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Lamech posted:I know little about law or lawyers, but I do enjoy Bill Handel's radio program "Handel on the Law." Podcast available via itunes if you're interested. I have heard a couple of his broadcasts, and found him to be amusing, mostly because he insults the callers so much. He also told about 90% of the callers that a lawsuit was more expensive than it was worth, which is usually pretty true.
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Solomon Grundy posted:I have heard a couple of his broadcasts, and found him to be amusing, mostly because he insults the callers so much. He also told about 90% of the callers that a lawsuit was more expensive than it was worth, which is usually pretty true. You'll probably like him a lot more when I tell you that his brother Mark Handel's stage name is Khan Tusion. Yep, the Meatholes.com guy.
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HooKars posted:The rest of the time I just sit and wait, and often times, due to the nature of my practice area, nothing starts happening until 6 pm and then there is a sudden rush where everything must be edited and sent out THAT NIGHT (hence the nothingness again, the next day but of course, you still have to be there).
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Nov 15, 2010 17:32
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gvibes posted:I was under the impression that my corporate/finance friends bill for their time spent waiting for a document to be turned over or what have you. Are you certain you aren't supposed to be billing this time? In corporate law where your clients are big enough to be used to large bills, you can bill for practically anything, it's just a question of what shade of gray you draw your line on. If you bill 100% ethically, you wind up in Hookars' situation. If you don't and are smart enough not to overbill in situations that get you caught by senior partners who have to write down your time, everyone loves you. If you are a pre-law major who cares about the implications of this statement you probably shouldn't go to law school.
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Nov 15, 2010 18:19
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Crazy clients only ever call right before quitting time on Friday, or first thing on Monday. Today: "How can he have a warrant for his arrest if he was never arrested before??" loving investigations, how do they work?
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Nov 15, 2010 20:35
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Adar posted:In corporate law where your clients are big enough to be used to large bills, you can bill for practically anything, it's just a question of what shade of gray you draw your line on. At least among the folks I know the commonly accepted practice is to bill after a certain time. If it's during business hours the expectation is that you would be in the office anyway so you don't get to bill for that time. If it's after whatever time you would otherwise have gone home then you can bill for it. HooKars's situation sucks but is not atypical. After the market closes/close of business everyone sends work out to the lawyers who then turn everything that night. This is a dumb way of giving your lawyers work and if, as an associate, you have a good partner they will manage the client so that this happens less frequently. Or they will manage you so that you aren't stuck with a bunch of work to do all night and nothing during the day. This is a big reason why transactional attorneys in NY come in at 10 (or later).
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builds character posted:At least among the folks I know the commonly accepted practice is to bill after a certain time. If it's during business hours the expectation is that you would be in the office anyway so you don't get to bill for that time. How the hell does that work? Maybe if the client is paying a lump-sum per month/period I could see it.
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found a jerb... in finance don't go to law school, not worth it fougera fucked around with this message at 00:22 on Nov 16, 2010 |
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Nov 16, 2010 00:20
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HooKars posted:I will probably try to stay here for a year, if only for the sheer fact that I have lived in five different states since March of 2009. Wow, that sounds incredibly frustrating! And how dare you take actual initiative and try to find work to do. Yikes. Law firms suck.
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Nov 16, 2010 03:22
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I would post my job situation but all the tears would be too sweet and I might drown.
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Nov 16, 2010 03:55
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For starters here is the firm liquor cabinet.
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Nov 16, 2010 03:57
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What's that? Blantons gives you gas? Luckily we have EArly times as well. elp yourslef.
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Nov 16, 2010 03:58
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Phil Moscowitz posted:What's that? Blantons gives you gas? Luckily we have EArly times as well. elp yourslef. Please toss out the Bacardi and for a few more bucks (like 6) shell out for the Zapata Centenario. Post script: still awesome.
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Nov 16, 2010 03:59
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I'll suggest it at the next litigation meeting.
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Nov 16, 2010 04:01
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What Captain Scrapps said. I found the firm rum. It's Captain Morgan and it's stored in the cabinet with the cleaning supplies, right by the Windex (an apropos placing if there ever was one). I want to say something but on the other hand I don't want to be too bitchy this early in my employment. I think the best plan is to use it to clean the conference room windows then take it upon myself to run to Liquor Barn on the firm's behalf.
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Nov 16, 2010 04:40
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gvibes posted:I was under the impression that my corporate/finance friends bill for their time spent waiting for a document to be turned over or what have you. Are you certain you aren't supposed to be billing this time? I'm in a smaller practice group where the bills are watched. There's some leeway but I can't turn my 10 hours of real billable time into the 16 hours of time I was actually in the office tonight (the last two of which I did absolutely nothing. At least I have bar studying that can get done while I sit around and wait). Builds Character posted:This is a big reason why transactional attorneys in NY come in at 10 (or later). The 10 am start time in NYC made this all so much bearable. You could actually still go out (or drink alone) and be totally functional or at least relax until 2 am and still get plenty of sleep. Having to be by in 8 am after getting out so late, this job actually drives me to NOT drink... which is really impressive.
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Nov 16, 2010 06:20
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Phil Moscowitz is a Mad Man
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Nov 16, 2010 06:34
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HooKars posted:this job actually drives me to NOT drink...
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Nov 16, 2010 06:41
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Phil Moscowitz posted:For starters here is the firm liquor cabinet. i.e. the cabinet under the sink in the bathroom you share with the failing real estate agent, the startup collection agency, and the mafia-owned "consulting firm".
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Nov 16, 2010 13:42
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Defleshed posted:i.e. the cabinet under the sink in the bathroom you share with the failing real estate agent, the startup collection agency, and the mafia-owned "consulting firm". I don't think that cabinet even has doors. It's like they're actively trying NOT to hide it. I like that firm.
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Nov 16, 2010 14:18
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Job interview in a couple hours. Name partner is currently the subject of a reasonably high-profile disciplinary investigation. Do I bring it up? (I won't be interviewing with him)
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Nov 16, 2010 14:27
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tau posted:I don't think that cabinet even has doors. It's like they're actively trying NOT to hide it. New Orleans
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Nov 16, 2010 14:30
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CmdrSmirnoff posted:Job interview in a couple hours. Name partner is currently the subject of a reasonably high-profile disciplinary investigation. Do I bring it up? (I won't be interviewing with him) I had an interview for an internship with a firm like that and I think his first question was a kind of moody "tell us what you know about our firm" which technically isn't a question but at any rate I didn't bring up the fact that one of the partners was involved in...some kind of suit, I don't remember what now. I didn't get the job but I knew the person who did and she didn't even know about it, much less bring it up. So my advice to you is to undo your research into the firm until you forget you knew about it
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CmdrSmirnoff posted:Job interview in a couple hours. Name partner is currently the subject of a reasonably high-profile disciplinary investigation. Do I bring it up? (I won't be interviewing with him) If you bring it up you deserve to die homeless and alone* *unless you've already hosed up the interview so badly you've nothing to lose, in which case you may as well go for the reality show gold standard and attempt to become memorable
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Nov 16, 2010 15:54
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Roger_Mudd posted:How the hell does that work? Maybe if the client is paying a lump-sum per month/period I could see it. I think it's a holdover from going to the printer. When you went to the printers everyone would go and you'd all make changes to the disclosure and then waited for the printer to run another copy while you drank their ridiculous liquor, ate whatever food you wanted and played on their water slide. Then you reviewed the new copy and commented on the new copy, repeat ad nauseum until you were done. You still billed for the time you were at the printer. Now lots of disclosure is purely electronic and for public disclosure you still don't actually go to the printer they just send you a PDF and you review that and then go home. More commonly you send them the PDF and then review what they send back to make sure it's ok and then you go home. Anyway, I think that's where that particular practice comes from. As far as billing when you're just waiting for a partner to mark up a document or for the other side to return comments I don't know where that practice comes from but it's definitely there. Ideally you're doing other work at the same time and generally there's something for you to do but not all the time and people don't usually stop billing because there was 45 minutes where they didn't have work to do. Think about it like travel time - you're not actually doing legal work during travel time but you still bill for it because the client needs you to go somewhere you wouldn't otherwise be. In this case the client needs you to stay at the office (or the partner is terrible at managing associates time but then the bill is really their problem anyway) rather than traveling to Manitoba but either way you're not getting to go home. Phil Moscowitz posted:For starters here is the firm liquor cabinet. Why is it on the bottom shelf? Do you have top shelf liquors too? HooKars posted:I'm in a smaller practice group where the bills are watched. There's some leeway but I can't turn my 10 hours of real billable time into the 16 hours of time I was actually in the office tonight (the last two of which I did absolutely nothing. At least I have bar studying that can get done while I sit around and wait).  Seriously, this is terrible. Sorry.
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why does anyone drink anything that isn't tequila?
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Baruch Obamawitz posted:why does anyone drink anything that isn't tequila? Because some of us are here legally. I kid! We love your tacos.
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Nov 16, 2010 16:50
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Baruch Obamawitz posted:why does anyone drink anything that isn't tequila? Because there is whiskey.
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Baruch Obamawitz posted:why does anyone drink anything that isn't tequila? Because tequila is for college students and cougars.
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Defleshed posted:Because tequila is for college students and cougars. Go look in the mirror. Look at how wrong you are. Look.
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Nov 16, 2010 19:52
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The Warszawa posted:Go look in the mirror. Look at how wrong you are. Look. Sorry there is only one liquor that is  enough for me as an attorney. It is Scotch, and single malt only; none of that blended garbage. You kids run along and pay with your tequila, us grown ups have serious drinking to do. It's the only way to forget what a terrible mistake we've made.
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Nov 16, 2010 20:11
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Adar posted:If you bring it up you deserve to die homeless and alone* It didn't come up  What did come up was my boner when I saw the six-foot tall wine rack in the room.
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Nov 16, 2010 20:38
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Defleshed posted:Sorry there is only one liquor that is Here here! The other night, I paid $17.50 for a Balvenie 15 year on the rocks. Did I flinch at the price? Of course not, I am a lawyer.
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entris posted:Of course not, I am a lawyer. Then you should learn that it's "Hear, hear!" 
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Nov 16, 2010 20:57
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Won 4 grand in a writing contest...was supposed to get the prize a month ago. I was told it was going to be sent out last week, didn't happen. Now the person is not responding to calls or emails. The journal is probably folding or something. Also I think I ran up about $3,999 in bar tabs since I found out. Don't go to law school, because even if you get money they take it away
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J Miracle posted:Won 4 grand in a writing contest...was supposed to get the prize a month ago. I was told it was going to be sent out last week, didn't happen. Now the person is not responding to calls or emails. Or don't spend your money before the check has cleared. 
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Nov 16, 2010 21:22
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Wyatt posted:Then you should learn that it's "Hear, hear!" NO. It's "here here" because I was indicating that I wanted Scotch at my current location.
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Nov 16, 2010 21:29
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J Miracle posted:Won 4 grand in a writing contest...was supposed to get the prize a month ago. I was told it was going to be sent out last week, didn't happen. Now the person is not responding to calls or emails. Use all those useful litigation skills they teach you in law school and sue their rear end.
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entris posted:NO. It's "here here" because I was indicating that I wanted Scotch at my current location. Carry on. 
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gently caress USCIS and their price increases. Every single one of my clients is pushing me to file before the 23rd to avoid the new fees.
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