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I seriously cannot believe that people are saying Kanye is a black supremacist because he told some white people his music was better. He also said Eminem was the hottest MC number 1 and forever so what does that say? I'll tell you- it's not about black and white, he says loving dumb poo poo no matter what the race. It's just that he's on top of hip hop at the moment so there is no need to talk poo poo to that genre. So he's left with talking poo poo about other things. Other things are dominated by white people. Case closed.
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I was thinking about this today. Not just Grammies, race poo poo, or anything in particular but just how hard Kanye cares about what he is doing to the point where he loses it because reality does not match his idealist vision. Awards shows are cynical and don't represent the best music or art or workmanship of that time period as much as Kanye believes they should. We aren't used to POP stars in our era actually believing in what they do to the extent Kanye does, and most people kind of don't want to get used to it and get all kinds of flustered when he makes bold statements either with words directly or with artistic decisions or whatever. edit: what i guess I'm saying is I understand when he tries to explain that his comments about GWB or Taylor Swift were coming from a positive place and he didnt mean to hurt anyone because he really seems to not be ironic or cynical or backhanded about anything he does. It's pretty much all genuine, even when he talks about excesses and does the whole Kanye ego thing that everybody loving HATES. teacup posted:I seriously cannot believe that people are saying Kanye is a black supremacist because he told some white people his music was better. This. Also, "reverse racism." 
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Nov 15, 2010 01:20
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cardedagain posted:Second off: Paul's white. another white person. Kanye publicly talks poo poo to white people more than any other race. case closed. There are proportionally several times more white people in the music industry, particularly when dealing with things like grammies, so this would be entirely expected?
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Nov 15, 2010 03:50
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Let's get off the race nonsense. The album is good and growing on me, but how can anybody say this is album of the year, or even decade (which is just silly) when Big Boi freakin killed it earlier in the year. Hip Hop fans have such short term memory sometimes (unless y'all just didn't like it, but that just doesn't seem possible).
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Nov 15, 2010 05:48
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I've talked so much trash about both Kanye and Jay-Z in the last couple of years, but i'm listening to So Appalled and a couple of other of the tracks from this album and i've never been so pleased to be proven wrong in my life, they've both been absolutely killing it lately and I'm really excited for this to be released from what i've heard so far.
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Nov 15, 2010 05:57
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zandert33 posted:Let's get off the race nonsense. It's almost like different people have different tastes. But I agree (sort of). Big Boi's album was beastly. I'll have to give it time before I decide which one I like better.
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Nov 15, 2010 06:40
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MC Eating Disorder posted:I've talked so much trash about both Kanye and Jay-Z in the last couple of years, but i'm listening to So Appalled and a couple of other of the tracks from this album and i've never been so pleased to be proven wrong in my life, they've both been absolutely killing it lately and I'm really excited for this to be released from what i've heard so far. So Appalled is the best track released this year from anyone doing anything, end of story.
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Nov 15, 2010 06:58
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So Appalled and Runaway are sick nasty and I still think Power has the most raw beat UH ALL TIME
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Nov 15, 2010 09:46
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I'm a bit confused - what is GOOD Friday? Is it another album coming out? Are these tracks he's still releasing going on a new album or..? And what's this Watch the Throne thing?
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Nov 15, 2010 10:32
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I was worried this album was gonna end up bloated and overblown... it is, but that's pretty much what makes it awesome. (Jay-Z's verse on Monster is really awful  )
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Nov 15, 2010 11:32
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nationalista posted:(Jay-Z's verse on Monster is really awful Is this a joke
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Nov 15, 2010 11:37
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zandert33 posted:Let's get off the race nonsense. Well said man, I was blown away by Big Boi's album and I've loved Outkast forever and prefer him to Andre, but everything on that album, production, his flows, subject matter was amazing. Then a month goes by and people start that ridiculous hip-hop is dead poo poo. Race nonsense and Something Awful, always a bad combination.
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teacup posted:Is this a joke I really didn't need to know that his achilles heel was "love"
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Nov 15, 2010 13:00
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NicelyNice posted:I really didn't need to know that his achilles heel was "love" Well, it's more that he can't get enough of it.
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NicelyNice posted:I really didn't need to know that his achilles heel was "love" But he doesn't get enough of it. Edit: drat! Beaten like Kanye's fictional baby mama Sulphuric Sundae fucked around with this message at 13:51 on Nov 15, 2010 |
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Nov 15, 2010 13:48
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NicelyNice posted:I really didn't need to know that his achilles heel was "love" "Luuuhhhhhhvvve"
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zandert33 posted:The album is good and growing on me, but how can anybody say this is album of the year, or even decade (which is just silly) when Big Boi freakin killed it earlier in the year. Hip Hop fans have such short term memory sometimes (unless y'all just didn't like it, but that just doesn't seem possible). I enjoyed Big Boi's album, but it's just not that memorable of an album. stratdax posted:I'm a bit confused - what is GOOD Friday? Is it another album coming out? Are these tracks he's still releasing going on a new album or..? And what's this Watch the Throne thing? G.O.O.D. Friday is more like a mixtape than an album. He releases a new track every Friday @ http://www.kanyewest.com/ and he'll probably never release a full album with all of them because it's a whole lot of samples he would have to get cleared. Watch the Throne is his new collaboration album with Jay-Z, which will probably be out Q1-ish next year. e: Apparently Kanye actually brought a ballerina on stage with him when he performed in Abu Dhabi 
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Nov 15, 2010 14:02
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I have only given the album two full playthroughs, and whilst I enjoy it, it seriously sounds like this was mastered by homeless children pulled off of the streets or some poo poo. I've listened to it at v0 and vbr encodes and tracks like monster just sound so loving irritating. It actually gets me a little angry, because I know it shouldn't sound so tacky, there's no good reason for it. Is it just me? Please don't tell me I've just gone insane.
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Dick Danger posted:I have only given the album two full playthroughs, and whilst I enjoy it, it seriously sounds like this was mastered by homeless children pulled off of the streets or some poo poo. I've listened to it at v0 and vbr encodes and tracks like monster just sound so loving irritating. It actually gets me a little angry, because I know it shouldn't sound so tacky, there's no good reason for it. Is THIS a troll? The production is second-to-none.. I'm in love with this album and I've never dug Kanye much before. Been looping this and the new Cudi for a few days now.
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Nov 15, 2010 16:00
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nationalista posted:I was worried this album was gonna end up bloated and overblown... it is, but that's pretty much what makes it awesome. Automata 10 Pack fucked around with this message at 16:17 on Nov 15, 2010 |
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Nov 15, 2010 16:06
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Jay has been phoning it in for a while now which is too bad because I like him too. I can't compare Kanye and Big Boi because they are just real different. Depending on mood I'll play one of them or The Roots. That is what is so drat great about hip-hop is that it is so varied and there is something to play for every day and mood. I have an album of all the music he sampled a couple years ago and it introduced me to some artiest I never heard of before. This is why hip-hop will never die, it adapted to the times, it appeals to many rich poor black white Asian Arab it is international. Right now I can turn to the French MTV and hear from hip-hop, same for my German and Turkish channels. A Dutch rapper Brainpower did a duet with Nas and I love it.
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Dick Danger posted:I have only given the album two full playthroughs, and whilst I enjoy it, it seriously sounds like this was mastered by homeless children pulled off of the streets or some poo poo. I've listened to it at v0 and vbr encodes and tracks like monster just sound so loving irritating. It actually gets me a little angry, because I know it shouldn't sound so tacky, there's no good reason for it. People like you shouldn't listen to music.
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What's the sample at the beginning of Runaway saying, or where it's from? I thought it was "LOOK AT YA" but a lot of people are saying it's "WHO GOT YA". Doesn't really matter at all but it was on my mind. edit - yeah, that's the first time I've ever seen anyone say that this album was mastered badly. I've read 100s of comments saying that even if they didn't like the music, they thought it was mastered very well. Final Fart Buttball fucked around with this message at 17:42 on Nov 15, 2010 |
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Nov 15, 2010 17:39
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Mutation posted:Yeah, Jay-Z's verse on Monster really keeps the song from being legendary. Same thing with his verse on "So Appalled." Both verses seem to be a mix of really tried rap themes and taking the topic of the song too literal, with no creative word play. It really sticks out in Monster. Do you fools listen to music or do you skim through it?
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Dick Danger posted:I have only given the album two full playthroughs, and whilst I enjoy it, it seriously sounds like this was mastered by homeless children pulled off of the streets or some poo poo. I've listened to it at v0 and vbr encodes and tracks like monster just sound so loving irritating. It actually gets me a little angry, because I know it shouldn't sound so tacky, there's no good reason for it. Then you must really hate The Black Keys.
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Final Fart Buttball posted:What's the sample at the beginning of Runaway saying, or where it's from? I thought it was "LOOK AT YA" but a lot of people are saying it's "WHO GOT YA". Doesn't really matter at all but it was on my mind. It's LOOK AT CHA I'm pretty sure. It's from Rick James' performance of "Mary Jane" off of his live album (DVD? I dunno what it is) "Live in Long Beach" I'm pretty sure. e: Yep, found it on Youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bTChzv6UPEI&feature=player_embedded#t=03m08s Brett824 fucked around with this message at 19:48 on Nov 15, 2010 |
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GET MONEY posted:
Haha perfect time to drop that well done. And Brett great job in this thread man, very informative stuff you stay on top of everything.
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Nov 15, 2010 21:15
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Mutation posted:Both songs have been on heavy rotation for me since they were on Good Friday and Jay Z is weak in both of them. On Monster, he's silly. On So Appalled, he's cliche'd. I totally didn't even notice Jay-Z was weak on Monster because I loving love that track. Minaj is insane.
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drat I think Jay slays it with both verses, on Monster though he's just eclipsed by Nicki's amazing verse. But this is some awesome stuff from Jay especially after Blueprint 3 which I hated.
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I feel like I hear a lot of people saying they don't like Nicki Minaj except when they hear her verse on Monster and that song she did with Eminem or whatever else. It's like maybe you do like her then?
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I don't like Jay's Monster verse either. Especially the beginning where he lists off a bunch of literal famous monsters, then says "what do these have in common-EVERYBODY KNOWS I'M A MUTHAFUCKIN MONSTA" that makes NO SENSE GODDAMNIT. I like his delivery on So Appalled a lot though.
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So who plays the guitar on Devil in a New Dress? It's fantastic.
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Mutation posted:So who plays the guitar on Devil in a New Dress? It's fantastic. 95% chance it's Mike Dean.
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Mutation posted:So who plays the guitar on Devil in a New Dress? It's fantastic. Lil' Wayne (joking)
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Okay guys call me crazy but I think Rick Ross' verse on DIAND is actually one of the best features on the album. Firstly, his voice obviously works really well with the beat and feel of the end of the song, but more importantly the way he juxtaposes these images of fame and excess (his "Devil in a New Dress") with images of his isolation and desperation is just brilliant.quote:Cherry red chariot I don't know if I'm being crazy here but after listening closely it's so well done. Brett824 fucked around with this message at 02:50 on Nov 16, 2010 |
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Nov 16, 2010 02:48
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Rick Ross has been getting better with every album he's released. I'm glad that Kanye put this feature on. It definitely added to what was already a good song. Don't think you're crazy. Ross is the real deal. Aside from all that Officer Ricky poo poo.
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Rick Ross started being great once he changed his voice, made enough money to hire the best ghostwriters, and decided to go full-on symphonic for his production. I'm not hating, I think Deeper Than Rap is one of the most overlooked albums from the previous decade. The first half, at least.
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SkandalousPanda posted:Rick Ross has been getting better with every album he's released. I'm glad that Kanye put this feature on. It definitely added to what was already a good song. Don't think you're crazy. Ross is the real deal. Aside from all that Officer Ricky poo poo. Man, the beats Rozay's on he was almost tailor made for. "Devil in a New Dress", forget about it. -- However, I've never vibed with an entire Kanye album. I think there are a few standout tracks on this album, most notably "So Appalled" (the swizzy beat is redonculous), but I don't think this album is classic. Kanye's flow is better than it's ever been ("Gorgeous"  ), and a few of the beats are good, but I don't call this classic. I do think the production isn't perfect. It's too loud or something else. I don't like how they did this. So, overall, I'd give this album an average rating. It certainly, to my mind, does not deserve anywhere near the accolades it's been getting. I think the album is dark, overly so, and I don't think "Runaway" is a banger. It's lethargic with amateurish singing; I might not turn it if it pops up on the radio, but half of the reason for that is the intrigue the internet builds on his music, and I don't think he has the best stuff. I expect to see better releases from other mainstream rappers. Heard fucked around with this message at 03:44 on Nov 16, 2010 |
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Heard posted:I think the album is dark, overly so My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy.
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