have no new legal malpractice cases in the stable. There are two other legal mal firms in the city. Would my chances of getting hired elsewhere increase if I had my boss call those other firms for me, especially since this is a niche practice?
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# ? Nov 13, 2010 23:47 |
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HooKars posted:I will probably try to stay here for a year, if only for the sheer fact that I have lived in five different states since March of 2009. I'm going to a place where the median temperature is like -30c and I may not be able to get high speed internet. Wanna trade jobs?
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# ? Nov 14, 2010 01:19 |
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hypocrite lecteur posted:I'm going to a place where the median temperature is like -30c and I may not be able to get high speed internet. Wanna trade jobs? Has anyone told you barrow is dry?
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# ? Nov 14, 2010 01:46 |
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CaptainScraps posted:
Yes, as long as the other practictioners in your niche don't think your boss is a dipshit.
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CaptainScraps posted:Would my chances of getting hired elsewhere increase if I had my boss call those other firms for me, especially since this is a niche practice? Depends on if your boss knows those folks. If he has a personal connection, I'm sure it couldn't hurt. If he doesn't know them, just get a recommendation letter. Also don't sue me for legal malpractice, ever.
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# ? Nov 14, 2010 04:59 |
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My friend told me she's going do "international law" and is applying to law school next cycle. Can someone post a picture of the international law panda so I can send it to her? I can't seem to find it anywhere.
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# ? Nov 14, 2010 05:00 |
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Colorblind Pilot posted:My friend told me she's going do "international law" and is applying to law school next cycle. Can someone post a picture of the international law panda so I can send it to her? I can't seem to find it anywhere. (Unless she's a URM at Yale, then she should go for it). Instead, she should do this: http://careers.state.gov/officer/testinfo.html
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# ? Nov 14, 2010 05:06 |
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Roger_Mudd posted:Depends on if your boss knows those folks. If he has a personal connection, I'm sure it couldn't hurt. If he doesn't know them, just get a recommendation letter. Eh, they know of him most likely. I won't, if you don't gently caress up. Or don't have insurance. Or assets.
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Colorblind Pilot posted:My friend told me she's going do "international law" and is applying to law school next cycle. Can someone post a picture of the international law panda so I can send it to her? I can't seem to find it anywhere. nm posted:(Unless she's a URM at Yale, then she should go for it). I'm a URM at Yale and everyone (profs, students, etc.) here says "If you want to do international human rights law you need to either not overspecialize your class selection so you look prepared to do other stuff or you better be prepared to be working on the defendants' side of international human rights law."
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# ? Nov 14, 2010 05:28 |
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blar posted:Is anyone here actually on IBR? It's 10 year forgiveness for non-profit/pubic and 25 years for private sector right? I'm on it, loving owns, end of story. My BA was paid by the GI Bill, so I borrowed only Stafford and Grad PLUS for law school and owe ~160k. My monthly payments are $270 on IBR. It is the best thing ever and if the Republicans cut it I will cut a Republican. HooKars posted:I couldn't even imagine a (non-military) job where I was at work 15 hours a day. That's not worth any amount of money to me. I would honestly rather be unemployed. I'm sorry HooKars! Defleshed fucked around with this message at 15:17 on Nov 14, 2010 |
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Defleshed posted:I'm on it, loving owns, end of story. My BA was paid by the GI Bill, so I borrowed only Stafford and Grad PLUS for law school and owe ~160k. My monthly payments are $270 on IBR. It is the best thing ever and if the Republicans cut it I will cut a Republican. The bill that created IBR was passed with pretty far-ranging bipartisan support, even though it didn't have any Republican cosponsors (about 30 Democrats though). 273-149 in the House, 78-18(!) in the Senate, signed by Bush in 2007. I doubt it's going anywhere. IBR owns.
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# ? Nov 14, 2010 16:30 |
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CaptainScraps posted:Or assets. Perfect!
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The Warszawa posted:I'm a URM at Yale and everyone (profs, students, etc.) here says "If you want to do international human rights law you need to either not overspecialize your class selection so you look prepared to do other stuff or you better be prepared to be working on the defendants' side of international human rights law." Yeah, here at Northwestern we do a IHR conference every year, and I'm helping prepare a brief on some of the Yugoslavia court things - so for some context here, that means being the defense attorney for people on trial for (in my cases) locking up about 100 people in a house, setting it on fire and shooting people trying to escape; regularly lining up 10 - 15 along a river and shooting them into it; and just generally good touchy-feely stuff. So some context about what human rights defense work entails.
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# ? Nov 14, 2010 23:23 |
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how much does human rights defense work pay?
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# ? Nov 15, 2010 01:21 |
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Napoleon I posted:how much does human rights defense work pay? Also is it at all like being a mob lawyer where eventually your clients try to kill you because you Know Too Much? Also does that actually happen to mob lawyers or is it just a TV and movie thing? I remember a story from an appellate judge who used to do crim defense work and one of her clients was a jamaican gang who invited her to dinner once to celebrate a case but she turned it down because they (or some other gang, I don't remember) had just recently killed one of their accountants. Maybe that was the case they were celebrating, I dunno Anyway Hookars your job sounds horrible but I guess it could be worse! At least they aren't literally trying to kill you, they're only being metaphorical about it
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# ? Nov 15, 2010 01:33 |
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Ainsley McTree posted:Anyway Hookars your job sounds horrible but I guess it could be worse! At least they aren't literally trying to kill you, they're only being metaphorical about it Well, they are literally trying to kill Hookars, they're just doing it a bit more indirectly and with the hope of extracting some good billables beforehand.
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# ? Nov 15, 2010 01:40 |
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Also are gangs protected by the corporate veil?
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# ? Nov 15, 2010 01:42 |
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My dream job is mafia lawyer.
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# ? Nov 15, 2010 01:59 |
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I know little about law or lawyers, but I do enjoy Bill Handel's radio program "Handel on the Law." Podcast available via itunes if you're interested. What do you guys think of his advice? I like his show, but was wondering about the accuracy of it. After reading the first few posts of the thread, the attitude seems correct. Apologies if you guys have covered Handel. Don't sue me.
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# ? Nov 15, 2010 02:51 |
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Napoleon I posted:My dream job is mafia lawyer. For some reason my brain popped the phrase "Casa Gliere" as the official term for a mafia lawyer, but I can find no support for that whatsoever. It's probably a musical term. But I still recall there being some Italian term for it, maybe it got stuck in my head from a Puzo book. Anyone remember it?
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Abugadu posted:For some reason my brain popped the phrase "Casa Gliere" as the official term for a mafia lawyer, but I can find no support for that whatsoever. It's probably a musical term. But I still recall there being some Italian term for it, maybe it got stuck in my head from a Puzo book. Anyone remember it? Consigliere
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Abugadu posted:For some reason my brain popped the phrase "Casa Gliere" as the official term for a mafia lawyer, but I can find no support for that whatsoever. It's probably a musical term. But I still recall there being some Italian term for it, maybe it got stuck in my head from a Puzo book. Anyone remember it? Consigliere. Gliere was a composer who made a very nice French horn concerto.
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Abugadu posted:For some reason my brain popped the phrase "Casa Gliere" as the official term for a mafia lawyer, but I can find no support for that whatsoever. It's probably a musical term. But I still recall there being some Italian term for it, maybe it got stuck in my head from a Puzo book. Anyone remember it? lmbo waffle goo!
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# ? Nov 15, 2010 03:23 |
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My fried brain thanks you.
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Ainsley McTree posted:Also is it at all like being a mob lawyer where eventually your clients try to kill you because you Know Too Much? One upside was that he could take vacations in Mexico in areas controlled by his cartel and he was treated like a king. However if he went to other parts of Mexico he'd be killed by rival cartels.
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Kase Im Licht posted:Coolest class I took in undergrad was "legal implications of the drug trade." I don't suppose you'd be able to suggest any reading on this? I'm considering trying my hand on writing about the legal structure of criminal enterprise for the final paper in one of my courses this year
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# ? Nov 15, 2010 06:47 |
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HooKars posted:I will probably try to stay here for a year, if only for the sheer fact that I have lived in five different states since March of 2009. I can't thank The Internet enough for keeping me out of law school. This is such a depressing existence.
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# ? Nov 15, 2010 08:15 |
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Phil Moscowitz posted:gently caress all you babbies with your federal only loans and IBR bullshit, how can you know the true misery of being a lawyer without the crush of non-dischargeable, $1300 monthly student loan payments hanging over your head and locking you in an alcoholic haze anyone with student loan payments under $2k a month is a smart person who read this thread and didn't go to law school (or who wasn't a loving idiot and hypothetically applied late and paid for a private law school when the school would have paid for most of it but was out of cash) I would stab an infinite number of people if it would let me convert private loans to federal
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# ? Nov 15, 2010 08:40 |
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Kase Im Licht posted:Coolest class I took in undergrad was "legal implications of the drug trade." We had lots of interesting guest speakers (class was taught by a federal district court judge). One speaker was a lawyer for a Mexican drug cartel. He never said he was afraid of being killed by the cartel, at least not as long as he continued working for them. He said he tried quitting but they wouldn't let him. Hey uh, I took that class too.
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I thank my lucky stars every day for only needing to take out Stafford loans.
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